ruxin98 said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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troubling numbers from Altuve...

he has 14 GiDP's and 1 GiTP

with 53 at-bats with a runner on 1st and less than 2 outs (i.e. the double play is in effect)

so 28% of the time he hits into the GiDP when it's available

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Any coach worth a lick would see this and get him out of the middle of the order.

And any decent GM would notice if his terrible manager doesn't see this and fire his ass.

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I don't think managers generally hold hitting into double plays against a player or consider those type of things when filling out a lineup card. That's just a biproduct of the way Altuve swings and his aggressiveness, and hitting into double plays is typically more a matter of luck and circumstance than anything else.

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If a player who swings at everything and hits a large % of ground balls and is routinely coming up to the plate with runners on base, said player is a constant inning ender threat.

Altuve needs to be batting in a place where the mindset is "get on base", not "drive in runs". His days of being an MVP candidate and major RBI producer are likely over.

Therefore, a manager not considering his actual results when generating the lineup is being incredibly irresponsible.

After the Altuve talk, I had to look up the Astros' single-season record for GIDP.

Not surprisingly, it's Brad Ausmus with a whopping 30 in 2002. Jim Rice had not just the highest (36) but the second highest (35) as well.

I meant to put these Yordan stats in the Bingo report earlier. Here's how he's doing assaulting the Astros' all-time single season records.

Homers: He has 33, he's on pace for 52, the team record is 47 by Bagwell.

RBI: He's got 75, on pace for 118, the team record is 136 by Berkman. Would be a top 10 mark.

Total bases: He's got 239, on pace for 376, the team record is 363 by Bagwell.

Slugging percentage: .649. Bagwell slugged .750 in 1994. The second-highest is .636 by Hidalgo in 2000.

On-base percentage: .432. The record is .454 by Bagwell. Yordan's mark would be 6th all-time.

OPS: 1.081. The record is 1.201 by Bagwell in 1994. Berkman is second at 1.051.

Work a deal with TB.

HB, Pena and Paredes for their top 10 prospects.

MaxPower said:

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If I'm working off the assumption that we are hell bent on doing something stupid then the case for Adames is the following:

1) Get SF to eat a bunch of salary. If you go by the trade simulator, Adames is worth -42M so they'd have to eat $42M just for us to take him off their hands and give up nothing. Clearly you aren't giving up prospects of any value (though giving up a B or C tier or two would get them to eat more money)
2) If you get Adames then part 2 is Peña is a very valuable trade chip where you can do make an impact move. You can get a #2 starter (for us at least) and a good starting OF from the Red Sox. Saurez and Duran? Bennett and Abreu? Either of those trades helps you beyond 2027 (when Pena is leaving anyway).

At that point you just hope Adames is more like the 2025 version and isn't much worse than Pena while the trade with the Red Sox solves your primary concerns.

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Pulling this back up from about a week ago. It has grown on me.

If we can get the Giants to do something similar to Adames as the Twins did with Correa, stacked with Pena going out for a haul from Boston, which would have to include a left-handed OFer and a pitcher that can pitch in the rotation in 2026 and beyond. I could see it working. It's just having to have faith that Adames has something left in the tank. On paper, the offense should be worse with upside to be as good or better, while pitching clearly improves. Long term the team should be in a slightly better position.

By doing something like this, it mixes it up enough to potentially be better even if it introduces risk to be worse. The odds of making the playoffs as is or buying small are slim.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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redline248 said:

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Send Brown to Tampa for a couple high prospects and 1 MLB ready player

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So long as Dana adjusts his idea of MLB ready to mean "better than AAAA", then yes. Cam was MLB ready and he's been pretty underwhelming sadly

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It's all part of of the problems with the contraction of the minor leagues. Kids like Smith get rushed along and even though he did well at first, he hit a wall last year and hasn't recovered yet.

ruxin98 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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redline248 said:

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Send Brown to Tampa for a couple high prospects and 1 MLB ready player

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So long as Dana adjusts his idea of MLB ready to mean "better than AAAA", then yes. Cam was MLB ready and he's been pretty underwhelming sadly

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That's the thing, I don't think Cam was MLB ready. He'd only had one full season of minor league ball. It's pretty obvious he needed some seasoning in hindsight, and I think Dana just rushed him because of our lack of OF options and to help justify the Tucker trade.

