It's a negotiated benefit for players, and they'd give something back for it (like lower AAV). If they don't it's no different than Bregman not being signed because he wants a longterm contract and a high AAV. If the players get low enough on the AAV the opt out or six years won't prove to be an obstacle.
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Yordan Alvarez was named the top LF in MLB for 2025. Or should it be Altuve? pic.twitter.com/scNH57aYd7
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) January 30, 2025
Is Yordan to LF what Palmeiro was to 1B?EastCoastAgNc said:Yordan Alvarez was named the top LF in MLB for 2025. Or should it be Altuve? pic.twitter.com/scNH57aYd7
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) January 30, 2025
Who are your 4 pitchers in Mets history on Mount Rushmore?
— SheaHello (@shea_Hello) January 28, 2025
Pretty easy 3. Seaver. Doc. Jake. #4 is the almighty question….#LGM🔷🔶 pic.twitter.com/eS525rUa8T
Who are the Astros pitching Mount Rushmore?
My choices:
Verlander
Wagner
Ryan
Oswalt
HM to Scott, JR, Pressly, Lidge, Dierker, & Wilson.
Jose Lima
Jose Lima
Jose Lima
Brandon Backe
Jose Lima
Jose Lima
Brandon Backe
“I think Bellinger and Goldschmidt are going to make up for a good deal of Juan Soto’s offense.”
— Fireside Yankees (@FiresideYankees) January 29, 2025
-Hal Steinbrenner
Agree or disagree?#Yankees pic.twitter.com/QRSZiEhsZL
George would be rolling over in his grave knowing his son just made a "make it up in the aggregate" reference
How much is the Draft Pick in value if we end up signing Bregman?
That's one reason I can't see us agreeing to any deal with opt outs. 1 year of Bregman only to opt out and you lose a pick by signing him to a contract he just abandons anyways?
That's one reason I can't see us agreeing to any deal with opt outs. 1 year of Bregman only to opt out and you lose a pick by signing him to a contract he just abandons anyways?
JR RichardFarmer1906 said:Who are your 4 pitchers in Mets history on Mount Rushmore?
— SheaHello (@shea_Hello) January 28, 2025
Pretty easy 3. Seaver. Doc. Jake. #4 is the almighty question….#LGM🔷🔶 pic.twitter.com/eS525rUa8T
Who are the Astros pitching Mount Rushmore?
My choices:
Verlander
Wagner
Ryan
Oswalt
HM to Scott, JR, Pressly, Lidge, Dierker, & Wilson.
Mike Scott
Justin Verlander
Billy the Kid
I missed this today. Would have been a nice cheap 6th/7th inning piece.
Ryne Stanek’s deal with the Mets is for $4.5 million, per source. Stanek can earn another $500K in incentives.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 29, 2025
Fumbleruski said:
Jose Lima
Jose Lima
Jose Lima
Brandon Backe
Believe it.
I love Mike Scott and how foolish he made guys look throwing the earliest version of the split finger (possibly scuffed) fastball. But he doesn't have the longevity to be up there. I'd start with Nolan and Billy since they are both in the HOF and probably put Verlander up there for his role in the championships. Beyond that, there are about 4-5 other guys who have a legit argument for that 4th spot.Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:JR RichardFarmer1906 said:Who are your 4 pitchers in Mets history on Mount Rushmore?
— SheaHello (@shea_Hello) January 28, 2025
Pretty easy 3. Seaver. Doc. Jake. #4 is the almighty question….#LGM🔷🔶 pic.twitter.com/eS525rUa8T
Who are the Astros pitching Mount Rushmore?
My choices:
Verlander
Wagner
Ryan
Oswalt
HM to Scott, JR, Pressly, Lidge, Dierker, & Wilson.
Mike Scott
Justin Verlander
Billy the Kid
Agree with you, take off Scott as hard as it my be & add Ryan.
My uncle took me to JR''s comeback start that didn't happen...we hiked up to the 2nd to last row of the yellow seats...little me thought I'd just climbed Mt Everest to get to our seats..
My uncle took me to JR''s comeback start that didn't happen...we hiked up to the 2nd to last row of the yellow seats...little me thought I'd just climbed Mt Everest to get to our seats..
always a good discussion...
Mike Scott and Roy Oswalt should be locks, because their greatness was with the Astros...and solely with the Astros
JV, Nolan, Clemens, et al...belong on other teams' Mount Rushmores if that makes sense
Keuchel may be the guy from the championship era
Mike Scott and Roy Oswalt should be locks, because their greatness was with the Astros...and solely with the Astros
JV, Nolan, Clemens, et al...belong on other teams' Mount Rushmores if that makes sense
Keuchel may be the guy from the championship era
Would you consider Cole? I know he was only here two years, but my God he was THAT good in those years.
if he had been put in Game 7 he would be on our mount rushmoreBonnettecj1 said:
Would you consider Cole? I know he was only here two years, but my God he was THAT good in those years.
It's Nolan, JV, Roy O and Wags.
I was a big fan of JRR and Clemens, but longevity needs to count.
Almost as fun:
Who are the 4 most underrated or underappreciated Astros pitchers of all time?
I'd say Shane Reynolds, Wade Miller, Dierker and Dave Smith.
I was a big fan of JRR and Clemens, but longevity needs to count.
Almost as fun:
Who are the 4 most underrated or underappreciated Astros pitchers of all time?
I'd say Shane Reynolds, Wade Miller, Dierker and Dave Smith.
Mike Hamptonagproducer said:
Who are the 4 most underrated or underappreciated Astros pitchers of all time?
