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In reply to fta09 • 12:06p, 8/25/21
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fta09 said:
While I don't agree with it and think it should be our choice, when you consider from a business perspective that you have millions of dollars of revenue riding on projects, shipments, services, etc. being delivered and all of that can go sideways for a couple of weeks at a time if someone gets COVID, I understand why management is considering requiring the vaccine.
Except that the vaccine doesn't keep people from getting Covid. Many positives right now are people who got the vaccine. Not saying most, not saying all. The vaccine does not stop Covid. So requiring the vaccine does nothing in respect to projects, shipments, services, etc.

I have a guy out for 24 days because his wife tested positive. Even if he had the vaccine, he would be out until the 24-day quarantine is over, assuming he doesn't test positive (he is on day 11 and has tested negative ane he has had no symptoms).
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12:18p, 8/25/21
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But (allegedly) the vaccine DOES prevent/lessen the chance of a bad case (ie extended hospital stay). Still serves the goal of limiting people being out to do a job they were hired to do, statistically speaking.
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In reply to tamuags08 • 12:22p, 8/25/21
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tamuags08 said:
But (allegedly) the vaccine DOES prevent/lessen the chance of a bad case (ie extended hospital stay). Still serves the goal of limiting people being out to do a job they were hired to do, statistically speaking.
Tell that to all the teachers at the local school district right now. Over 10% are out due to Covid and many (again most, not all) of them are vaccinated.

ETA: they are out for at least 10 days after testing positive and must have a negative test to return to work.
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12:24p, 8/25/21
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Are they at home or in the hospital?
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In reply to tamuags08 • 12:28p, 8/25/21
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tamuags08 said:
Are they at home or in the hospital?
Does it really matter? They aren't in the classroom teaching. A true vaccine would ensure they didn't get Covid and would be at work.
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12:36p, 8/25/21
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Well, I just got asked my vaccination status for an upcoming on-site meeting next week with a refining company.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 12:39p, 8/25/21
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
Well, I just got asked my vaccination status for an upcoming on-site meeting next week with a refining company.
Oh they just asked?

Well then you identify as vaccinated.
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In reply to one MEEN Ag • 12:40p, 8/25/21
if he is, yes. I do not think its a good idea to lie to your employer about that. Seems like an odd hill to die on.
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In reply to Fuzzy Dunlop • 12:45p, 8/25/21
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Fuzzy Dunlop said:
tamuags08 said:
Are they at home or in the hospital?
Does it really matter? They aren't in the classroom teaching. A true vaccine would ensure they didn't get Covid and would be at work.


The statement that started this mini thread was regarding an employer trying to ensure it's employees are available to work for them as much as possible. A hospital stay by nature is going to keep an employee away from doing work more than staying home
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In reply to Fuzzy Dunlop • 1:47p, 8/25/21
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Fuzzy Dunlop said:
fta09 said:
While I don't agree with it and think it should be our choice, when you consider from a business perspective that you have millions of dollars of revenue riding on projects, shipments, services, etc. being delivered and all of that can go sideways for a couple of weeks at a time if someone gets COVID, I understand why management is considering requiring the vaccine.
Except that the vaccine doesn't keep people from getting Covid. Many positives right now are people who got the vaccine. Not saying most, not saying all. The vaccine does not stop Covid. So requiring the vaccine does nothing in respect to projects, shipments, services, etc.

I have a guy out for 24 days because his wife tested positive. Even if he had the vaccine, he would be out until the 24-day quarantine is over, assuming he doesn't test positive (he is on day 11 and has tested negative ane he has had no symptoms).


The only way this is possible is if he isn't vaccinated or your employer has a policy different than the recommended CDC policy. Even many school districts have a no test / quarantine policy for vaccinated individuals unless they show symptoms.
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In reply to tamuags08 • 1:53p, 8/25/21
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tamuags08 said:
Fuzzy Dunlop said:
tamuags08 said:
Are they at home or in the hospital?
Does it really matter? They aren't in the classroom teaching. A true vaccine would ensure they didn't get Covid and would be at work.


The statement that started this mini thread was regarding an employer trying to ensure it's employees are available to work for them as much as possible. A hospital stay by nature is going to keep an employee away from doing work more than staying home


Hospital stays also cost the company (and employees) a lot more money.
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In reply to tamuags08 • 6:58p, 8/25/21
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tamuags08 said:
But (allegedly) the vaccine DOES prevent/lessen the chance of a bad case (ie extended hospital stay). Still serves the goal of limiting people being out to do a job they were hired to do, statistically speaking.


I have not seen any data for this, just anecdotes. Not denying it's the case, but in my case my symptoms were worse when I had Covid after I had the vaccine.
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7:36p, 8/25/21
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Are you saying that you got COVID, were then vaccinated, then got COVID again? If not, what are you comparing your symptoms to? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand your comparison.
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In reply to Cyp0111 • 7:49p, 8/25/21
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Cyp0111 said:
if he is, yes. I do not think its a good idea to lie to your employer about that. Seems like an odd hill to die on.
My employer is strongly against any sort of mandate and any customer requirement for vaccination. Unfortunately, I am in BD and at some point will need proof of vaccination.

I wish people would accept natural immunity and I would be golden but no one cares about the actual science anymore.
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In reply to one MEEN Ag • 7:52p, 8/25/21
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one MEEN Ag said:
ttha_aggie_09 said:
Well, I just got asked my vaccination status for an upcoming on-site meeting next week with a refining company.
Oh they just asked?

Well then you identify as vaccinated.
Not that simple, unfortunately.