Edit: I was reminded later in the thread that he had less than a full season of minor league ball.

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Hopefully that's what it is because as things stand he's been less effective than Jake Meyers at the plate.

Meyers - 1706 PAs, .669 OPS, 88 OPS+
Smith - 868 PAs, .660 OPS, 85 OPS+

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/meyerja02.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithca07.shtml

And Cam's numbers are getting worse the more PAs he sees. He's put up a 80 OPS+ this year vs. 88 OPS+ his rookie season. That along with his .210 BA suggests that pitchers have him figured out more so than he's figuring things out, which is discouraging.

Ugh. I was so excited for him to play but turns out everyone cautioning against it was right (at least for now).

The Astros signed their first two draft picks: outfielder Logan Hughes and right-hander Jack Radel. Their signing bonuses, according to a source:

Hughes: $3.41 million (Slot value was $4,870,000)

Radel: $3 million (Slot value was $3,360,000)

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 22, 2026

I believe that makes 6 players signed, and we're ~2.5 M under slot. That bodes well for landing some of the big name guys we went after after the 10th round.

Farmer1906 said:

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Let's trade for Sandy this morning and have him pitch against the Marlins instead of against us. Should be a free win.

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Thats exactly what I thought last night when I saw that Alcantara was pitching tonight. If I was the GM I would put a in a call to the Marlins and see if we could swing a deal. But I'm not sure if Dana thinks outside the box like that.

Dad, tell me about Altuve's plate discipline the first 2 weeks of 2026. pic.twitter.com/m62VFmXGyp

— TravisT (@LeftyTravis) July 22, 2026

It's interesting to me you guys think a GM just calls up a team out of the blue and starts working on a deal.

Pretty sure these deals take months to hash out and usually involve an Asst GM and other FO staff before bringing in the GM for final sign off.

It's not as easy as thinking outside the box, picking up a phone, and swinging a deal.

Ag_07 said:

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It's interesting to me you guys think a GM just calls up a team out of the blue and starts working on a deal.

Pretty sure these deals take months to hash out and usually involve an Asst GM and other FO staff before bringing in the GM for final sign off.

It's not as easy as thinking outside the box, picking up a phone, and swinging a deal.

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What, Moneyball isn't true?

Ag_07 said:

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It's interesting to me you guys think a GM just calls up a team out of the blue and starts working on a deal.

Pretty sure these deals take months to hash out and usually involve an Asst GM and other FO staff before bringing in the GM for final sign off.

It's not as easy as thinking outside the box, picking up a phone, and swinging a deal.

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We have had the same obvious flaws as a team since the 2023-2024 offseason. Our front office should be extremely well acquainted with the needs and available players to meet our needs by now. Sending out the message of "Don't even call about Walker or Pena" is the wrong message and keeps those deals that could make us a lot better for 2028 and beyond from ever getting off the ground.

Let's do it.

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— Houston Astros (@astros) July 22, 2026

Ah resting an everyday starter with an off day tomorrow.

Joe and his getaway day lineups

To be fair it is the starter who accounted for 7 outs in 4 ABs yesterday.....

htxag09 said:

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To be fair it is the starter who accounted for 7 outs in 4 ABs yesterday.....

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Yeah, I was about to compliment him for that bit of wisdom. If you thought Altuve was swing happy before, just imagine him trying to atone for last night with 1 swing every AB today.

Faustus said:

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ruxin98 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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redline248 said:

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Send Brown to Tampa for a couple high prospects and 1 MLB ready player

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So long as Dana adjusts his idea of MLB ready to mean "better than AAAA", then yes. Cam was MLB ready and he's been pretty underwhelming sadly

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That's the thing, I don't think Cam was MLB ready. He'd only had one full season of minor league ball. It's pretty obvious he needed some seasoning in hindsight, and I think Dana just rushed him because of our lack of OF options and to help justify the Tucker trade.

