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txaggie_08 said:

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25% of COP staff or 25% of combined COP/CXO staff. I know a lot of people there and thats a big number as they've consistently cut staff.

I believe this announced cut is strictly COP staff. CXO employees have been told a decision on their future won't be made until some undisclosed time after the close date.

It also took Conoco about 3 years to integrate Burlington into Conoco. I'm not sure if the Conoco culture has changed since then, but I would expect the same with Concho.
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Brutal for the COP employees. I imagine they did not expect it to play out quite like this.
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TxAg20 said:

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COP ran pretty lean after cut after cut since 14/15. Maybe they're going with the CXO team in Midland for permian ops.

With Leach being head of Lower 48 and Harper running Permian, Midland running Permian is probably a safe bet.

Yes, Conoco will continue operations out of Concho's Midland offices. It appears most cuts will come from the COP side, allowing CXO to continue operating the Permian as they have, but now under the COP umbrella. There will be some fat trimming at CXO, especially for redundant groups that are no longer needed. I think the question will be how much fat will be trimmed at CXO within the operational asset teams.
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This would be such a tough pill to swallow.

You are part of a large corp (which in of itself many probably assume adds a level of stability) which then acquires another entity (which you start thinking stinks for acquired company and probably more work for me but should be safe) only to find out right before Christmas you have a 25% chance of finding a new company in 2021...
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Corporate functions will get wiped and rolled into COP. If the cuts are operational in focus at COP then it should probably be much lower than expected. it's an interesting move tbh.
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Looks like COP and CXO stockholder meetings are set for January 15th, so I would assume official close is Monday, January 18th?
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TxAg20 said:

txaggie_08 said:

Cyp0111 said:

25% of COP staff or 25% of combined COP/CXO staff. I know a lot of people there and thats a big number as they've consistently cut staff.

I believe this announced cut is strictly COP staff. CXO employees have been told a decision on their future won't be made until some undisclosed time after the close date.

It also took Conoco about 3 years to integrate Burlington into Conoco. I'm not sure if the Conoco culture has changed since then, but I would expect the same with Concho.
I was there and left after about that 3 year period. COP stripped out a couple of layers of management and replaced them with Burlington folks in order to "run like an independent". Problem was that meant not getting permits and stuff for properties in Louisiana.

Over that 3 year period it was a slow trickle of leadership leaving the company after their retention packages expired. Totally changed the dynamic of the company. I was heritage Phillips and we ran lean up until the Conoco merger as a fall-out from the T. Boone takeover attempt in the '80's. Always budgeted conservatively on oil and gas prices up until that point.

Once COP merged it became a free for all for management packages and once Burlington came in it was all over IMO.
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And bc JIm Mulva was pretty brutal
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That jives with what I've heard.
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Anyone hearing anything about Baker Hughes selling the downstream services back to GE again?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill]I prefer the red pills[/url]
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txaggie_08 said:

XOM going through their layoffs today. Are they getting any kind of package?

Heard COP sent out their WARN Letter today, so should see 500+ layoffs on or after February 1.

Anything else going on?


I have several friends at Exxon. Their severance offer was way below market compared to what other super majors have been offering. I think they got fewer weeks of severance than the length I was told Chevron kept people on payroll prior to paying out severance. Also, I guess due to XOM's pension structure, anyone within a few years of retirement eligibility couldn't be laid off and either couldn't be included in a voluntary separation program or were offered such a small amount of severance that it would make no sense to take the offer unless they were going to retire this year anyway. I believe near retirement eligible employees are also excluded for their performance improvement process. They are essentially untouchable for their final few years of employment.

Pretty much every other supermajor was able to make a decent voluntary separation offer and most everyone who was going to retire within 1-3 years anyway took the money and ran (also because the lump sum pension conversion calc is really favorable when interest rates are low.)

