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gougler08 said:

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MAROON said:

its sort of bad and good. They are doing this because international travel #'s have exploded and they don't have the staff to keep up.

If you do have to go to LHR, try to get one of the evening flights like United Flt 5 that arrives around 11:30am to LHR. Last month we were meeting folks and they were all on the more typical 7:30am arrivals and they experienced horrible lines clearing immigration while we were through in about 10 minutes.


Immigration line looked fine but the connecting line was horrible, I think it's just a crap shoot


Been trying to get home for 2 days. They put us up in Heathrow overnight. Lines were over 4 hours. Same the prior day in Amsterdam. Today landed in Miami, missed our connection. Customs and airlines at fault. About to board in the next 30….hopefully.
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small injection on natty. If Freeport didnt go down we would be well over $10 with this heat.
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Comeby! said:

gougler08 said:

AgCPA95 said:

MAROON said:

its sort of bad and good. They are doing this because international travel #'s have exploded and they don't have the staff to keep up.

If you do have to go to LHR, try to get one of the evening flights like United Flt 5 that arrives around 11:30am to LHR. Last month we were meeting folks and they were all on the more typical 7:30am arrivals and they experienced horrible lines clearing immigration while we were through in about 10 minutes.


Immigration line looked fine but the connecting line was horrible, I think it's just a crap shoot


Been trying to get home for 2 days. They put us up in Heathrow overnight. Lines were over 4 hours. Same the prior day in Amsterdam. Today landed in Miami, missed our connection. Customs and airlines at fault. About to board in the next 30….hopefully.
Which lines were over 4 hours? Immigration? Security?
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Fredd said:

Anyone hearing any smoke on Pioneer/Diamondback?
Did Sheffield tell his employees in a town hall that Pioneer wasn't actively looking at any additional M&A activity unless Diamondback came up for sale? That's one rumor I heard this morning, that he explicitly said they would like to acquire FANG.
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MAROON said:

Comeby! said:

gougler08 said:

AgCPA95 said:

MAROON said:

its sort of bad and good. They are doing this because international travel #'s have exploded and they don't have the staff to keep up.

If you do have to go to LHR, try to get one of the evening flights like United Flt 5 that arrives around 11:30am to LHR. Last month we were meeting folks and they were all on the more typical 7:30am arrivals and they experienced horrible lines clearing immigration while we were through in about 10 minutes.


Immigration line looked fine but the connecting line was horrible, I think it's just a crap shoot


Been trying to get home for 2 days. They put us up in Heathrow overnight. Lines were over 4 hours. Same the prior day in Amsterdam. Today landed in Miami, missed our connection. Customs and airlines at fault. About to board in the next 30….hopefully.
Which lines were over 4 hours? Immigration? Security?
Security was the bottleneck as I came through the first time...2nd time was no issue but it was 7am on a Tuesday. Customs in Heathrow was a breeze with the electronic passport piece, we didn't even speak to anyone
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No mention of FANG or any other company. He has said we are not looking for M&A opps. But what else is he gonna say? Doesn't mean a thing.
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Oh I know. Every CEO always says they're not actively looking and then a month later they'll announce a new acquisition. I was just curious if he actually singled out FANG like I heard. It didn't seem like something you would just put out to your employees, and figured someone here would know for sure.
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I've heard rumors that people think Halliburton will be the number 2 or 3 frac provider in the us by the end of the year. People don't think profrac is done, also think NexTier is looking….
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MAROON said:

Comeby! said:

gougler08 said:

AgCPA95 said:

MAROON said:

its sort of bad and good. They are doing this because international travel #'s have exploded and they don't have the staff to keep up.

If you do have to go to LHR, try to get one of the evening flights like United Flt 5 that arrives around 11:30am to LHR. Last month we were meeting folks and they were all on the more typical 7:30am arrivals and they experienced horrible lines clearing immigration while we were through in about 10 minutes.


Immigration line looked fine but the connecting line was horrible, I think it's just a crap shoot


Been trying to get home for 2 days. They put us up in Heathrow overnight. Lines were over 4 hours. Same the prior day in Amsterdam. Today landed in Miami, missed our connection. Customs and airlines at fault. About to board in the next 30….hopefully.
Which lines were over 4 hours? Immigration? Security?


Security in Amsterdam, both in Heathrow on a connection, immigration in Miami.
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Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits
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Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits

That tells me very little. What is the period they're comparing it to? Profits were historically terrible in the starting point. What was the sales volume? What is the margin?

