***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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If it wasn't for Kikuchi we probably wouldn't have made it to the playoffs.

No one we traded would've had that kind of impact.
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Now everyone do Randy Johnson.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Joey Loperfido traded for a rental that got you zero playoff wins.
wasn't his fault he got zero playoff wins. Joey Loperfido will be "Joey Who? in a short time. Hell we might be able to get him back when the Jays DFA him.
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I'm interested in dating a supermodel... Both had the same chance of happening
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going 0-2 in the wildcard round is better than missing the playoffs

but not by much

both equate to zero playoff wins
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We are 5-1 in 14 G against him and hit him very well. Lets see if that trend continues.
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to be fair to the front office...Espada letting Tayler Scott throw 3 innings in the spot start after the Kikuchi trade (because Bloss had just been dealt)...

was a big mistake

Scott's ERA by month:

April ---> 2.19
May ---> 1.17
June --> 1.23
July ---> 0.87

August --> 4.35
Sept -----> 6.35

oh my
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All I do is Nguyen said:

Considering how the season ended I wish we could've kept Lopes and Wagner, Bloss I was okay with letting walk

Interesting. Bloss was considered the biggest loss in that trade
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MAROON said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Joey Loperfido traded for a rental that got you zero playoff wins.
wasn't his fault he got zero playoff wins. Joey Loperfido will be "Joey Who? in a short time. Hell we might be able to get him back when the Jays DFA him.
Im not blaming the pitcher. I'm blaming management. Don't trade a young exciting player for a rental when you aren't close to competing for a title / have no guarantees of resigning the rental. That's the surefire way to mediocrity.
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The Porkchop Express said:

MAROON said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Joey Loperfido traded for a rental that got you zero playoff wins.
wasn't his fault he got zero playoff wins. Joey Loperfido will be "Joey Who? in a short time. Hell we might be able to get him back when the Jays DFA him.
Im not blaming the pitcher. I'm blaming management. Don't trade a young exciting player for a rental when you aren't close to competing for a title / have no guarantees of resigning the rental. That's the surefire way to mediocrity.


Winning the division in a year where 4 good pitchers are out for the year, Verlander was showing his age and we had our MVP candidate out for the trade deadline stretch is still a pretty good salvage by the front office. If we hadn't made the Kikuchi trade we would have had a lot less exciting end to the season and that equals money for the team by keeping the dominant streak alive.
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It's no surprise the Phillies are looking for an outfielder. In a scenario where Alex Bregman (doesn't sign with the Astros), what are the chances they then trade Kyle Tucker to retool their roster? The Phillies could start with a package of something like Alec Bohm, Ranger Surez and some prospect(s) to get a deal done. Tom Y.

Tucker is the Astros' best all-around player and although they haven't been able to sign him to a long-term contract yet, they've made it clear to me they are not trading him period, end of discussion. If they were to trade him, your proposed package would not be close to enough to land him.

What would a return for Framber Valdez look like for the Astros? They are deep in starting pitching and have a better track record of producing a replacement starting pitcher than, say, one for Tucker in the outfielder, so if they trade one, to me Framber would make more sense. Michael D.

The Valdez market would have to wait until this year's class of free-agent starters led by Corbin Burnes, Roki Sasaki, Max Fried and Blake Snell signs. Once that occurs, the teams that miss out might be willing to offer prospect packages for Valdez. But keep in mind, the Astros are trying to win now and have no interest in sacrificing that to build for the future at least not in 2025. So I think it's highly unlikely they will trade him. However, in concept, the return would be a package of two good prospects and one solid prospect.
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That deal for Tucker - Suarez, Bohm and prospects. Those would have to be 3 of their very top prospects at minimum to make this deal do-able....
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Suarez is a free agent after 2025 so he doesn't make sense. Think you'd need to get Sanchez in a deal and maybe dump Pressly for someone like Kerkering. That would lower your prospect haul but gets enough big league pieces that signing here is still appealing to Bregman (or another of the mid tier free agents).
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Wabs said:

That deal for Tucker - Suarez, Bohm and prospects. Those would have to be 3 of their very top prospects at minimum to make this deal do-able....
I am not sure you get 3 top prospects alone for Tucker. Add in big leaguers with value and the prospect package wouldn't be impressive.
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Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:

That deal for Tucker - Suarez, Bohm and prospects. Those would have to be 3 of their very top prospects at minimum to make this deal do-able....
I am not sure you get 3 top prospects alone for Tucker. Add in big leaguers with value and the prospect package wouldn't be impressive.
I don't see "alot" of big league value in Bohm or Suarez. Maybe I'm wrong? That's why I say if it's those two then I'd want top-level prospects added in, with at least one of them MLB-ready within a year. I suppose we could soften the requirement a bit if the Phillies would be willing to take Pressly off our hands.

If we don't re-sign Breggy (likely), then I wouldn't mind adding both Bohm and Brett Baty (Mets) to see if either would be a longer term fix at 3B.
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Wabs said:

Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:

That deal for Tucker - Suarez, Bohm and prospects. Those would have to be 3 of their very top prospects at minimum to make this deal do-able....
I am not sure you get 3 top prospects alone for Tucker. Add in big leaguers with value and the prospect package wouldn't be impressive.
I don't see "alot" of big league value in Bohm or Suarez. Maybe I'm wrong? That's why I say if it's those two then I'd want top-level prospects added in, with at least one of them MLB-ready within a year. I suppose we could soften the requirement a bit if the Phillies would be willing to take Pressly off our hands.

If we don't re-sign Breggy (likely), then I wouldn't mind adding both Bohm and Brett Baty (Mets) to see if either would be a longer term fix at 3B.


Here is what baseball trade values has each.
Bohm - 24.9
Suarez - 20.1
Tucker - 30.3

According to them those two alone would be an overpay for Tucker. The idea is 3 years of above average players (1 year Suarez, 2 years of Bohm) is better than 1 year of a very good player.

Those 2 would be short window go for it guys. They dont make sense if we're trading away Tucker.
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Ahh, gotcha. Didn't realize either of them had that kind of value.

I agree it doesn't make sense to trade Tucker for "go for it now" guys. Would need to be prospects that could help in 2026 and beyond....

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Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:

Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:

That deal for Tucker - Suarez, Bohm and prospects. Those would have to be 3 of their very top prospects at minimum to make this deal do-able....
I am not sure you get 3 top prospects alone for Tucker. Add in big leaguers with value and the prospect package wouldn't be impressive.
I don't see "alot" of big league value in Bohm or Suarez. Maybe I'm wrong? That's why I say if it's those two then I'd want top-level prospects added in, with at least one of them MLB-ready within a year. I suppose we could soften the requirement a bit if the Phillies would be willing to take Pressly off our hands.

If we don't re-sign Breggy (likely), then I wouldn't mind adding both Bohm and Brett Baty (Mets) to see if either would be a longer term fix at 3B.


Here is what baseball trade values has each.
Bohm - 24.9
Suarez - 20.1
Tucker - 30.3

According to them those two alone would be an overpay for Tucker. The idea is 3 years of above average players (1 year Suarez, 2 years of Bohm) is better than 1 year of a very good player.

Those 2 would be short window go for it guys. They dont make sense if we're trading away Tucker.
Agreed from a pure numbers standpoint. However, teams are going to have to overpay to pry Tucker, which is also the only situation in which he should be traded. The Phils have already questioned Bohm's maturity so, while he has value, I'm not sure he's someone either the Phils or Astros want to invest in long term. Trading for Tucker also gives a leg up to that team in extending him (which the Phillies can afford).

If you are able to get Bohm, Sanchez and Kerkering for Tucker and Pressly, are you making that trade? It's an overpay for the Phils and not particularly sexy for us but solves a lot of problems. It also allows you to flip Framber for a lefty OF / 1B bat to replace Tucker.
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More talk about Adames to 3B and Astro in the mix:

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Nov. 26: Astros, Phillies, Red Sox showing interest in Adames as 3B (reports)
Adames has played his entire seven-year career at shortstop and has been a plus defender in the position in the past three years according to outs above average. However, the 29-year-old is reportedly open to playing third base "for the right deal and the right team," according to MLB Network insider Jon Paul Morosi.