Edit: I was reminded later in the thread that he had less than a full season of minor league ball.

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Hopefully that's what it is because as things stand he's been less effective than Jake Meyers at the plate.

Meyers - 1706 PAs, .669 OPS, 88 OPS+
Smith - 868 PAs, .660 OPS, 85 OPS+

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/meyerja02.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithca07.shtml

And Cam's numbers are getting worse the more PAs he sees. He's put up a 80 OPS+ this year vs. 88 OPS+ his rookie season. That along with his .210 BA suggests that pitchers have him figured out more so than he's figuring things out, which is discouraging.

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Yeah, I'm not sure it matters anymore whether he was rushed or he's just not good enough. It's not looking good for him, although the optimistic view is he could end up turning it around in his 3rd or 4th season ala Jordan Walker.

htxag09 said:

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To be fair it is the starter who accounted for 7 outs in 4 ABs yesterday.....

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I know. I'm not actually as mad about it this time. It just seems to be a theme on the getaway days

We were once crush city. Maybe we can be again?

Rival executives believe Houston could absolutely crush it in the trade market if they dangled Jeremy Pena, Isaac Paredes and others, per @Buster_ESPN pic.twitter.com/GYHvgeKSgO

— SleeperMLB (@SleeperMLB) July 22, 2026

Under-slotting both guys will allow the Astros flexibility to sign the four high school prospects they took: Keon Johnson, Jack Beck, Beau Peterson and James Tronstein. None of the four have signed yet, but the Astros are pooling enough money to have a legit shot at all four https://t.co/Taw3IIdr0G

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 22, 2026

Ag_07 said:

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It's interesting to me you guys think a GM just calls up a team out of the blue and starts working on a deal.

Pretty sure these deals take months to hash out and usually involve an Asst GM and other FO staff before bringing in the GM for final sign off.

It's not as easy as thinking outside the box, picking up a phone, and swinging a deal.

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Months is quite an exaggeration. Part of this is ongoing conversations and relationships, knowing who else is gettable and having your scouts/analytics debt understand who you want from other teams' farms.

But the negotiation and actual deals don't take months. Weeks often, but even days or hours near the deadline.

Wade is nearing the end of his rope during his tryout stage. If there's a worse cleanup hitter in the big leagues tonight, who is it ?

Ag4life80 said:

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Wade is nearing the end of his rope during his tryout stage. If there's a worse cleanup hitter in the big leagues tonight, who is it ?

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It doesn't matter. Our strategy is clearly just to have Yordan and Pena hit jacks every day

Told the White Sox were extremely close to acquiring Aroldis Chapman before the Red Sox went on their stunning win streak. Do not know whom the White Sox offered in return.

— George Ofman (@georgeofman) July 22, 2026

linkdude said:

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Told the White Sox were extremely close to acquiring Aroldis Chapman before the Red Sox went on their stunning win streak. Do not know whom the White Sox offered in return.

— George Ofman (@georgeofman) July 22, 2026

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Can I interest you in a Josh Hader for Braden Montgomery, Hagan Smith, or Billy Carlson…or some combo of those 3?

Yes please and thank you.

superaggie73 said:

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linkdude said:

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Told the White Sox were extremely close to acquiring Aroldis Chapman before the Red Sox went on their stunning win streak. Do not know whom the White Sox offered in return.

— George Ofman (@georgeofman) July 22, 2026

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Can I interest you in a Josh Hader for Braden Montgomery, Hagan Smith, or Billy Carlson…or some combo of those 3?

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Conflicting report, but that could just be carrying water for a team on a W15

Had someone shoot down that Aroldis Chapman-White Sox thing at warp speed. Carry on.

— Chris Cotillo (@ChrisCotillo) July 22, 2026

My 90 year old mom making her first game in over 10 years (she's retired in Kyle). She got there super early with my cousin who lives in Houston and already has her scorecard ready.

Let us know her feedback about the anime stuff tonight

How many dome foams has she had already?

I dont remember Bagwell being that good in 94. It doesn't feel as dominant as Yordan

JYDog90 said:

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How many dome foams has she had already?

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She only likes vodka.