Market prices reflect customer demand as well as replacement costs if the demand can bear it. Not to mention volume increases are reflected in the total dollar margin. There has been a massive uptick in replacement costs (from product costs to operational costs like wages to overhead costs like property taxes) than can have a levered effect when you're only looking at total $ margin. You are making a product that costs you $40 to make and you sell it for $45 because the market is tight getting out of COVID shut downs, and you only sell 100 because it's a soft market. Profit of $500. It costs you $50 to make at replacement costs, so you sell your current inventory at $60 to reflect it and you sell out of the 200 units in your inventory you built at the lower cost. Profit of $2000. ZOMG 400% increase in profits.

Look at profit margins and look at it over the longer term so you can actually evaluate if they are taking absurd profits or if they are simply riding a normal cycle that is slightly more pronounced because of our economic blunders?
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Crack spreads are coming in from levels well outside of what anyone calls/considers normal.
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Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits


There's a shortage of refining capacity after Russia invaded Ukraine. There needs to be an incentive for refineries to run at max capacity and yield shift towards more diesel production and that's what these crack margins are - a market incentive.

What's really happening is that Europe crack margins (if you include opex from high natural gas prices) aren't nearly as great. They are not buying Russian diesel, so they are buying everything that moves from the US. At the same time, US demand for distillates has been very strong and we lost some refining capacity during COVID/hurricane season. Furthermore, VGO exports from Russia helped support high diesel yields and those are now gone. As a result, there is a global shortage of crude to mostly diesel conversion and that's what is driving the margins. The optimization of diesel yield is resulting in a shortage of gasoline. It's not price fixing, it's competition for supply driving this pricing. Market forces will correct things and we're already seeing the market work to address gasoline supply. Refinery utilization in the US is at VERY high levels, and I have first hand knowledge that decisions are being made to keep taking these great margins as efficiently as possible - the solution to these high margins on the supply side is to incintivize this behavior.

In the past month refining margins have started to come off, but they may still settle at unnatural highs... That depends on demand resiliency, continued rejection of Russian supply, natural gas prices and supply in Europe, etc.

Point is, people need to understand the market, how it works, and why, before they ***** about "price gouging". If you fundamentally have no clue what is happening your opinion is just a fart in the wind.
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Gordo14 said:

Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits


There's a shortage of refining capacity after Russia invaded Ukraine. There needs to be an incentive for refineries to run at max capacity and yield shift towards more diesel production and that's what these crack margins are - a market incentive.

What's really happening is that Europe crack margins (if you include opex from high natural gas prices) aren't nearly as great. They are not buying Russian diesel, so they are buying everything that moves from the US. At the same time, US demand for distillates has been very strong and we lost some refining capacity during COVID/hurricane season. Furthermore, VGO exports from Russia helped support high diesel yields and those are now gone. As a result, there is a global shortage of crude to mostly diesel conversion and that's what is driving the margins. The optimization of diesel yield is resulting in a shortage of gasoline. It's not price fixing, it's competition for supply driving this pricing. Market forces will correct things and we're already seeing the market work to address gasoline supply. Refinery utilization in the US is at VERY high levels, and I have first hand knowledge that decisions are being made to keep taking these great margins as efficiently as possible - the solution to these high margins on the supply side is to incintivize this behavior.

In the past month refining margins have started to come off, but they may still settle at unnatural highs... That depends on demand resiliency, continued rejection of Russian supply, natural gas prices and supply in Europe, etc.

Point is, people need to understand the market, how it works, and why, before they ***** about "price gouging". If you fundamentally have no clue what is happening your opinion is just a fart in the wind.
None of this will matter to the average American, unfortunately. If the refineries have 6x profits and it can't be explained by tiny profits in the base period (year, quarter whatever), the entire oil and gas industry is going to get negative press.

Of course, the industry probably would get negative press even if profits were down and probably would if profits were exactly flat.
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topher06 said:

Gordo14 said:

Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits


There's a shortage of refining capacity after Russia invaded Ukraine. There needs to be an incentive for refineries to run at max capacity and yield shift towards more diesel production and that's what these crack margins are - a market incentive.