That apparent willingness has at least three teams considering Adames at the hot corner: The Astros, Phillies and Red Sox.

Morosi said Tuesday that the Astros are interested in Adames as a third baseman. Houston would have a clear need at the position if it can't re-sign Alex Bregman. The Phillies' interest, according to USA Today's Bob Nightengale, is contingent upon the team trading third baseman Alec Bohm as part of a package for White Sox left-hander Garrett Crochet. If such a deal is struck, Nightengale reports that Philadelphia "is expected to make a strong play" for Adames or Bregman.

Nightengale adds that Boston has "strong interest" in Adames. The Red Sox currently have veteran Trevor Story at shortstop and perennial All-Star Rafael Devers at third, but the Red Sox have reportedly discussed moving Devers to a different position, which could open the door for Adames. He would also provide some depth at short where Story has played only 163 games overall in three seasons since joining the Red Sox.

Tags giving his pitch for Bregman (Det and Phi writers doing it as well)


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Why Bregman makes the most sense for…

Astros: He's arguably the Astros' most popular player behind Jose Altuve when it comes to Houston's run of success over the last decade. Plus, his wife is from Houston and he's put down some roots in Texas. Bregman said at the end of the season he'd like to remain with the Astros, who took him with the No. 2 overall pick in the 2015 Draft out of LSU. The Astros, who have won seven of the past eight AL West titles and have been to the World Series four times since 2017, are still in a win-now mode, and winning is all Bregman has known. They made the ALCS in his first seven full seasons in the big leagues before falling short last season. Altuve practically pleaded with the Astros to keep Bregman in Houston when the season ended, and owner Jim Crane later admitted Altuve's words carry meaning. -- Brian McTaggart


What will each team's best "pitch" be?

Astros: Bregman will turn 31 at the start of next season, so a six- or seven-year contract extension means he'll probably finish his career in Houston. Altuve's extension prior to last season will keep him in Houston until he's 39 years old, and Bregman could join him as an "Astro for life" if he re-signs with Houston. Altuve desperately wants to Bregman to return, and the two -- the only remaining position players who were on both of Houston's championship teams -- could finish their careers in Houston as the faces of the golden era of baseball in Houston, the same way Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio were the faces of an Astros team that made the playoffs six times from 1997-2005 (1997-99, '01, '04-05). -- McTaggart


What's the biggest hurdle that could stand in the way of Bregman signing?

Astros: Simply put, money. Crane isn't a believer in signing free agents to lengthy deals, which is why the team has let players like George Springer, Gerrit Cole and Carlos Correa walk in years past. And the fact the Astros have continued to win at a high level even though so many key players have left in free agency proves it's been a good strategy. Crane has never guaranteed more than five years to a free agent, and the biggest deal he's given to any player is the $151 million Altuve received with his extension in 2018. The baseline for a Bregman deal may be the six-year, $151 million third baseman Matt Chapman -- also a Scott Boras client -- received from the Giants in September. Regardless, it will take a club-record deal to keep Bregman in Houston. -- McTaggart


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I would be willing to bet Adames outplays Bregman over the course of each's next respective contract. That said, acquiring someone with a QO attached for a second consecutive year is going to cause continuing issues with the farm.
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Wouldn't losing someone with one attached help soften the blow?
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Ag_07 said:

Wouldn't losing someone with one attached would help soften the blow?


This. No different than Bregman.
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Ag_07 said:

Wouldn't losing someone with one attached would help soften the blow?
What you get back, especially as a team over the tax threshold, is significantly less than what you give up. We would get a 4th round pick while losing a 2nd, 5th and $1M in international spending money (we only get about $6M to begin with).
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What deal does Adames want? What's being reported?
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I suspect he will get basically what Bregman will get.
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Did he really though? His .646 OPS says otherwise
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tjack16 said:



Did he really though? His .646 OPS says otherwise


This is a prime example of good marketing gone bad
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This makes no sense. He's still a plus defensive 3B.

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Almost all of his remaining value is on gold glove defense at 3B. Why would anyone have interest in a rapidly declining bat at 1B?
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Rich get richer
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Un****in real.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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Sports are gay
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I'm sure the Japanese pitcher is inevitable too. **** LA
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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