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***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****
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Last: 5 min ago by iBrad
I'll reserve judgement on Tatis Sr as our hitting coach until Profar repeats last year's performance this year.
Jake hits lefties well so if you could find a platoon lefty it could work. Cedric Mullins could make sense in a Framber trade (you'd need a lot more coming back). Of course the problem is that still leaves RF and LF….
Yup. I mentioned him a while back. Maybe the last trade deadline. He should be available too.
The Red Sox remain in the mix for starting pitching after their acquisition of Garrett Crochet 👀#MLBNHotStove pic.twitter.com/w69aA49kML
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 16, 2024
We got a guy for that
We live for Big Jon bat flips. pic.twitter.com/Oc36xz0rDX
— Houston Astros (@astros) December 17, 2024
Social media team foreshadowing...
Jaydoug said:
My guess is nope. Capt. Lou Abreu cost a bunch, with turrible results.
Sugano, 35, is one of the most accomplished pitchers in Japan. He had a 1.67 ERA in 156 2/3 innings last season for the Yomiuri Giants. His career ERA in Japan was 2.45.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 17, 2024
What's the master plan for the Houston Astros?@brianmctaggart breaks down their recent activity and looks into what needs to be done. #MLBTonight pic.twitter.com/Yx79TgDyQu
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 17, 2024
iamtheglove said:
Back to Gamel discussed up thread. I would like to see him brought back on the cheap. In his short stint he put together some really quality and patient at bats - something that would benefit this club. Was actually refreshing to see one if our guys work a count and use all fields.
Stros need batters who can have good ABs at the bottom of the order and get on base at a league average clip.
That's why there was an improvement when they picked up Gamel and Heyward last season.
The @Rockies have signed 28-year-old LHP Jefry Yan to a minor league contract.
— MLB (@MLB) December 16, 2024
We can only imagine how excited he is with this news 🤣 pic.twitter.com/q4Dl6Me7pp
This is who Hector Neris dreams of being
And that is the only real defense I could make of the Arenado play (ignoring the financial side), is that even if his power is gone, he still gets on base and doesn't strike out much, meaning he could lengthen the lineup at the bottom.BadAggie said:iamtheglove said:
Back to Gamel discussed up thread. I would like to see him brought back on the cheap. In his short stint he put together some really quality and patient at bats - something that would benefit this club. Was actually refreshing to see one if our guys work a count and use all fields.
Stros need batters who can have good ABs at the bottom of the order and get on base at a league average clip.
That's why there was an improvement when they picked up Gamel and Heyward last season.
Nonetheless, we need another bat for the middle of the lineup, not the bottom.
They need a bigger free agent for the middle of the order but just having an average MLB player capable of professional ABs in 7-8-9 spots is what they need
Framber for Casas seems obvious but he's a butcher at 1B, which is interesting because he got good grades defensively as a prospect.EastCoastAgNc said:The Red Sox remain in the mix for starting pitching after their acquisition of Garrett Crochet 👀#MLBNHotStove pic.twitter.com/w69aA49kML
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 16, 2024
We got a guy for that
That's incredible
EastCoastAgNc said:Sugano, 35, is one of the most accomplished pitchers in Japan. He had a 1.67 ERA in 156 2/3 innings last season for the Yomiuri Giants. His career ERA in Japan was 2.45.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 17, 2024
A 35 year old rookie pitcher. What could possibly go wrong?
If you pay him $13,000,000 his first season, do you get to pay him the minimum next season in pre-arb?
The Red Sox and Orioles desperately need SP. Squeeze them Dana. Get something done.
It definitely feels like we should be able to upgrade at least one position in the OF by trading Framber in that direction. I would love to grab Wilyer Abreu, but I don't see how we sweeten the pot on top of Framber to Boston.
We have a real chance to use our expiring contracts to assemble a new multi-year core. Altuve-Alvarez-Diaz-Paredes-Smith +1
We have a real chance to use our expiring contracts to assemble a new multi-year core. Altuve-Alvarez-Diaz-Paredes-Smith +1
If I'm another team looking at Framber, I have to take his mental approach to the game into account. Sure, he's a good lefty…. Until he isn't. Do I really want to carry Machete (or another Hispanic pitcher whisperer) for Framber to pitch to?