What's really happening is that Europe crack margins (if you include opex from high natural gas prices) aren't nearly as great. They are not buying Russian diesel, so they are buying everything that moves from the US. At the same time, US demand for distillates has been very strong and we lost some refining capacity during COVID/hurricane season. Furthermore, VGO exports from Russia helped support high diesel yields and those are now gone. As a result, there is a global shortage of crude to mostly diesel conversion and that's what is driving the margins. The optimization of diesel yield is resulting in a shortage of gasoline. It's not price fixing, it's competition for supply driving this pricing. Market forces will correct things and we're already seeing the market work to address gasoline supply. Refinery utilization in the US is at VERY high levels, and I have first hand knowledge that decisions are being made to keep taking these great margins as efficiently as possible - the solution to these high margins on the supply side is to incintivize this behavior.

In the past month refining margins have started to come off, but they may still settle at unnatural highs... That depends on demand resiliency, continued rejection of Russian supply, natural gas prices and supply in Europe, etc.

Point is, people need to understand the market, how it works, and why, before they ***** about "price gouging". If you fundamentally have no clue what is happening your opinion is just a fart in the wind.
None of this will matter to the average American, unfortunately. If the refineries have 6x profits and it can't be explained by tiny profits in the base period (year, quarter whatever), the entire oil and gas industry is going to get negative press.

Of course, the industry probably would get negative press even if profits were down and probably would if profits were exactly flat.
Unfortunately with the Democrats in office and the Democrat media controlling most of the news, the negative press for the oil industry will continue.
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It truly is remarkable what the dems and media have done to the energy sector in the last year and a half or so. I know we will not be able to divest ourselves from oil, but my bread and butter is crude imports and exports. I loathe when they open their mouths to denigrate the industry.

Gordo, good post above. I appreciate the explanation because I didn't fully know what is causing the high profits and I am in the industry sort of and I try to pay attention to this stuff. If I don't get it, certainly the average person who only knows what the idiot box and daily news tell them won't for certain.
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topher06 said:

Gordo14 said:

Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits


There's a shortage of refining capacity after Russia invaded Ukraine. There needs to be an incentive for refineries to run at max capacity and yield shift towards more diesel production and that's what these crack margins are - a market incentive.

What's really happening is that Europe crack margins (if you include opex from high natural gas prices) aren't nearly as great. They are not buying Russian diesel, so they are buying everything that moves from the US. At the same time, US demand for distillates has been very strong and we lost some refining capacity during COVID/hurricane season. Furthermore, VGO exports from Russia helped support high diesel yields and those are now gone. As a result, there is a global shortage of crude to mostly diesel conversion and that's what is driving the margins. The optimization of diesel yield is resulting in a shortage of gasoline. It's not price fixing, it's competition for supply driving this pricing. Market forces will correct things and we're already seeing the market work to address gasoline supply. Refinery utilization in the US is at VERY high levels, and I have first hand knowledge that decisions are being made to keep taking these great margins as efficiently as possible - the solution to these high margins on the supply side is to incintivize this behavior.

In the past month refining margins have started to come off, but they may still settle at unnatural highs... That depends on demand resiliency, continued rejection of Russian supply, natural gas prices and supply in Europe, etc.

Point is, people need to understand the market, how it works, and why, before they ***** about "price gouging". If you fundamentally have no clue what is happening your opinion is just a fart in the wind.
None of this will matter to the average American, unfortunately. If the refineries have 6x profits and it can't be explained by tiny profits in the base period (year, quarter whatever), the entire oil and gas industry is going to get negative press.

Of course, the industry probably would get negative press even if profits were down and probably would if profits were exactly flat.
the negative press and demonization of the industry is proof that dependence is here to stay. If the climate change idiots thought we were truly able to move away from HCs they wouldn't need to attack the high energy prices.
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Sure. Headlines and talking points will be what they are. It's what populism is all about - dumb down everything and remove critical thinking. I mean, it's also not the administration's fault, but if they don't blame it on the oil industry people will blame them.

Markets set commodity prices, not producers. And there is no evidence of supply manipulation. Anybody that pays any attention to the data understands that. Biden's advisors know that. But both parties also know that know-nothings with opinions are their primary voterbase, and so they say dumb **** for votes. They are always going to develop dumb talking points that people can nod their head to on various sound bites. Permenant government policy is usually more rationally driven. Yes the Biden administration will publicly halt federal permitting for a few months to excite their populist base, but then they quietly return to normal when everybody has moved on - because that's the rational thing to do. Sure Republicans will stick "I did that" stickers on every gas pump, but anybody that follows what's been happening globally in the commodity space knows that none of this has been driven by policy... Everything is still recovering from demand whiplash caused by COVID and supply shock from Russia's invasion. Anything else is orders of magnitude less important in the current commodity picture.