Answer no - you won't get approval for on-site meeting
Answer yes - you'll be asked to provide proof of vaccination
Answer none of your business - see no response
Answer yes and not have proof - not going to resonate well with clients
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In reply to joemeister • 8:12p, 8/25/21
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Are you saying that you got COVID, were then vaccinated, then got COVID again? If not, what are you comparing your symptoms to? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand your comparison.


That's correct. Had zero symptoms the first time over Christmas. Only tested because we were told we were exposed. Vaccinated in late March/early April and had Covid first week of July. Had severe allergy symptoms. Still no fever or cough.
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In reply to tamuags08 • 8:56p, 8/25/21
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Fuzzy Dunlop said:
tamuags08 said:
Are they at home or in the hospital?
Does it really matter? They aren't in the classroom teaching. A true vaccine would ensure they didn't get Covid and would be at work.


The statement that started this mini thread was regarding an employer trying to ensure it's employees are available to work for them as much as possible. A hospital stay by nature is going to keep an employee away from doing work more than staying home

Awesome. Next they will ban all employees from smoking, drinking, riding motorcycles. They will test weight and body fat percentage and can those who do not make the required range. They can run gene tests to make sure they don't employ folks who have higher risk of cancer or diabetes. They can begin discarding people whose religion may prevent them from working certain day of the week or on certain holidays.

All of this is fine since it is the company making sure their employees are more likely to be available to work.
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In reply to Bob Knights Paper Hands • 9:07p, 8/25/21
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tamuags08 said:
Fuzzy Dunlop said:
tamuags08 said:
Are they at home or in the hospital?
Does it really matter? They aren't in the classroom teaching. A true vaccine would ensure they didn't get Covid and would be at work.


The statement that started this mini thread was regarding an employer trying to ensure it's employees are available to work for them as much as possible. A hospital stay by nature is going to keep an employee away from doing work more than staying home

Awesome. Next they will ban all employees from smoking, drinking, riding motorcycles. They will test weight and body fat percentage and can those who do not make the required range. They can run gene tests to make sure they don't employ folks who have higher risk of cancer or diabetes. They can begin discarding people whose religion may prevent them from working certain day of the week or on certain holidays.

All of this is fine since it is the company making sure their employees are more likely to be available to work.


I mean, none of those are contagious diseases so I think your making a bit of a false equivalence. The whole team can't catch diabetes or mouth cancer from that one 300 lb coworker that dips all the time.
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9:11p, 8/25/21
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Many companies already charge surcharges for smoking.
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In reply to Gordo14 • 9:17p, 8/25/21
Exactly. it's not an argument that will get through though. They view as any compromise as a hill too far.
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In reply to Gordo14 • 9:35p, 8/25/21
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So should pricing be higher for people not getting their flu shots?
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In reply to agdaddy04 • 9:37p, 8/25/21
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agdaddy04 said:
So should pricing be higher for people not getting their flu shots?

Do you understand how flew vaccines are developed each year and why they may or may not work?
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In reply to AgLA06 • 9:39p, 8/25/21
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As it has started to appear, it is going to be the same way with the covid vaccines...
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In reply to Gordo14 • 5:43a, 8/26/21
But if the rest of the team is vaccinated anyway they should be good right?
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In reply to Bob Knights Paper Hands • 7:35a, 8/26/21
You don't live in a normal, rationale world
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In reply to Cyp0111 • 8:03a, 8/26/21
You don't like that someone has a different opinion than you do, so you quickly turn to personal attacks? That's pretty pathetic.
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In reply to Bob Knights Paper Hands • 8:53a, 8/26/21
it's not that. Your opinion is not one of someone that works and/or lives in a rational world. Creating a fake hill to die on. Failure to understand basic corporate mechanics and how the world works with lawyers/risk mitigation etc. shows either 1) you're not employed in a setting that requires a problem solver/thinker 2) a bit

On what level do you think an employer is going to let an employee disregard what they set as a corporate/public health policy and then blindly say that people can come in regardless of status.

Look at the investment banks. You want to come in offices globally or see customers ? Get vaccinated. Want to be a keyboard warrior and fight, get to collecting unemployment.
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In reply to Cyp0111 • 9:06a, 8/26/21
So what is my opinion that proves I'm an unemployed POS? Since you already know everything please expound on my exact position here.
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In reply to Bob Knights Paper Hands • 9:18a, 8/26/21
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You're taking these posts way too personally. He didn't say you were an unemployed pos in any way, shape, or form. He said investment banks have made this requirement and if you don't want the vaccine you can collect unemployment
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Your opinion is not one of someone that works and/or lives in a rational world. Creating a fake hill to die on. Failure to understand basic corporate mechanics and how the world works with lawyers/risk mitigation etc. shows either 1) you're not employed in a setting that requires a problem solver/thinker 2) a bit


That seem pretty personal to me.
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11:03a, 8/26/21
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Please do not let this thread catch the ban hammer with Covid stuff. While I understand the relation, this has been a great, if not hall of Fame level, thread
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In reply to sawemoffshort07 • 11:06a, 8/26/21
Agreed. I'll say no more on the subject.
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In reply to sawemoffshort07 • 11:06a, 8/26/21
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sawemoffshort07 said:
Please do not let this thread catch the ban hammer with Covid stuff. While I understand the relation, this has been a great, if not hall of Fame level, thread

I honestly can't think of a single derail or staff interjection which is basically unheard of on a thread this size. Well done.
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In reply to sawemoffshort07 • 11:06a, 8/26/21
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100% this. I monitor this thread for industry specific news related to who is buying who, who is going tits up, etc.

What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
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