And btw, stop worrying about paying for higher education..it'll be free by the time my kids get there.

Bitcoin passes $60,000.

Bodes well for EBON.

$30,000 Millionaire said:

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Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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Mine are 9 and 5. I'm figuring 150K min but probably more like 200K.

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To clarify, just for the school part.

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College costs are so crazy now. I remember the days (dating myself tremendously) when you could do 4 years at A&M with tuition, fees, books, spirals, pens, pencils for less than $5000 - for the WHOLE 4 years!

My kid is absolutely going to learn a skilled trade. The ROI on college isn't there anymore for most degrees. I don't think my kid is doctor/engineer material. He's better off being a plumber.

And that coming from Dad with a PhD.

McInnis 03 said:

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And btw, stop worrying about paying for higher education..it'll be free by the time my kids get there.

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'Free' will come via paper cutting every single person on this threads net income to death. One trade at a time.

McInnis 03 said:

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And btw, stop worrying about paying for higher education..it'll be free by the time my kids get there.

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you know what, I know some of you won't agree with "free" higher education, but I will lay out some thoughts on why it may be in the national interest to do so for select types of education (e.g. computer science).

1) we are already comfortable, overall, with taxpayer funded K-12. I know some of what they teach is repugnant, but in general, most of us survived that environment and we think for ourselves as adults

2) The US economy is an innovation based economy. Investing in developing our talent vs. importing it through visas is a good way to develop our talent and keep our lead, which is ultimately critical

3) the world is changing and the superpowers will also have intense software and technology development skills in addition to manufacturing and other military capabilities. Quick sidebar, most of you are not frightened enough about data collection, AI and machine learning. I find it sort of ironic that the government wants you to wear a mask right now because in the very near future, you may want to wear a mask to distort computer vision recognizing you, and the government likely seeks to ban appearance altering devices. It will all be good until a cop or a robot walks up to you and says "hello mr. so and so, you are under arrest because you bought .223 ammo last week and we need to ask you some questions".

4) foreign nationals are coming here, being trained in our schools / companies, and they're stealing our IP for the benefit of China and Russia

5) there is a tangible economic output benefit tied to this use of taxpayer funds vs. the entitlement programs that don't encourage anyone to work. I'd much rather have this than UBI.

6) there are not enough skilled americans in computer science

$30,000 Millionaire said:

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to better clarify my position, I loathe taxes as much as any of you. They're necessary, I would rather see them applied to helping people be self sufficient than perpetuating the entitlement state we're screaming towards.

I do not support this as an "and", but rather as a trade against the ever growing entitlement balloon. I'm personally funding the healthcare of lots of grandmas. I'd rather the grandmas covered their costs themselves.

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I get what you are saying but "free" college will be inaccessible to white males and they will end up paying 100x more if they want a degree.

punishing one group of the population doesn't really achieve anything. It's either fair, equal access, or it's more BS propaganda.

The great irony of the college tuition issue is that academics make tons of money drowning 18-22 year olds in debt, and then claim to have the moral high ground on every single political issue.

Corporations that you voluntarily buy things from are evil, colleges that require you to take on debt you'll never be able to pay off are the epitome of righteousness.

Reminds me of my round table with Cathie and Mark Hurd... China's 5 year plan is one sentence.

"Win the AI War!"

If they do, they will OWN us. Nothing personal, but you leftists (and I know there are a handful on this thread) really want to destroy freedom across the world with your voting habits. It's disgusting, and I say that as a political nomad (Republicans Don't represent or act in my best interests either).

I assume if he wants something else he can pay for it himself.

I might open a restaurant

Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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Reminds me of my round table with Cathie and Mark Hurd... China's 5 year plan is one sentence.

"Win the AI War!"

If they do, they will OWN us. Nothing personal, but you leftists (and I know there are a handful on this thread) really want to destroy freedom across the world with your voting habits. It's disgusting, and I say that as a political nomad (Republicans Don't represent or act in my best interests either).

