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khkman22 said:

Does Tasty Works have a "play" account where you can practice strategies before fully implementing them with real money?

Also, is the Bob the Trader promotion still active if you fund your account now?
paper trading---They don't and it's with intention. You can find other paper trading online to test strategies but honestly you really learn when it's real and in the "fire".

Remember with options you don't have to be exposed, verticals and iron condors are great ways to start without risking that much cash. One of the many nice things about tastyworks is that their revolutionarily low rate structure allows you to use and experiment with various multi-leg strategies on the cheap (big part of the reason tastytrade got back on the brokerage side, so people could easier/cheaply put into practice what is preached, trade small/trade often and get the number of occurances up for probability to shake out as they should).

Anyways it gets you sound of concept and you actually learn to manage things when the money is real, not just some goofy trades you put on with zero risk or managed without any actual reprecussion (no matter how much we may tell ourselves I'll trade this like it's an actual account). Half the game, actually more I'd say, is eliminating emotion, being mechanical and learning to manage both ends of fear and greed. The skillset will come and you don't have to risk much to develop it. Then in time you'll learn to fully take advantage of the edge options gives you from a probability stand point.

Bob the Trader (for those that don't know pretty cool feature especially for new traders where you can get trade ideas by looking at their teams actual trades and if you want they even have a button where you can with one push have the actual trade ready to go, either tweak it to your specs or just hit confirm/send and put it through). It has been extended I believe b/c the CME has really been making it take longer than it should for them to have futures available. Not sure if you needed to have your acct. setup but a certain date or not. Just say you were waiting to fund your account until futures were up and running and I'd almost guarantee they'd set you up with it. At least set up your account, and then you can fund it later. Call them and ask they are very helpful and sincerely the whole point they got back into the brokerage side of the game is for the retail trader. Just look at their fee structure vs. others for proof of that if nothing else (and there is a lot else). If they don't have access you can go one step further and email Tom Sosnoff the main guy at tastytrade (I'd link you his email but I'm on a houesboat in Arkansas and internet is spotty, having hell just getting onto texags not to mention I get jumpy whenever I hear a banjo ) and he'll likely tell them to set you up with Bob. (he helped me get my commissions reduced at TD Ameritrade back in the day b/c he hired the guy that was in charge of that when he ran thinkorswim (which TDA aquired from them later for about $600million).


If you do go through them please go through my link. I've been learning from and interacting with these guys since 2012. They are legit good people, never have asked for a dime for all of that education and personal responses (the tastytrade guys as policy answer every email personally since day one, they just ask you keep it brief).

https://start.tastyworks.com/#/login?referralCode=75H99Q6WEV
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Ok, bought SN @ 5.94. I'll be out below 5.74.
IrishTxAggie
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I was in around $6.50... Not happy right now...
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Just jumped back into Home Depot at $144.80. P/E ratio is right at 20x which given the average earnings beat they have been experiencing lately is a bargain. They took a beating this last week simply for Amazon listing Kenmore appliances, which aren't sold in Home Depot (or Lowes) stores. I am expecting a quick 5% pop between now and Labor Day which includes an earnings release on August 15.
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Chipotle Norovirus

Sure hope none of y'all are in this one right now. They just can't quit tripping over their own shadow. With their earnings coming out tomorrow, it should be interesting.
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Got in on HD as well but starting to think LOW is a bargain now too.
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Don't worry, I got you one step closer to that Tesla last week and I got the promotion for Bob the Trader, which supposedly is not going to be extended after the end of this month, according to my chat with Mike.
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I haven't had time to watch and learn too much more than the basics I already knew, but I decided to jump in with an AMD 8/4 short put vertical spread of $12/$13 last Friday. About even right now and hoped that there would be some bullish movement before earnings today that would allow for a quick profit and I could exit prior to earnings.

While there has been a little increase in price, it hasn't done much to the price of the options. I expected more time decay, but I guess more of the pricing is a result of earnings volatility than I would have thought. I believe my break even price is $12.70, so if there is a slight movement upward today, I'm debating the possibility of the AMD dropping 10%+ with negative news during earnings.

My POP is currently 68% and that's about where it was initially, so I still feel pretty good overall.
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One Tooth Man said:

Anyone else's platform stopped permitting shorting on CRC and SN?
a lot of buying it seems on CRC today
Ronyaria
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It is a great thread here, thank you guys a lot for it! I am going to try out some stock trading too along with options trading. I guess it is a very nice and interesting way to earn some extra income. Hope I will succeed in it
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SN around $5.75... is the start of the falling knife and barrier broken or a great short term buy opportunity?
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Ronyaria said:

It is a great thread here, thank you guys a lot for it! I am going to try out some stock trading too along with options trading. I guess it is a very nice and interestng way to earn some extra income. Hope I will succeed in it
good to hear you are benefitting from it

nothing says you can't mix both, check out the covered call strategy covered extensively on here

sell 1 call against every +100 shares of stock...limits upside but gives you some probability edge (vs. your literal 50/50 stock scenario) and gives more cushion on your downside vs. having nothing against the stock

if the stock shoots up great, winner winner chicken dinner, if it stays flat or falls you collect on the call and lower the cost basis of your stock entry ...rinse and repeat for a few cycles and you can significantly lower your basis on your stock....I would recommend a more liquid underlying so you can get a fairer price on your call allowing you better entry and to exit easier/earlier/at a fairer price on your call if/when that presents itself

the commissions schedule of tastyworks is really nice and makes it much easier to play/expirement with the various multi-leg strategies on the cheap


https://start.tastyworks.com/#/login?referralCode=75H99Q6WEV
khkman22
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Closed out my vertical spread on AMD for more than max profit at entry. Was able to buy back my $13 put for $.01 and somebody actually paid $.03 for my $12 put. Overall, even though it was more than max profit, it was a small gain, but that's all I'm really looking for at this point. Primarily high probability trades that can hopefully gradually build my portfolio balance.

Went ahead and stayed with AMD and an 8/25, $13/$17 short strangle. With earnings just released, I figure it should be somewhat range bound.
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SN is dead. Thankfully got out
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khkman22 said:

Don't worry, I got you one step closer to that Tesla last week and I got the promotion for Bob the Trader, which supposedly is not going to be extended after the end of this month, according to my chat with Mike.
cool

thx for the info
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Got out at 5.86
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AggieMainland said:

SN is dead. Thankfully got out
Yeah, it's definitely scary. The jump on Tuesday looks like a head fake.
Joseph Parrish
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So on to a more postiive note, how many people are betting on Apple to get a boost when the new iphone gets released?
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Joseph Parrish said:

So on to a more postiive note, how many people are betting on Apple to get a boost when the new iphone gets released?
I was thinking it may have a pullback depending on the rumors of the delays in production for possibly all new versions. I have seen several rumors that the 8 is having delays, but also saw at least one that the 7S version (if they are releasing a more "pro" model phone) is also having delays so initial production and availability would be lower. I expect their earnings to beat like always, but if they give forward guidance that has these new production issues factored in, it could be enough to offset their earnings.
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I believe that AAPL's revenue stream for the future won't necessarily be driven by revolutionary products, but by the fact that they are now providing financing for everyone who shouldn't be buying $800 phones to be able to buy $800 phones.

They're the size of a small country's GDP and now they'll be collecting financing charges on top of all their sales revenue. Good for their bottom line!
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I also read somewhere the expected price for the iPhone 8 is $1200(!!!)
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redsox34 said:

I also read somewhere the expected price for the iPhone 8 is $1200(!!!)
Now that buyers can finance the phong over 24-36 months anywhere, there was a lot of room to increase price. Everywhere I have been says the finance is interest free, but since we know that isn't the case, I wonder how much interest is baked into that price.
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MO, huge dip today
leoj
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Yep. Congrats to anyone who got it at 61
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leoj said:

Yep. Congrats to anyone who got it at 61
Thanks for the heads up. Sold off a little more than half a couple months ago in my IRA around $73.30. Got back in just under $66 today.
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aggiemetal said:

khkman22 said:

Don't worry, I got you one step closer to that Tesla last week and I got the promotion for Bob the Trader, which supposedly is not going to be extended after the end of this month, according to my chat with Mike.
cool

thx for the info
Hey I emailed Tom Sosnoff about an hour ago and he already got back to me. Customer service is amazing when a CEO not only gets back to you but within the hour. CME has been the hold up in getting futures running.

Anyways:
Thanks Jeffrey Yes, we will extend the offer on Bob since we don't have futures up and running. It isn't our customers' fault we're so late in getting futures up, so we will be extending the offer

Tom

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best commissions, best customer service (see above and that's just one of many times I've hit up Tom or Tony from tastytrade for advice or help and as policy they answer every email), by far the best broker for looking out for the retail trader vs bending them over and looking at them as basically just $ signs (I like TD Ameritrade's thinkorswim platform but they suck on commission and I obviously don't like them nearly as much as I like saving about a minimum of 60% on my commissions overhead)...you trade options a lot, you owe it to yourself of cutting down your fees

Again for those not in the know on "Bob" basically as a matter of full transparency and a great tool for traders (especially those new to options or those looking for trade ideas),
Bob The Trader:
+shows you all the trades of selected traders under the tastytrade umbrella, where you can actually hit a button to duplicate or do that and then tweak it to your comfort level (it's cool they use various members of the team and a few outsiders so you can sell all of them or find one that find one that matches your style and risk tolerance)
+allows you to see the process and approach of options traders with various strategies
+allows you to see how they manage and roll those trades when things go for/against
+trade ideas and or finding stocks that have some volatility


