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El_duderino
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ProgN said:

El_duderino said:

I agree about the 95% and I'm not one of those. I protest, but am losing ground with the exponential amount of houses now around me that are selling for stupid prices. I'm definitely interested in what you do
Read below what I wrote. I've had to argue that fact as well, and that's why you need to study the comps of similar houses in your area and what they sold for. The board will say that that's what they believe your house is worth, then tell them to write you a check! They've said to me that no one else in my similar comps protested their appraisals. My reply was, "it's not my fault that they're stupid".

I'm right there with you in the way you approach it. This year there's finally been some comparable homes sold, so I have ammo to work with.
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ProgN said:

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If you live in Texas, your tax rates have been coming down significantly for 4-5 years. So your total taxes paid shouldn't have really risen that much. Certainly not as much as your valuation would lead to believe. We also got the higher exemption amount of school taxes that went into effect last year.

Personally, since 2019, my house has doubled in price. My tax bill hs gone up 12.5%.

Who's paying the most is commercial real estate and people with investment properties and second homes. No exemptions. Most CRE is likely up 50% or more on tax bills since 2019.

Insurance on the other hand, that's the big one that is affecting EVERYONE. I'm up over 2x since 2019. 40% is the renewal notice I got for my next year. Going shopping, but not sure it will do much good considering I just had to put a claim in and put on a new roof from the derecho damage.
Although that is true, it doesn't matter and majority of homeowners flush a lot of money.

You should only have to pay property tax on the value of what you can list and sell your house for. Matter of fact, houses in my area dropped last year, so I was able to lower my tax liability from the year before because I fought it with a current appraisal because the county had to lower it to the value that I could list it for. This was also from a figure where they jumped it 20% from the previous year. No one wanted to write me a check, so they matched my appraised value to be done with me.
For sure. But that's subjective. While there's absolutely a combination of stupidity, corruption, and laziness in the appraisal valuations, every homeowner has the ability to not only protest, but to litigate their valuation. It's not the perfect system, but when you consider that many other states force an income tax, something that cant be argued or litigated against, and in most cases it's costing their residents more than what property taxes are causing ours, I'll stick with out system while voting for candidates attempting to improve on it.
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Yup, I'm sure those people will be bailed out by the government at some point. I started my career in Commercial Banking and saw way too much of this. All the sleazy businessmen, slum lords and EB5 visa folks with bogus tax returns/financials, six figure cars and levered to the gills. I left before covid hit, but I can guarantee those folks were the first in line for the bailouts. Those guys needed to fail and not be rewarded for being reckless.

I'm waiting for the wealth tax to come into play, then the government will take tax our assets more just because we saved. Then that data will be used to cut our social security benefits because we "made too much" or "own too much" when we just did what we were supposed to do. IF social security is still around by then.

I'm not all doom and gloom! We have the thread to keep us on track to help achieve our financial goals.
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El_duderino said:

ProgN said:

El_duderino said:

I agree about the 95% and I'm not one of those. I protest, but am losing ground with the exponential amount of houses now around me that are selling for stupid prices. I'm definitely interested in what you do
Read below what I wrote. I've had to argue that fact as well, and that's why you need to study the comps of similar houses in your area and what they sold for. The board will say that that's what they believe your house is worth, then tell them to write you a check! They've said to me that no one else in my similar comps protested their appraisals. My reply was, "it's not my fault that they're stupid".

I'm right there with you in the way you approach it. This year there's finally been some comparable homes sold, so I have ammo to work with.
It doesn't matter if any sold or not because a current appraisal will contain comps and what houses are listed for and sold the past 12 months. My appraisal costs about $500/yr but the county appraisal board can't overcome that argument.

Also, don't let them give you the 10% yearly increase because of homestead bull***** Stand your ground and call them out because you'll still be overpaying and tell them that when you get to their appraised value, then it's like magic because their value jumps again. Call them out on their bull**** and you win, it's really that simple.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

ProgN said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

If you live in Texas, your tax rates have been coming down significantly for 4-5 years. So your total taxes paid shouldn't have really risen that much. Certainly not as much as your valuation would lead to believe. We also got the higher exemption amount of school taxes that went into effect last year.

