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XXXVII
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Maybe a dumb question, but since the US is no longer energy independent and selling our oil overseas, do the oil companies/refineries in Houston have massive layoffs, or what happens to their operations?
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XXXVII said:

Maybe a dumb question, but since the US is no longer energy independent and selling our oil overseas, do the oil companies/refineries in Houston have massive layoffs, or what happens to their operations?


That's a dumb question and doesn't make any sense.
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The refiners will be operating as normal. We've always imported foreign oil and will continue to import foreign oil.
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gigem1223 said:

Cyp0111 said:

I really do see levels that high and it's not good for the industry. Only service side fanboys think it's a good thing.


Extremely shortsighted take. Service side has taken it in the pants for years now. Most reputable service companies just want some sort of stability. Supply chain is a nightmare currently. Yes we're making money…finally…but don't act like operators are suffering.

And I'd say the standard "the price is too high, it's bad for the industry" reasoning doesn't apply. People aren't turning around and putting all extra profits into extra capacity right now like they would in the past. Even if they wanted to, they can't. There are too many shortages, rigs, casing, sand, labor, HHP capacity, etc. And these aren't shortages that people can money whip like they used to.

Now, that's not to say that the higher price doesn't cause other problems.
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htxag09 said:

gigem1223 said:

Cyp0111 said:

I really do see levels that high and it's not good for the industry. Only service side fanboys think it's a good thing.


Extremely shortsighted take. Service side has taken it in the pants for years now. Most reputable service companies just want some sort of stability. Supply chain is a nightmare currently. Yes we're making money…finally…but don't act like operators are suffering.

And I'd say the standard "the price is too high, it's bad for the industry" reasoning doesn't apply. People aren't turning around and putting all extra profits into extra capacity right now like they would in the past. Even if they wanted to, they can't. There are too many shortages, rigs, casing, sand, labor, HHP capacity, etc. And these aren't shortages that people can money whip like they used to.

Now, that's not to say that the higher price doesn't cause other problems.



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gigem1223 said:

Cyp0111 said:

I really do see levels that high and it's not good for the industry. Only service side fanboys think it's a good thing.


Extremely shortsighted take. Service side has taken it in the pants for years now. Most reputable service companies just want some sort of stability. Supply chain is a nightmare currently. Yes we're making money…finally…but don't act like operators are suffering.


Was going to post the exact same, glad someone said it. I'm on the OFS side at one of the big three and I don't know a single person fangirling over the current WTI surge.
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XXXVII said:

Maybe a dumb question, but since the US is no longer energy independent and selling our oil overseas, do the oil companies/refineries in Houston have massive layoffs, or what happens to their operations?


I think I get what your saying and the answer is no. We are still producing just not increasing or decreasing (much) the production level at this time.

Just because we're a NET oil importer now it just means we produce most of our own oil for our refineries but still have to import some oil (I don't know the figures or percentages) to meet our current refinery / demand needs.

My understanding anyways - I'm not with a operator I'm in drilling contracting.
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htxag09 said:

gigem1223 said:

Cyp0111 said:

I really do see levels that high and it's not good for the industry. Only service side fanboys think it's a good thing.


Extremely shortsighted take. Service side has taken it in the pants for years now. Most reputable service companies just want some sort of stability. Supply chain is a nightmare currently. Yes we're making money…finally…but don't act like operators are suffering.

And I'd say the standard "the price is too high, it's bad for the industry" reasoning doesn't apply. People aren't turning around and putting all extra profits into extra capacity right now like they would in the past. Even if they wanted to, they can't. There are too many shortages, rigs, casing, sand, labor, HHP capacity, etc. And these aren't shortages that people can money whip like they used to.

Now, that's not to say that the higher price doesn't cause other problems.
With oil and other commodity prices going through the roof I will say that I am starting to believe that we are heading towards a recession, which is probably the quickest way to solve this mess anyways. Between market losses, inflation and high gas prices I am starting to hear "wealth effect" chatter from everyday people I listen to.

That will push down O&G prices faster than anything else, as most of us olds know.
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https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttntus2&f=m

Net import data. We've been an importer for decades until late 2019. Net exported most months since then.

We'll probyend 2022 as a small net importer, but that won't be hugely significant.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51338


https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_neti_a_epc0_IMN_mbblpd_m.htm

We buy most of our oil from Canada, Saudi Arabia, and Mexico. We sell it to China, India, Israel, and Europe.
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Holy crap - I just looked at the early trading before seeing above and saw $125 WTI … looks like tomorrow oughta be more climb
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Isn't all time high 147.27?
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aginlakeway said:

Isn't all time high 147.27?


That will be busted by weeks end
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https://t.co/KFSOAKHPkq
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$130 now
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Good times are here again boys.

Like that old bumper sticker says, "God give me one more oil boom, and I promise not to waste it."

Looks like He's giving it to us. Don't waste it.
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Glad I bought USO back in spring 2020.
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Wrong thread
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TexAgs Thread

"Can the Oil/Gas service sector keep up with demand?"

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3276423
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Even at this price level it doesn't feel the same at least in my segment of the offshore industry.

Still just so much uncertainty.
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FTAco07 said:

I understand the virtue signaling and applaud the message you're sending, but this does little to nothing against Rosneft. They're selling shares on the secondary market and the BP shareholders are going to take a bath with no buyer for that block today. Not much practical impact to Rosneft ops.

BP had to be the worst run major and I can't imagine being a shareholder that is subject to all of their green washing and other value destructive initiatives.
How much more rope do they give Looney at bp?
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Dan Scott said:




there is so much bad/wrong in these two tweets it makes my head hurt.
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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

Dan Scott said:




there is so much bad/wrong in these two tweets it makes my head hurt.
I gave up Twitter for Lent - maybe forever. Those two tweets are why I did it. Just reading those lies makes me want very bad things to happen to both of those people.
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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

Dan Scott said:




there is so much bad/wrong in these two tweets it makes my head hurt.


takes some Enron level accounting to book 2021 profits on a future war
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They'd have you believe the war was started/planned by "Big Oil" so yeah maybe they did Enron the numbers
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Dan Scott said:




I find it interesting how fast they want to come out and take profits from O&G but crickets when times are bad.

Apple had a net profit of 124 billion last year, more than 2x what the big three made combined. Plus >25% net profit margin, and no boom/bust cycle on iPhones.
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$46B in profit is the equivalent of $4 per barrel for the USA in an entire year.

That's 18.5M barrel x 365. This is not counting barrels outside of the USA, so we know it's less per barrel.

The price of a barrel is up $40-$50.
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Shell exiting all assets in Russia now with a phased approach
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Hoo baby. It's gonna be a colorful summer.
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BrokeAssAggie said:


I'll believe it when I see it.
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Same over here in my corner too. I don't blame anyone for not ramping up new projects. We're 2 years removed from negative prices. Offshore projects take years and years of planning and are meant for long term returns. No one has the confidence that these prices will stick around Its still a hard sell to convince people to sink the capex needed to take advantage of high prices when its fresh in everyone's mind just how fast the Saudi's and OPEC can tank the price to maintain market share.
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