I'm not selling for referral points (though it's nice to have), but tastytrade and tastyworks are life changing/game changers if you utilize them...I went from being miserable as a teacher to a full time trader (making a living at my hobby) touring the country with my family full time in an RV...literal life changing stuff, full access communication when I've needed it since 2012, and they've asked $0.00 for all of it, in all that time...just my way of paying it forward to them and hopefully pay forward to you guys starting out or trying to put the probability edge options afford, to use to find a more consistently successful approach in learn to be a good self directed investor

https://start.tastyworks.com/#/login?referralCode=75H99Q6WEV
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Really wanted to take a small bearish position in AAPL, but didn't see a trade I really liked risk/reward wise. I expect they fall at least a little due to their forward guidance. Guess we'll find out.
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Now I'm wishing I would have bought more Apple stocks.
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Bonfire 1996 said:

Just jumped back into Home Depot at $144.80. P/E ratio is right at 20x which given the average earnings beat they have been experiencing lately is a bargain. They took a beating this last week simply for Amazon listing Kenmore appliances, which aren't sold in Home Depot (or Lowes) stores. I am expecting a quick 5% pop between now and Labor Day which includes an earnings release on August 15.
This has been nice. Up a little over 5% in under a month. Earnings are a week from today and they should pop. I might sell ahead of earnings as a beat is already priced in.
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Sold MELI for a small loss and flipped it into AAPL to add to shares already purchased.

MELI was a great growth stock, but it now really concerns me. Their entry into free shipping made the ops exp explode. They were the more profitable version of Amazon in Latin America, but now they are just a poor man's Amazon......in Latin America. Taking into account the political instability and MELI's insistence in investing in Venezuela and then taking the hit with currency devaluations isn't good business. Venezuela won't be the last socialist experiment to damage MELI's bottom line. And with such a high P/E, they need to be able to take profits where they can to justify such a high multiple, not just write them off to political instability.
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Thanks for your thoughts on MELI bonfire. It's been on my shopping list but the stock hasn't been acting well and I didn't know why until your post. Poor management is impossible to overcome.
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good day (as the regulars here can tell I usually only post when the market is giving me something good for my style)

finally got a lit bit of Vol uptick this afternoon, luckily got a few nice scalps on the way down (not typically my game but the market just felt heavy as it was hitting new highs today)

was kind of getting that feel before Trump made his "don't eff with the US" barb to North Korea but that probably helped exacerbate that little liquidation break this afternoon LOL

anyways, was already thinking tomorrow might be an interesting day and hopefully a little more Vol spike but now it's definitely got that "grab your popcorn" feel (not news related, that'd be a short lived one off, but the market has been in extreme balance and todays look above and fail just adds to the sense that we might be in for a little corrective action, not neccesarily a huge correction but an opportunity creating down move)....as a premium seller I'll be dialed in closer than normal (if that's possible" overnight and tomorrow...I took a small nibble in short /ES puts on today's Vol bump but keeping plenty of powder dry if we get some much needed continuation

the aforementioned scalps also afforded me buying some puts net free to cover my arse on any bigger than expected move down (I don't really do scalps to make cash, more for hedging against my short puts and in cases like this where I can apply winnings towards net free insurance essentialy)
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for any of you guys on the sideline who've been learning and waiting to get rolling, you can set up your tastyworks account quick (no convoluted 5 page application) quick 5 minutes or so and you're good to go
tastyworks account opening link

have it funded (small $$$ as you want) and ready...by far lowest commissions (minimum 60% reduction in commission vs. my rates which are already reduced at TD Ameritrade), as well as fastest and most user friendly platform, plus a ton of other benefits I've detailed on here...this is a whole hearted endorsement as these guys afforded this Aggie a chance to drop out of the rat race and a teaching career I was desperate to flee, and make a living each day at my biggest passion in life (next to Aggie Football)

as I've detailed in countless pages on this thread, options afford you a variation of risk to your comfort level, greatly reduced capital requirement and a huge probability edge (vs stocks required buying power and their 50/50 gambit) ...my starting probability point is always about 95% (allowing a two standard deviation move) chance of at least breaking even (try finding those odds in vegas, and certainly not in buying/shorting stock)

anyways sign up and fund it, and I'll be happy to share my strategy and point you in the direction of others to get you going
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What would you suggest as a minimum beginning balance?
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Anybody know the easiest way to invest in the VIX? Had been thinking about it recently - all time lows, budget/funding in congress, now North Korea.
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bjh19 said:

Anybody know the easiest way to invest in the VIX? Had been thinking about it recently - all time lows, budget/funding in congress, now North Korea.



The easiest way to do it would probably be to buy VXX, but that's not something I would recommend. Volatility is not really an investment.

The best way would probably be some type of options strategy, like a short put vertical spread for instance.
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