At the end of the day we need a more critical thinking and informed voter base. Otherwise we're going to be forced to make strategic errors with short term thinking as we miss the more critical larger picture. Yes inflation sucks, but the next few decades are going to be about authoritarian governments increasingly try to increase their influence over democratic society using increasingly violent means. Ukraine is just the start of what is to come - particularly if we don't flex American commitment and resolve. It will get way worse in the future the more we ignore what's happening. A Chinese invasion of Taiwan is more likely to happen if we can't be committed to Ukraine for the long term which also means that hydrocarbon markets may be insecure for a long time. We can't be shortsighted or impatient; that is what authoritarian governments view as our ultimate weakness.
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Ragoo said:

topher06 said:

Gordo14 said:

Goose06 said:

Do we think this is accurate (refiners to have a 652% increase in profits)? If so, is there additional context I am missing? I am as pro open markets and pro domestic energy as anyone, but the headline is at a minimum concerning as I do not care to give the democrats additional ammunition to attack the industry with.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/top-us-refiners-set-652-surge-profits


There's a shortage of refining capacity after Russia invaded Ukraine. There needs to be an incentive for refineries to run at max capacity and yield shift towards more diesel production and that's what these crack margins are - a market incentive.

What's really happening is that Europe crack margins (if you include opex from high natural gas prices) aren't nearly as great. They are not buying Russian diesel, so they are buying everything that moves from the US. At the same time, US demand for distillates has been very strong and we lost some refining capacity during COVID/hurricane season. Furthermore, VGO exports from Russia helped support high diesel yields and those are now gone. As a result, there is a global shortage of crude to mostly diesel conversion and that's what is driving the margins. The optimization of diesel yield is resulting in a shortage of gasoline. It's not price fixing, it's competition for supply driving this pricing. Market forces will correct things and we're already seeing the market work to address gasoline supply. Refinery utilization in the US is at VERY high levels, and I have first hand knowledge that decisions are being made to keep taking these great margins as efficiently as possible - the solution to these high margins on the supply side is to incintivize this behavior.

In the past month refining margins have started to come off, but they may still settle at unnatural highs... That depends on demand resiliency, continued rejection of Russian supply, natural gas prices and supply in Europe, etc.

Point is, people need to understand the market, how it works, and why, before they ***** about "price gouging". If you fundamentally have no clue what is happening your opinion is just a fart in the wind.
None of this will matter to the average American, unfortunately. If the refineries have 6x profits and it can't be explained by tiny profits in the base period (year, quarter whatever), the entire oil and gas industry is going to get negative press.

Of course, the industry probably would get negative press even if profits were down and probably would if profits were exactly flat.
the negative press and demonization of the industry is proof that dependence is here to stay. If the climate change idiots thought we were truly able to move away from HCs they wouldn't need to attack the high energy prices.


Didn't the Biden administration folks say they wanted to drive prices higher to shift people to EV not that long ago.
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Gordo14 said:

Sure. Headlines and talking points will be what they are. It's what populism is all about - dumb down everything and remove critical thinking. I mean, it's also not the administration's fault, but if they don't blame it on the oil industry people will blame them.

Markets set commodity prices, not producers. And there is no evidence of supply manipulation. Anybody that pays any attention to the data understands that. Biden's advisors know that. But both parties also know that know-nothings with opinions are their primary voterbase, and so they say dumb **** for votes. They are always going to develop dumb talking points that people can nod their head to on various sound bites. Permenant government policy is usually more rationally driven. Yes the Biden administration will publicly halt federal permitting for a few months to excite their populist base, but then they quietly return to normal when everybody has moved on - because that's the rational thing to do. Sure Republicans will stick "I did that" stickers on every gas pump, but anybody that follows what's been happening globally in the commodity space knows that none of this has been driven by policy... Everything is still recovering from demand whiplash caused by COVID and supply shock from Russia's invasion. Anything else is orders of magnitude less important in the current commodity picture.

At the end of the day we need a more critical thinking and informed voter base. Otherwise we're going to be forced to make strategic errors with short term thinking as we miss the more critical larger picture. Yes inflation sucks, but the next few decades are going to be about authoritarian governments increasingly try to increase their influence over democratic society using increasingly violent means. Ukraine is just the start of what is to come - particularly if we don't flex American commitment and resolve. It will get way worse in the future the more we ignore what's happening. A Chinese invasion of Taiwan is more likely to happen if we can't be committed to Ukraine for the long term which also means that hydrocarbon markets may be insecure for a long time. We can't be shortsighted or impatient; that is what authoritarian governments view as our ultimate weakness.