I'd say Shane Reynolds, Wade Miller, Dierker and Dave Smith.
I'd put CFM on there long before Cole.
mount rush
1. Wagner
2. Oswalt
3. Ryan
4. Dierker
JV with a statue at the bottom of the mountain on the viewing deck
1. Wagner
2. Oswalt
3. Ryan
4. Dierker
JV with a statue at the bottom of the mountain on the viewing deck
So no Wandy Rodriguez????
With the most career wins as an Astro, Joe Niekro should be in any pitching discussion.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Please allow myself to introduce myself, my name is Mike Scott
He is in the discussion no doubt, but not on MY mount rushmore.Marvin said:
With the most career wins as an Astro, Joe Niekro should be in any pitching discussion.
Only if it has a gigantic cold sore
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
AustinCountyAg said:He is in the discussion no doubt, but not on MY mount rushmore.Marvin said:
With the most career wins as an Astro, Joe Niekro should be in any pitching discussion.
I was just irritated by the complete lack of mentions. Show some respect for Nail File Niekro!
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Ain't my money so I'm good with it.Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
Would you guys shoot me if I said no?
I guess the question is whether we think it would bring another title in the next two years. I'd sign up for that, but it's a boat anchor for the back end.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
Nope
That's higher than what we previously offered. Why bid against yourself?
Stay on the 6/156 and we're good
Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
I wouldn't do 6/120, I think he's washed
Mr Rushmore
JRR
Niekro
Roy O
JV
Wags
The original design for Rushmore had 4 faces and the Entablature. JRR is my Entablature. The part that was never finished.
There isn't any more room for a another carving but under consideration were Don Wilson, Nolan, Joe Sambito and Dave Smith. If he signs a long term contract to stay, Framber is going to be hard to leave off.
JRR
Niekro
Roy O
JV
Wags
The original design for Rushmore had 4 faces and the Entablature. JRR is my Entablature. The part that was never finished.
There isn't any more room for a another carving but under consideration were Don Wilson, Nolan, Joe Sambito and Dave Smith. If he signs a long term contract to stay, Framber is going to be hard to leave off.
Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
Nope. He had a shot at 6/156 and turned it down.
He can have 3/80 with auto extensions if he meets certain metrics. Half of it deferred and no opt outs. All an opt out does is let him out early and since he can't be QO tagged again, we lose that compensation.
The reality is with Parades and Smith, we don't need Bregman as much as maybe he needs us.
Did they increase their offer or is this just a hypothetical?Farmer1906 said:
Who's ready for Bregman to sign 6/162 with the Astros?
Marvin said:AustinCountyAg said:He is in the discussion no doubt, but not on MY mount rushmore.Marvin said:
With the most career wins as an Astro, Joe Niekro should be in any pitching discussion.
I was just irritated by the complete lack of mentions. Show some respect for Nail File Niekro!
Joe's appearance on Letterman, when he came out with a tool belt on, shortly after getting tossed for scuffing was gold…
Here's a list of guys I want you to look up:txags92 said:I love Mike Scott and how foolish he made guys look throwing the earliest version of the split finger (possibly scuffed) fastball. But he doesn't have the longevity to be up there. I'd start with Nolan and Billy since they are both in the HOF and probably put Verlander up there for his role in the championships. Beyond that, there are about 4-5 other guys who have a legit argument for that 4th spot.Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:JR RichardFarmer1906 said:Who are your 4 pitchers in Mets history on Mount Rushmore?
— SheaHello (@shea_Hello) January 28, 2025
Pretty easy 3. Seaver. Doc. Jake. #4 is the almighty question….#LGM🔷🔶 pic.twitter.com/eS525rUa8T
Who are the Astros pitching Mount Rushmore?
My choices:
Verlander
Wagner
Ryan
Oswalt
HM to Scott, JR, Pressly, Lidge, Dierker, & Wilson.
Mike Scott
Justin Verlander
Billy the Kid
#1: Pitched a no-hitter to clinch a division/playoff spot in the entire history of baseball.
#2: Won the MVP of a playoff series while a member of the losing team.
There's only 1 who has done either, and both are Mike Scott.
And I hate to die on this hill, but a lot of Astro fans conflate Nolan Ryan's accomplishment with the Angels and the Rangers as some kind of incredible time with the Astros, which he didn't really have. I hate WAR but it does prove my point.
Nolan with the Angels: 40.0 WAR in 8 seasons (5.0/per, high of 7.8)
Nolan with the Astros: 25.4 WAR in 9 seasons (2.8/per, high of 5.4)
Nolan with the Rangers: 15.2 WAR in 5 seasons (3.0/per, high of 5.1)
He broke 2 huge career records as an Astro - no-hitter #5 and Johnson's K record, but he was only "good" the rest of the time. Never higher than 4th in Cy Young voting, never hit 300 strikeouts again (he did this 5 times with the Angels and once with the Rangers). One no-hitter compared to 4 with California and 2 with Texas, and the numbers are good, but never great.
Here's how he did among the NL top 10 league leaders in the 1980s
ERA: 1st in 1981 (strike year) and 1987 (8-16 year), otherwise finished 7th in 1983
Wins: 7th in 1981, 7th in 1982
Strikeouts: 2nd in 1980, 4th in 1981, 5th in 1983, 3rd in 194, 3rd in 1985, 6th in 1986, 1st in 1987, 1st in 1988.
He's an all-time Texas legend and was the only guy to throw 100+ for almost 30 years, but there's no way his accomplishments from 1980-1988 are one of the four best Astros of all time. Joe Niekro in the same era blows him out of the water.
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