Ag_07 said:

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Y'all are nuts.

I think Bregman actually wants to be here or in Boston but neither one will pay him enough.

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Here's what I now think after the Alonzo deal:
1. Bregman would prefer here or Boston, and as you said, neither were willing to pay him the $30M/yr for 6+ years he was seeking. I think Bregman has faced that reality and has accepted it. Pretty clear he doesn't want do go to Detroit, and I'm confident he doesn't really want to play in Chicago.

2. I think Bregman & Boras approached both the Astros and Red Sox about deals at $30M/yr with opt-outs, probably after the 1 or 2 year mark. I think neither club wants to do those deals.

3. I think Bregman ends up with an Alonzo type deal at this point if he continues to let his pride get in the way. It wouldn't shock me either if he does actually end up in Chicago .

Either way, I'm fine with the situation as I think the Astro are fine without him.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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Makes you wonder if Bregman will opt to do a similar deal like this with the Cubs https://t.co/xBNHoFCObe

— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) February 6, 2025

Certainly seems like things are trending this way.

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Alex has gambled once and lost..... he goes Alonso route he will lose again. Life is full of lessons I suppose.

Beat40 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Y'all are nuts.

I think Bregman actually wants to be here or in Boston but neither one will pay him enough.

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Here's what I now think after the Alonzo deal:
1. Bregman would prefer here or Boston, and as you said, neither were willing to pay him the $30M/yr for 6+ years he was seeking. I think Bregman has faced that reality and has accepted it. Pretty clear he doesn't want do go to Detroit, and I'm confident he doesn't really want to play in Chicago.

2. I think Bregman & Boras approached both the Astros and Red Sox about deals at $30M/yr with opt-outs, probably after the 1 or 2 year mark. I think neither club wants to do those deals.

3. I think Bregman ends up with an Alonzo type deal at this point if he continues to let his pride get in the way. It wouldn't shock me either if he does actually end up in Chicago .

Either way, I'm fine with the situation as I think the Astro are fine without him.

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It's ego and ignorance of risk at this point.

A short term, $100M contract with opt outs allows you to test free agency again, potentially a year older and at the risk of:

1. Injury (he's prone to injuries)

2. Performance drop off (significant over the last few years).

If either #1 or #2 (or both) happen, his market value declines significantly. He's still locked in for $100M, but he's also not guaranteed an extra $56M.

And why does he suddenly think that he's going to become the Bregman of 2019 again? He will be 32 years old when he's up for another free agent season next year.

The other thing to consider is that Wrigley field is an awful match for Bregman, so signing a short term deal just feeds into issue #2 above. If no team is offering him the mega deal he wants now, how likely is it that another team next year will match the Astro's offer for the next 5 years, especially if you see poor numbers from Bregman in Wrigley? What about his own legacy as a baseball player, where a poor ballpark can hurt his long-term stats?

If he turns down $156M guaranteed with a chance to have an ideal stadium fit, and competitive team, because Boras is blowing smoke up his ass, he's less intelligent than I thought.

AggiEE said:

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Beat40 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Y'all are nuts.

I think Bregman actually wants to be here or in Boston but neither one will pay him enough.

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Here's what I now think after the Alonzo deal:
1. Bregman would prefer here or Boston, and as you said, neither were willing to pay him the $30M/yr for 6+ years he was seeking. I think Bregman has faced that reality and has accepted it. Pretty clear he doesn't want do go to Detroit, and I'm confident he doesn't really want to play in Chicago.

2. I think Bregman & Boras approached both the Astros and Red Sox about deals at $30M/yr with opt-outs, probably after the 1 or 2 year mark. I think neither club wants to do those deals.

3. I think Bregman ends up with an Alonzo type deal at this point if he continues to let his pride get in the way. It wouldn't shock me either if he does actually end up in Chicago .

Either way, I'm fine with the situation as I think the Astro are fine without him.

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It's ego and ignorance of risk at this point.

A short term, $100M contract with opt outs allows you to test free agency again, potentially a year older and at the risk of:

1. Injury (he's prone to injuries)

2. Performance drop off (significant over the last few years).

If either #1 or #2 (or both) happen, his market value declines significantly. He's still locked in for $100M, but he's also not guaranteed an extra $56M.

And why does he suddenly think that he's going to become the Bregman of 2019 again? He will be 32 years old when he's up for another free agent season next year.

The other thing to consider is that Wrigley field is an awful match for Bregman, so signing a short term deal just feeds into issue #2 above. If no team is offering him the mega deal he wants now, how likely is it that another team next year will match the Astro's offer for the next 5 years, especially if you see poor numbers from Bregman in Wrigley? What about his own legacy as a baseball player, where a poor ballpark can hurt his long-term stats?

If he turns down $156M guaranteed with a chance to have an ideal stadium fit, and competitive team, because Boras is blowing smoke up his ass, he's less intelligent than I thought.

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I think the surprising thing is to see him continuing to play obvious Boras games leaking that "things are heating up" with a team he obviously doesn't want to play for while expecting other teams to up their offers. He is at the point where he has gotten the best offers he is going to get. There is obviously nobody out there chomping at the bit to overpay for him, and the longer he waits, the more likely it becomes that his preferred teams make other moves that preclude them from having a spot/budget for him. He should get off the pot and pick an offer and go with it. He isn't going to gain anything from anybody he wants to play for by waiting two more weeks to sign.

Pappy Van Winkle said:

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Altuve, Yordan, Correa, Springer, crap even Pena for a season. Breggy has always been the bridesmaid. He wants to be the bride.

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What?

Some of this Bregman hate is just insane to me

Why wouldn't we give him what is effectively a 1 year, $30M deal? I'd much rather do that than 6/$156M

MaxPower said:

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Why wouldn't we give him what is effectively a 1 year, $30M deal? I'd much rather do that than 6/$156M

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This. A short deal would be much better than the 6/$156 we offered.

Pappy Van Winkle said:

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Altuve, Yordan, Correa, Springer, crap even Pena for a season. Breggy has always been the bridesmaid. He wants to be the bride.

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This is asinine

Farmer1906 said:

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Ben Gamel 2021-2024 vs RHP

wOBA: .331
xwOBA: .334
League Avg wOBA: .313

If we zoom out, the sample size is plenty big to expect above-average production from Gamel vs RHP. I hope he makes the roster and is actually gets 300+ PA.

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I hope he platoons a lot this year to keep Chas away from RHP sliders.

AggiEE said:

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tjack16 said:

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MaxPower said:

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Why wouldn't we give him what is effectively a 1 year, $30M deal? I'd much rather do that than 6/$156M

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I'd love that. I'd even prefer a 2 year high AAV deal to get prime Bregman for 2 more years which gives Cam smith more time for development to be the guy

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A 1 or 2 year deal doesn't make sense since we'd lose a draft pick by signing Bregman

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It makes sense if it's 2 years, no opt outs, $60MM with $45MM of it deferred until 2030. But that's not happening.

Scott Boras would choke on a chicken bone before letting Bregman sign that deal.