Sanctioning Russian oil is a policy decision and it drove O&G prices up. Not saying it was a bad policy decision, but to say "none of this is driven by policy" is incorrect.

Also, prices are market driven and the market is forward looking. Policies that will lead to less supply or more demand in the future will cause increased prices today. Policies that lead to more supply or less demand in the future will lead to lower prices today.

Interestingly, Dem policies of increased fuel efficiency standards and more EVs would lead to a decrease in prices (the real effect is likely far enough out there to have minimal effect today) which would slow the move away from O&G. So they need policies to slow future production to increase prices to encourage the move away from O&G. Problem is they instituted the policies to slow future production and then got hit with the Ukraine invasion and needed to respond with additional policies that limited supply.

It would be smart economically to promote both O&G production and a shift to EVs and less local demand for O&G. Then the US would have a surplus of O&G capacity and increase exports, improving the trade imbalance.
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Gordo14 said:

Sure. Headlines and talking points will be what they are. It's what populism is all about - dumb down everything and remove critical thinking. I mean, it's also not the administration's fault, but if they don't blame it on the oil industry people will blame them.

Markets set commodity prices, not producers. And there is no evidence of supply manipulation. Anybody that pays any attention to the data understands that. Biden's advisors know that. But both parties also know that know-nothings with opinions are their primary voterbase, and so they say dumb **** for votes. They are always going to develop dumb talking points that people can nod their head to on various sound bites. Permenant government policy is usually more rationally driven. Yes the Biden administration will publicly halt federal permitting for a few months to excite their populist base, but then they quietly return to normal when everybody has moved on - because that's the rational thing to do. Sure Republicans will stick "I did that" stickers on every gas pump, but anybody that follows what's been happening globally in the commodity space knows that none of this has been driven by policy... Everything is still recovering from demand whiplash caused by COVID and supply shock from Russia's invasion. Anything else is orders of magnitude less important in the current commodity picture.

At the end of the day we need a more critical thinking and informed voter base. Otherwise we're going to be forced to make strategic errors with short term thinking as we miss the more critical larger picture. Yes inflation sucks, but the next few decades are going to be about authoritarian governments increasingly try to increase their influence over democratic society using increasingly violent means. Ukraine is just the start of what is to come - particularly if we don't flex American commitment and resolve. It will get way worse in the future the more we ignore what's happening. A Chinese invasion of Taiwan is more likely to happen if we can't be committed to Ukraine for the long term which also means that hydrocarbon markets may be insecure for a long time. We can't be shortsighted or impatient; that is what authoritarian governments view as our ultimate weakness.


I don't see how anyone could believe that. All politicians care about is the next election, American people be damned. I agree they dumb down the messaging to basic talking points people will nod their head to. But even still, this admin has clearly made things worse through policy.

Cancel keystone pipeline. Green light Nordstream.
Cancel fracking and leases. Even if temporary, this scares off banks from investing, which is one of the main bottlenecks for E&P's to expand.
Increasingly adding more cost prohibitive regulations.
Drum up Ukraine war to sell weapons and start a proxy war with Russia. Sanction Russia.
Publicly ridicule and demonize the O&G industry.
Blame Big Oil for profits then beg them to magically lower prices.
Fist bump Saudi president and beg them to lower prices.
Flood the market with our strategic reserve through October to temporarily reduce gas prices for the election, then claim victory. And therefore weaken our national security as a byproduct.
And don't forget the entire Covid "pent up demand" is because of government policy under Trump to shut down the economy.

Don't see the rationality.
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I don't buy that administrations don't impact prices. I think prices would drop if the Democrats suddenly stopped demonizing the industry and admitted they need O&G to function. How much? I don't know, but I really don't believe it would go unnoticed.
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Natural gas approaching $9 again. Can't imagine what we'd see electricity prices at if Freeport was running. Make sure you have a contract locked up, I don't think this is going to get better quickly.
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Approaching $10 today
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gigem1223 said:

Approaching $10 today


Looks like Russia cutting supply spiking cost again?
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Is this reactionary? What fundamentals cause I domestic gas spike? We are exporting at capacity until Freeport comes back on line.
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A few things, production has been flat and not ramping, it's been extremely hot with seasonal injections below estimates and the expectation that we will continue to pull once Freeport is back up.

IMO- we are nearing capacity limits in the Haynesville, Marcellus is full, you have associated gas in permian and then the STx stuff.