Personally, since 2019, my house has doubled in price. My tax bill hs gone up 12.5%.

Who's paying the most is commercial real estate and people with investment properties and second homes. No exemptions. Most CRE is likely up 50% or more on tax bills since 2019.

Insurance on the other hand, that's the big one that is affecting EVERYONE. I'm up over 2x since 2019. 40% is the renewal notice I got for my next year. Going shopping, but not sure it will do much good considering I just had to put a claim in and put on a new roof from the derecho damage.
Although that is true, it doesn't matter and majority of homeowners flush a lot of money.

You should only have to pay property tax on the value of what you can list and sell your house for. Matter of fact, houses in my area dropped last year, so I was able to lower my tax liability from the year before because I fought it with a current appraisal because the county had to lower it to the value that I could list it for. This was also from a figure where they jumped it 20% from the previous year. No one wanted to write me a check, so they matched my appraised value to be done with me.
For sure. But that's subjective. While there's absolutely a combination of stupidity, corruption, and laziness in the appraisal valuations, every homeowner has the ability to not only protest, but to litigate their valuation. It's not the perfect system, but when you consider that many other states force an income tax, something that cant be argued or litigated against, and in most cases it's costing their residents more than what property taxes are causing ours, I'll stick with out system while voting for candidates attempting to improve on it.

You don't need to litigate it, you need to prove it, that's why I get a current appraisal. The county board gets the budgets of the local government, ISD's, etc. before they send out appraisal. Once they get those figures, the appraisal district is told to go out and get the money. That is why appraisal jump so much. Like I said, I don't mind paying for what I sell my house for, but I will not overpay to meet bloated ISDs and local governments.
Heineken-Ashi
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Regarding getting below the 10%.. Not always. My market value is actually in line with the comps. But the 10% cap in appraised value is $30k below it. There's no argument in any world where I can slash another $30k off my market value. And I used the leading tax protesting firm in the state. they've tried. And I used to work in appraisal. The market value is not only fair, but even a little lower than what I could support if I was trying to justify someone paying a higher price. Tax consultant does great work. Every situation is unique. There's not one mold for all people. Glad yours works for you.
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Finally! I can contribute to this thread instead of just feed off y'all's hard work and research!

I'm actually a property tax consultant! I focus on commercial but have experience with residential. Have y'all heard of binding arbitration? Some of this advice is county specific but in most of DFW, for example, I'd recommend what's called a "topline" or "joint motion" on whatever offer the district gives you when you file protest. After that, file binding arbitration. It costs around $500 but you tend to get a way better settlement than most people would achieve at a normal board hearing. If it looks like it's going nowhere or if you find out you really don't have a good case, withdraw your arbitration in your 45-day settlement period and get your $500 back. If you get an offer your like, in the settlement period, accept it, withdraw your arbitration and get your $500 back. If you think you have a good case and you still don't get a good offer, take it to the arbiter. If they rule closer to your number than the disctrict's number, you get your $500 back less $50.

Edit: I'm seeing a lot of focus on market value in this discussion. I'd encourage everyone to read the taxpayer remedy in the tax code regarding equal and uniform! Basically you need to be assessed equally to your neighbor regardless of the fair market value of your home. The code is intentionally vague and allows you to select a "reasonable number of comparable properties, appropriately adjusted". And this isn't related to what they would sell for, it's related to how and what they are assessed at on a per SF basis. You can see how there would be some good room to work with there.
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Ha. Yeah, finally I can contribute. I started jubally.com many many years ago. It's a do it yourself property tax protest business similar to turbo tax. We primarily only serve Harris but have done many other counties in the past. Next spring reach out and my fellow stock thread people can get a 50% discount from me.
permabull
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New ATH for my account balance today and crossed another 100k boundary. Good way to start the weekend
Brian Earl Spilner
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Nice. ATH for me as well, and not quite at a new 100k marker quite yet, but quickly approaching. Amazing how much faster they each come, especially after the first one.
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EnronAg said:

just in my 40's so not as seasoned or experienced as some of you...but has anyone seen a more impressive market than what we have now...nothing holds it back...bad economic data, ignores it...geopolitical conflicts, don't care...every dip is bought voraciously...this trajectory is just amazing to me since 2 years ago...I, personally, have never seen anything so strong...can someone give a time period that matches or surpasses this time we are in??
SPY up 41% from 1 year ago. I'd say that's pretty pretty pretty good. My jaw already dropped open 4 months ago, and it hasn't closed yet.
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Cru said:

Ha. Yeah, finally I can contribute. I started jubally.com many many years ago. It's a do it yourself property tax protest business similar to turbo tax. We primarily only serve Harris but have done many other counties in the past. Next spring reach out and my fellow stock thread people can get a 50% discount from me.
Perfect! Use Cru's report for your binding arb lol
MasonRamsay
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Sounds about right
agdaddy04
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Heineken-Ashi said:

TTUArmy said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/super-micro-computer-says-shipping-111500808.html


All the good they are doing can't be fully appreciated until they get their accounting issues sorted out. Personally, I still believe there is something to the Hindenburg case. And, I don't think it affects SMCI alone. I think there are some other large company fingerprints in the their books which would devastate the entire AI market.
NVDA. Hands in each others cookie jars. Rumor is that SMCI can't follow through on Blackwell orders due to their accounts being falsely bloated, and they are 25% of all future orders.

Do I need to be unloading NVDA? I've held for a few years now but seems like that capital should probably be placed elsewhere.
Heineken-Ashi
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This week was almost a perfect double top. If it was going to sell off, it pretty much can't see any higher.

Based on everything I look at though, the current structure moving up off the Sep low doesn't show anything immediately bearish. I think a safe stop level right now is $129. A break of that, and the most bullish outlook turns murky at best and opens up a lot of bearish or sideways possibilities. The bullish path is actually structured nicely and is pointing to $150 at the lowest.. and that could even come with a break of $129.. to $170 at the higher end. The lowest you can have your stop to protect from a massive selloff looks to be $112 area, as below that and there are very few support levels left and QQQ is probably tanking.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Nice. ATH for me as well, and not quite at a new 100k marker quite yet, but quickly approaching. Amazing how much faster they each come, especially after the first one.


Yeah the first 100k was the hardest
Heineken-Ashi
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Changing it up tonight. 2020 Tempranillo from Slate Theory in Fredricksburg.
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I just tuned into this UT/GA disaster. Initial reaction…


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Brian Earl Spilner
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Sorry to the gentleman who suggested we wanted Texas to win.

El_duderino
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gougler08
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Sorry to the gentleman who suggested we wanted Texas to win.




Refs are helping their cause
Chef Elko
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Silver rippy rippy
Brian Earl Spilner
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Why the sudden drop in pre?
BucketofBalls99
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SOXS?
Chef Elko
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-21/s-p-500-s-decade-of-big-gains-is-over-goldman-strategists-say?srnd=homepage-americas&sref=HuYPILpU

Not saying they are correct, but this is in line with what some of us fear may happen.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Read that earlier. I'm seeing more and more of these, but 3% annual over the next decade? Not sure I see that.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Well that was a good buy opportunity this morning.
gougler08
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Trimming some BLDE and ZIM as my first alert levels triggered
Chef Elko
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Pretty catastrophic for pretty much everyone if we have 3% returns. I don't think we will ever fully hear their rationale unless some of you guys are institutional investors or Goldman clients.
Heineken-Ashi
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3% annual could also mean a massive drop and a 10 year recovery that annualizes 3% over 10 years. There's not really a scenario in the stagflationary times we are in that the market merely rises 3% a year for 10 years.
El_duderino
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True. Thats coming from the same GS that just raised their 2025 target to 6300 which implies 10% upside from the current level when they issued it a couple weeks ago
AgEng06
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Anyone have any news on why our favorite graphite company is ticking up this morning?
Talon2DSO
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WWR!!!
Heineken-Ashi
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AgEng06 said:

Anyone have any news on why our favorite graphite company is ticking up this morning?
They found a bag on nickels when digging up a soil sample for the mine. Worth about 5 cents a share.
El_duderino
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Need to see SMCI break and close over $50 with good volume today
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