According to @hgomez27, Teoscar Hernandez is looking for a 3-year deal and the Red Sox are among the six teams that have shown interest.
— Boston Sports Gordo (@BOSSportsGordo) December 17, 2024
Red Sox, Phillies, Yankees, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Reds
Three year deal? Sign me up. pic.twitter.com/hqu8pfFLKx
They should just start listing teams that are interested besides NYY, Boston, and LAD, Those 3 teams are literally "interested" in every FA.
Wabs said:
They should just start listing teams that are interested besides NYY, Boston, and LAD, Those 3 teams are literally "interested" in every FA.
Same with Toronto
We prolly need to wait out the Sasaki signing before we can do much.
Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
The Porkchop Express said:chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
I'd like to extend him if possible personally.
tjack16 said:The Porkchop Express said:chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
I'd like to extend him if possible personally.
Same.
I really think that if the Astros can get some decent OF in FA and either resign Bregs or let him walk and sign a FA 1B so Paredes is your guy at 3rd and we have a better option at 1B they can still be really competitive.
The Porkchop Express said:chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
I don't think it's that we are anti-Framber. It's more about looking at how to best compete in 25 as well as the next few years after that.
All players are assets that you deploy for the most benefit. To that end, how do you maximize the value that Framber provides the organization? His cost is about to skyrocket. Should we extend him? Should we let him walk next off-season and get the comp pick? Do we trade him?
If trade is the choice, then there is risk in waiting until the trade deadline as he could be hurt, playing poorly. If you get a return you are happy with, then you do it
I think everyone loves Framber despite his idiosyncrasies. Unfortunately I think most people realize that with the shipping of Tucker, with us unlikely to get Bregman back, that our window has closed and if you're going to rebuild, do a rebuild all the way.The Porkchop Express said:chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
You could wait til the deadline but if you are competing (within a few games of the division) that could be a hard sell to fans even if you know in your heart you're just playoff cannon fodder.The Porkchop Express said:chandler driving me straight into the athletic's pay wall.EastCoastAgNc said:Meet Cam Smith, the infield prospect who meditates to Bob Marley before every game (and sometimes during a game), thought he'd be a "Cub forever," became the centerpiece of the Astros' trade for Kyle Tucker and is ready to embrace the pressure that brings https://t.co/5tz9n1R92E
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 17, 2024
I hate to be the dumb guy in the room more often than necessary, but why are we all so anti-framber? I know he's a FA after '25, but wouldn't it make more sense to see if we're a good team this year, and if not trade him at the deadline where someone is guaranteed to significantly overpay for a top flight starter?
There are two problems with waiting. One is he could get hurt and you're effed. He has been a workhorse but the wheels can fall off any time. The second is the team acquiring him can't give him a QO. That's got to be a big selling point for any team acquiring him in the offseason.
That said, deadlines drive deals and you may very well get just as much value at the deadline if he's healthy.
It seems like it's more the risk of which Framber you're gonna get. Maybe you give him an extension and that gives him confidence that he's wanted and pitches lights out. Maybe he feels like he's trade bait and not wanted and can't get his head straight.
He's still our Ace.
He's still our Ace.
listening to Bogusevic on 790 this morning...he makes some really good points about the mega top-of-the-market contracts
using Juan Soto's contract as an example...Soto will either meet expectations or fall short
he won't or cannot exceed expectations or return value above his contract...because it's at the top of the market
whereas Yordan with his extension...can exceed expectations and return financial value to the Astros organization beyond his contract
ultimately those are the players and contracts the Astros are looking for now -- where a player has the potential to "out play" his contract
using Juan Soto's contract as an example...Soto will either meet expectations or fall short
he won't or cannot exceed expectations or return value above his contract...because it's at the top of the market
whereas Yordan with his extension...can exceed expectations and return financial value to the Astros organization beyond his contract
ultimately those are the players and contracts the Astros are looking for now -- where a player has the potential to "out play" his contract
not sure where the Hader contract fits in this mentality however
it was top-of-the-market but at least only 5 years
it was top-of-the-market but at least only 5 years
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