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End of month contracts coming due as well
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TxAg20 said:

I'm guessing lots of earnings beats and lots of capex overshoots.
Matador comes in with a CAPEX increase - adding seventh rig. But they have paid down a ton of debt, so maybe investors will be ok with it.....of course record profits and large dividends are very helpful.
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MAROON said:

TxAg20 said:

I'm guessing lots of earnings beats and lots of capex overshoots.
Matador comes in with a CAPEX increase - adding seventh rig. But they have paid down a ton of debt, so maybe investors will be ok with it.....of course record profits and large dividends are very helpful.
Damn it, the independents won't be able to help themselves.
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topher06 said:

MAROON said:

TxAg20 said:

I'm guessing lots of earnings beats and lots of capex overshoots.
Matador comes in with a CAPEX increase - adding seventh rig. But they have paid down a ton of debt, so maybe investors will be ok with it.....of course record profits and large dividends are very helpful.
Damn it, the independents won't be able to help themselves.
Exactly at what price do you think they should be allowed to continue business?
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Gordo14 said:

Sure. Headlines and talking points will be what they are. It's what populism is all about - dumb down everything and remove critical thinking. I mean, it's also not the administration's fault, but if they don't blame it on the oil industry people will blame them.

Markets set commodity prices, not producers. And there is no evidence of supply manipulation. Anybody that pays any attention to the data understands that. Biden's advisors know that. But both parties also know that know-nothings with opinions are their primary voterbase, and so they say dumb **** for votes. They are always going to develop dumb talking points that people can nod their head to on various sound bites. Permenant government policy is usually more rationally driven. Yes the Biden administration will publicly halt federal permitting for a few months to excite their populist base, but then they quietly return to normal when everybody has moved on - because that's the rational thing to do. Sure Republicans will stick "I did that" stickers on every gas pump, but anybody that follows what's been happening globally in the commodity space knows that none of this has been driven by policy... Everything is still recovering from demand whiplash caused by COVID and supply shock from Russia's invasion. Anything else is orders of magnitude less important in the current commodity picture.

At the end of the day we need a more critical thinking and informed voter base. Otherwise we're going to be forced to make strategic errors with short term thinking as we miss the more critical larger picture. Yes inflation sucks, but the next few decades are going to be about authoritarian governments increasingly try to increase their influence over democratic society using increasingly violent means. Ukraine is just the start of what is to come - particularly if we don't flex American commitment and resolve. It will get way worse in the future the more we ignore what's happening. A Chinese invasion of Taiwan is more likely to happen if we can't be committed to Ukraine for the long term which also means that hydrocarbon markets may be insecure for a long time. We can't be shortsighted or impatient; that is what authoritarian governments view as our ultimate weakness.
I'm not as pessimistic about the future in terms of authoritarian governments. I actually think that isn't a "well informed" opinion.

We've done the "flex american commitment and resolve" in the middle east and got American citizens nowhere. Americans are right to be critical and ignore what's going on when they have issues going on in their daily lives. In my opinion, caring about the things you mentioned is very elitist.
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Saw on Reddit. Figured most here would be well aware of this data but nice to see in less-O&G-friendly places on the internet.





Along with some rational comments!

"One of these three produces a lot of Natural Gas, two of these have to import a ton of it. Any guesses which ones are which?"

"Yup, this is why you see the slight uptick in prices in the US - LNG exports. US producers would ideally like to export every bit of natural gas they can right now due to much higher prices in other markets, but natural gas has always been a very localized market due to the difficulty of shipping it. If there was more LNG export capacity available, you can bet your ass prices in the US would have increased a lot more."



And then really, really dumb and uneducated comments complaining about earthquakes and "gasoline price being too high"
"Except for the fact that people might lose those houses due to gas drilling-induced earthquakes. Something the government hasn't managed to effectively address or compensate all of these years, despite all of their promises. Because of that re-increasing gas production now is going to be a difficult political decision."

"Give me one good reason that someone paying more makes it okay we are over paying. I can name several countries were gasoline is under 1.50"
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I am pretty sure that the second person there at the bottom thinks 1. That natural gas and gasoline are the same thing and 2. That it comes out of the ground ready to go straight to the gas station.
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Sea Speed said:

I am pretty sure that the second person there at the bottom thinks 1. That natural gas and gasoline are the same thing and 2. That it comes out of the ground ready to go straight to the gas station.


Natural gas is gasoline formed in nature. All those refineries are producing artificial gasoline.
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