Exxon couldn't cut anyone near retirement and it seems from what I've been told they also didn't really allow for time to place people who were strong performers but in a highly impacted group. So low performers in groups not hit as hard by layoffs were kept and high performers in groups hit hard (like their global projects org) were cut. Terrible process but they had to rush to take all of the severance expense hit in FY20 so they could throw it in with the loss from the write down and keep FY21 clean with a reduced cost structure. My neighbor is a upper/mid level mgmt at Exxon and said basically the realization that they would have to take a write down this quarter accelerated the timing of the layoffs...otherwise they were planning to properly build and fill out a new org by end of 1Q21 or 2Q21.

So Exxon couldn't cut people nearing retirement anyway (even if they wanted to leave) and didn't allow time to build an org and place the best people in the most appropriate positions because mgmt wanted to take all the one time losses in the same quarter. They just wacked at workgroups based on mgmt estimation of the fewest possibly people needed to get work done and, if you were currently in a role in an unlucky workgroup, you probably lost your job. Very few people were evaluated to be moved to another role if their position was eliminated. The rationale for that was they already did their performance based cuts and this was strictly RIF based on lower workload.

Really sucks for those involved.
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Natty getting walloped today thanks to a bearish w/d #. One of the analysts in our shop was forecasting a fairly decent-sized injection so could be worse, I guess. It's been terribly warm in all the places you need it to be cold for this time of year.
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Sounds like they're making a bad, long-term decision in order to make next quarter's numbers better.

As someone who likely has many quarters left in my career, I never understand why public companies do this.
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Because they're public!
Cyp0111
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Bc they're public and mgmt wants a reset for next year.
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What's going on sucks, but the majors are just now getting around to what the rest of us have been dealing with the past six years. Good thing is that having Exxon on their resume should help many of these guys get back on their feet quicker than others.
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I've never worked for a private company, but it amazes me how difficult it is to make long term investments in public companies. The need for short term results is so demanded by Wall Street that unless you have a diversified portfolio with some real solid bread and butter assets, you can't really plan all that well. That's one reason I decided to try and get out of the offshore drilling sector because I just don't think it will ever be as attractive as it was. Certainly not for new equipment, which is what I was supplying.

(Of course public companies can develop offshore assets, but they have more hurdles than private.)

Another interesting thing is to compare the list of "favorite" grocery stores versus market leaders. The "favorites" are almost all privately or employee owned. The market leaders (like Walmart and Kroger) are all based on maximizing economies of scale and keeping costs low.
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Got my call today that I survived. I would have been fine either way but this is much better than having to go find a new job next year.
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Curious what org you are with? UBD, UIS, GPC, Chemicals, F&L.......know several people there.
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chuck-yates-needs-a-job/id1536448009?i=1000501041946

Suggestion EOG is hiding a huge discovery in Madison Co.

Interviewee is looking at infra build out and can't reconcile it with anything other than a lot of new volume from Greater Aggiepand.

I'm naturally skeptical - surely this would have leaked by now.
Cyp0111
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This play lost a fortune for almost everyone involved circa 2014
GBMont3
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Right? Guy I know went BK there twice!
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Only legit dry hole I've ever been involved with was up there. After a very expensive frac in the Buda lime the well flowed water for 30 days before it loaded up. We didn't install lift. No hydrocarbon, not one single whiff of gas.

edit to add: also on that pad I saw a cow step on a water transfer line and took a gusher right to the utters. one of the funniest things I've seen.
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TxAg20 said:

Sounds like they're making a bad, long-term decision in order to make next quarter's numbers better.

As someone who likely has many quarters left in my career, I never understand why public companies do this.


What happened to the adage: "a good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week?"

Except in this case, the perfect plan wasn't next week, but apparently middle of next year.
Cyp0111
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New Gulf and ENXP were two of the last big leveraged deals done in 2014 and they were focused on that region. The outcome was almost a full impairment of the entire cap stack.

EOG has always been up there back to that weird deal w Zaza. Let's be real, EOG is the ultimate promote shop.
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Treadstone made out like bandits after selling that position to ENXP.

