Diggity said:

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I guess unless you felt like a steak

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Made them at home.

I'm confused by all of these Quality Meats recommendations. Is it just because it is in Midtown and that is where most tourists stay?

I went several times when I lived there because it was only a few blocks from my office and it was easy to walk in and get a seat at the bar.

I remember it as essentially Smith & Wollensky with a more modern decor and interior design. An average steakhouse. Better than Outback but not close to a top tier place.

People all end up there because it is in midtown and generally has tables available up until the last minute on the weekends at decent times and is walkable to where all the shows are. This makes it great for pre or post show dinner.

I went maybe 10 years ago and then again in March both times were for dinner around a show. I've been twice so clearly I don't think it is terrible… it's fine and has its place in the market there. There's just way better both restaurants and steakhouses in Manhattan.

The waitress at Monkey Bar told me they were a steakhouse. I should have just got up and left when I heard that.

steve00 said:

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At that price, maybe Balthazar or Minetta Tavern or Momo***u Noodle Bar.

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Order the cote de boeuf for two, you will NOT be disappointed.

carl spacklers hat said:

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steve00 said:

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At that price, maybe Balthazar or Minetta Tavern or Momo***u Noodle Bar.

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Order the cote de boeuf for two, you will NOT be disappointed.

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Seconded. Add the Pommes Aligot or Pommes Anna to it as well. Both very interesting sides.

If by yourself, get the Black Label Burger. Probably the best tasting burger I have ever had. The proprietary blend includes dry aged ribeye. Very beefy. They only serve it with carmelized onions. Nothing else to cover up the beef flavor.

She might like Serendipity 3 for lunch. I would make a reservation. It's close enough to Central Park to walk over there after spending some time in the park. Have fun!

Quality Bistro is my favorite spot for dinner before a show.

steve00 said:

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A steakhouse is one of the most boring types of restaurant you can go to in NYC. It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

To make it somewhat interesting, you should go to somewhere unique to there.

Peter Luger in Brooklyn is the most well known and historic. The food is not great, but it is an experience.

Keen's for the mutton chop was a good suggestion.

4 Charles is probably the most trendy steak place in town.

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Peter Luger is probably my favorite steak I've ever had.

BMach said:

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Peter Luger is probably my favorite steak I've ever had.

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I respect that different people can have vastly different preferences. To better contextualize your take, what would your second and third favorite steak be?

I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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Ok my guy… settle down with this nonsense.

There's… so many steakhouses in Manhattan alone and really good ones at that. Plenty of people are clamoring for steak in NY just like they do in Texas.

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OK. Name a couple of steakhouses in Manhattan that are better than any steakhouse in Texas. If they look good then maybe I'll check them out next time I'm in town.

steve00 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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Ok my guy… settle down with this nonsense.

There's… so many steakhouses in Manhattan alone and really good ones at that. Plenty of people are clamoring for steak in NY just like they do in Texas.

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OK. Name a couple of steakhouses in Manhattan that are better than any steakhouse in Texas. If they look good then maybe I'll check them out next time I'm in town.

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It's a steakhouse dude. High end ones really aren't super differentiated beyond service usually. There's plenty in NY with the exact same quality staff, food and ambiance as Texas.

I recommended something other than a steakhouse because what make NY better than most cities is the diversity of offering.

ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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Ok my guy… settle down with this nonsense.

There's… so many steakhouses in Manhattan alone and really good ones at that. Plenty of people are clamoring for steak in NY just like they do in Texas.

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OK. Name a couple of steakhouses in Manhattan that are better than any steakhouse in Texas. If they look good then maybe I'll check them out next time I'm in town.

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It's a steakhouse dude. High end ones really aren't super differentiated beyond service usually. There's plenty in NY with the exact same quality staff, food and ambiance as Texas.

I recommended something other than a steakhouse because what make NY better than most cities is the diversity of offering.

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This, I don't think any single one is necessarily that much better than the next or better than what I can cook at home. What I liked most about Peter Lugers was the tallow butter they use on the steak. That stuff is fantastic.

BMach said:

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ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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Ok my guy… settle down with this nonsense.

There's… so many steakhouses in Manhattan alone and really good ones at that. Plenty of people are clamoring for steak in NY just like they do in Texas.

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OK. Name a couple of steakhouses in Manhattan that are better than any steakhouse in Texas. If they look good then maybe I'll check them out next time I'm in town.

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It's a steakhouse dude. High end ones really aren't super differentiated beyond service usually. There's plenty in NY with the exact same quality staff, food and ambiance as Texas.

I recommended something other than a steakhouse because what make NY better than most cities is the diversity of offering.

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This, I don't think any single one is necessarily that much better than the next or better than what I can cook at home. What I liked most about Peter Lugers was the tallow butter they use on the steak. That stuff is fantastic.

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Exactly. They all have their little spin generally but broadly speaking, high end ones all have a good cocktail, big wine list, serve prime meat and sides loaded with tons of butter.

ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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ATM9000 said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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Ok my guy… settle down with this nonsense.

There's… so many steakhouses in Manhattan alone and really good ones at that. Plenty of people are clamoring for steak in NY just like they do in Texas.

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OK. Name a couple of steakhouses in Manhattan that are better than any steakhouse in Texas. If they look good then maybe I'll check them out next time I'm in town.

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It's a steakhouse dude. High end ones really aren't super differentiated beyond service usually. There's plenty in NY with the exact same quality staff, food and ambiance as Texas.

I recommended something other than a steakhouse because what make NY better than most cities is the diversity of offering.

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It seems like we are both mostly saying the same thing. A steakhouse in NYC is not going to be some special experience and it comes at the cost of not going to a really interesting restaurant that would be unique to the city. I probably could have worded my original statement better. Something like - It isn't going to be ANY BETTER THAN a top steakhouse in Texas.

I remain interested to hear the names of some of the plenty of steakhouses in NYC that are equal in quality to the top steakhouses in TX.

steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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steve00 said:

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It isn't going to be as good as a top steakhouse in Texas.

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Exactly what makes a Texas steakhouse so much better? You don't have to be location specific to buy prime beef, age it if you want, cook it well, and serve it with good sides.

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You can have a great steakhouse anywhere, true. You are more likely to find great steakhouses in an area that has more steakhouses and customers that value steakhouses. To be fair, you will also find a lot more bad steakhouses. TX focuses much more on steakhouses than NYC does.

Sure, a top chef in NYC could likely create a better steakhouse than what exists in TX, but their customers aren't clamoring for that and the chef would find it incredibly boring, so they don't do that.

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I figured you were talking out of your ass. Thank you for the confirmation.

love a good steakhouse slap fight.

I will say this, I've had great steaks in NYC...places like Peter Luger (share the Porterhouse), Wolfgang (Luger's heir apparent), Strip House, Quality Meats, etc. Always enjoyed myself but couldn't help but feeling I can get as good or better at Pappas Bros/V&A's.

For that reason, I usually avoid steakhouses in other cities unless it's a business meal.

We were in Orlando for work a few weeks ago and went to Charley's...which i usually love. Their $110 steak wasn't near as good as the $65 steak in Houston, so I think we're just spoiled.