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I don't think they are creative enough. Every Chinese person I have come across in my engineering career had zero problem solving skills. They could calculate anything but they needed to know the sequence first.

They don't need to be creative when they don't have any ethics or values.

The Chinese will steal steal steal and recreate.

They are leaches.

Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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They don't need to be creative when they don't have any ethics or values.

The Chinese will steal steal steal and recreate.

They are leaches.

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that is very very true

$30,000 Millionaire said:

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McInnis 03 said:

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And btw, stop worrying about paying for higher education..it'll be free by the time my kids get there.

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you know what, I know some of you won't agree with "free" higher education, but I will lay out some thoughts on why it may be in the national interest to do so for select types of education (e.g. computer science).

1) we are already comfortable, overall, with taxpayer funded K-12. I know some of what they teach is repugnant, but in general, most of us survived that environment and we think for ourselves as adults

2) The US economy is an innovation based economy. Investing in developing our talent vs. importing it through visas is a good way to develop our talent and keep our lead, which is ultimately critical

3) the world is changing and the superpowers will also have intense software and technology development skills in addition to manufacturing and other military capabilities. Quick sidebar, most of you are not frightened enough about data collection, AI and machine learning. I find it sort of ironic that the government wants you to wear a mask right now because in the very near future, you may want to wear a mask to distort computer vision recognizing you, and the government likely seeks to ban appearance altering devices. It will all be good until a cop or a robot walks up to you and says "hello mr. so and so, you are under arrest because you bought .223 ammo last week and we need to ask you some questions".

4) foreign nationals are coming here, being trained in our schools / companies, and they're stealing our IP for the benefit of China and Russia

5) there is a tangible economic output benefit tied to this use of taxpayer funds vs. the entitlement programs that don't encourage anyone to work. I'd much rather have this than UBI.

6) there are not enough skilled americans in computer science

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No. Get the government out of all education. The end.

Y'all getting too serious. Humour, you need.

And single malt... much better than bourbon tbh

I'm saving for college for our kids, but I will be very honest that it will not be handed to them. The best thing my parents every taught us was to earn your keep. Could my parents afford things I wanted? Sure, but I had to earn it instead. Don't get me wrong... I was very blessed by my family and still feel I was spoiled in a lot of respects... but I took pride in working and saving money.

My first job was 15 at a nursery loading mulch and sod in Houston... hot as hell during the summer. First real job started with my grandpa when I was 9 hauling scrap metal in the summers and learning how to put "hair on my chest" doing big boy things with hard work.

Worked at restaurants, bars, and country clubs from 16 all the way through my 2nd masters. I pulled a van wilder and got 2 masters knocked out right after my undergrad. So I was in college station for 7 years.

Never went one day in college without carrying 2 jobs and full time student hours. Parents paid for some college but I was able to cover a decent amount by the time I got out of school. I had student loans and paid them off. I don't support paying student loans off for others or funding higher education in the future for free. Should there be reform in higher education and the costs... absolutely. At the end of the day... You want something... go earn it. If you're lucky, you have parents that helped you along the way financially or with good old fashioned determination to achieve a goal.

I had friends that blew through student loans partying and buying stupid **** they didn't need in school... shocker none of them ever wanted to go work and learn the value of paying for things as they go. I want our country to produce the brightest minds for the future but I don't know if free college is going to help anyone.

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Y'all getting too serious. Humour, you need.

And single malt... much better than bourbon tbh

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My last comment was made while sipping on Bruichladdich Classic Laddie. Scotch makes me hate the government even more than I already do.

You shut your ***** mouth. Bourbon is the nectar of all!

Mostly Foggy Recollection said:

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You shut your ***** mouth. Bourbon is the nectar of all!

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Hey i like bourbon alright. Guess we're just gonna have to tour the highlands and Kentucky to discover the truth.