I did see last spring that ENXP, now Pardus, sold what was left of that asset for < $1.0MM. Amazing the amount of cash blown on that asset.
Cyp0111
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Treadstone got 6x on the assets which I believe they bought from Houston Exploration Group out of bankruptcy or something similar. That was a wild deal
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Was just over on the West Texas forum and checked in on the earthquake thread there, do these occurrences damage wells in any way or has anyone heard of something like this?
Cyp0111
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It's been a while but believe $1 bln.
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$45 the new price target by OPEC? It's been great to see it there for 2 weeks ever since the ~$40 we had since June.
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CaptTex said:

Was just over on the West Texas forum and checked in on the earthquake thread there, do these occurrences damage wells in any way or has anyone heard of something like this?
They can, but would be impossible to track. There have been instances where over time formation shifts underground will part casing on an O/G well, but it's hard to prove that would be from an earthquake.

I'd argue most of the seismic activity in the Midland Basin is the result of some bad decisions by certain SWD companies (purposely injecting in the Cambrian, not plugging back like they are supposed to, 80k BPD rates, etc....)
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mts6175 said:

CaptTex said:

Was just over on the West Texas forum and checked in on the earthquake thread there, do these occurrences damage wells in any way or has anyone heard of something like this?
They can, but would be impossible to track. There have been instances where over time formation shifts underground will part casing on an O/G well, but it's hard to prove that would be from an earthquake.

I'd argue most of the seismic activity in the Midland Basin is the result of some bad decisions by certain SWD companies (purposely injecting in the Cambrian, not plugging back like they are supposed to, 80k BPD rates, etc....)
Mind expanding a little more about the bad actors? What are the issues with injecting in the cambrian?
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one MEEN Ag said:

mts6175 said:

CaptTex said:

Was just over on the West Texas forum and checked in on the earthquake thread there, do these occurrences damage wells in any way or has anyone heard of something like this?
They can, but would be impossible to track. There have been instances where over time formation shifts underground will part casing on an O/G well, but it's hard to prove that would be from an earthquake.

I'd argue most of the seismic activity in the Midland Basin is the result of some bad decisions by certain SWD companies (purposely injecting in the Cambrian, not plugging back like they are supposed to, 80k BPD rates, etc....)
Mind expanding a little more about the bad actors? What are the issues with injecting in the cambrian?
Typically the Ellenberger is the formation that is used for injection in the deep wells in the Midland Basin. The Cambrian sits below the Ellenberger and is an unstable formation, basically the same as the Arbuckle in Oklahoma. You are supposed to plug your injection wells 100' above the base of the Ellenberger per RRC rule. There are a few companies that have drilled into the Cambrian and not plugged back to get the injection rates higher.....
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mts6175 said:

one MEEN Ag said:

mts6175 said:

CaptTex said:

Was just over on the West Texas forum and checked in on the earthquake thread there, do these occurrences damage wells in any way or has anyone heard of something like this?
They can, but would be impossible to track. There have been instances where over time formation shifts underground will part casing on an O/G well, but it's hard to prove that would be from an earthquake.

I'd argue most of the seismic activity in the Midland Basin is the result of some bad decisions by certain SWD companies (purposely injecting in the Cambrian, not plugging back like they are supposed to, 80k BPD rates, etc....)
Mind expanding a little more about the bad actors? What are the issues with injecting in the cambrian?
Typically the Ellenberger is the formation that is used for injection in the deep wells in the Midland Basin. The Cambrian sits below the Ellenberger and is an unstable formation, basically the same as the Arbuckle in Oklahoma. You are supposed to plug your injection wells 100' above the base of the Ellenberger per RRC rule. There are a few companies that have drilled into the Cambrian and not plugged back to get the injection rates higher.....


This legitimately pisses me off. Those companies should be sued into bankruptcy. If the RrC doesn't have the balls to ruin this type of company, then the industry will continued to get **** on so some dumbass company can make a few thousand extra dollars
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I wouldn't go scorched earth just yet. The recent seismic activity is probably going to uncover this and the RRC will act.
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