***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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where will Cam slot in the batting order?
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Man they must be desperate
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W said:

where will Cam slot in the batting order?

I think I would go with something like this

Altuve LF
Paredes 3B
Alvarez DH
Walker 1B
Diaz C
Smith RF
Pena SS
Dubon/Rodgers 2B
Meyers CF
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Forever and always eff the rangers
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When we were in different leagues I used to pull for them.

After Harvey, they are more than dead to me.

**** the Tetas!
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Hornbeck said:

When we were in different leagues I used to pull for them.

After Harvey, they are more than dead to me.

**** the Tetas!


Exactly where I'm at.
Cesspool represent!!
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GigEmMortis said:

W said:

where will Cam slot in the batting order?

I think I would go with something like this

Altuve LF
Paredes 3B
Alvarez DH
Walker 1B
Diaz C
Smith RF
Pena SS
Dubon/Rodgers 2B
Meyers CF
I agree 6-7 is probably the most likely spot for him.
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Rogers has ultimate backup quarterback appeal to me right now. Like if he hits. 250 and plays decent defense I'll act like he's God on Earth vs Dubon
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I think Rodgers is an intriguing pickup. Like a lot of Rockies, there's a significant discrepancy in his home and road splits. However, if he can make an adjustment to elevate the balls he puts in play, he can offset the Coors effect. He's got good exit velo and hard hit percentage. He just hits way too many ground balls; 56.5% last season.

Using 2024 as a comparison:

Rodgers had an average exit velo of 89.1 and hard hit % of 44.3.

Paredes had an average exit velo of 85.0 and hard hit % of 27.1. But he elevated the ball much better, hitting only 30.9% on the ground.

For someone we watched more, Bregman also had an average exit velo of 89.1 with a hard hit % of 40.7. But like Paredes, elevates better with only 36.5% ground balls.

I'm assuming Rodgers makes the team, so that will be something that's interesting to track over the first month or so of the season.
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I'm still bitter about the move to the AL, so I'm pretty much meh regarding the Rangers. Don't like them, don't hate them. The Dodgers, however...

I hope Rogers gets every chance to show what he can do. I agree with the thoughts above that someone with his skills would be a contributor.
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Farmer1906 said:

Is it time to start paying attention to Cesar Salazar? His swing is looking strong this spring. The org loves his defense and ability to manage his pitcher/call a game. If the bat comes around, he could have some serious value paired with Yainer for the next 5 years.

3 Run HR 3/8

Grand Slam 3/13

I know, I know ST stats.

.368 BA
.455 OBP
.737 SLG
1.191 OPS
13.6% BB%
4.5% K%

Not striking out, drawing walks, hitting the ball hard. A lot to like in this small 22 PA sample.
I came across one more piece of data that is worthwhile.

2024 Bat Speed: 67.7
2025 Spring Training Bat Speed: 71.9 - small sample because not all the swings were tracked on baseball savant, but good to know.

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AggiEE said:

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The kid has only had 32 ABs at AA and not played much RF.

You want that guy to start at RF for a team that can win the division and has goals of winning a WS because he had a good spring training against pitchers that aren't even Nestor Cortez?

Is the majors where you want him working on things if he hits a slump? Because you have to decide how long you're going to let him slump at the ML level if you have him there before moving him down. Is that 2 weeks? 3? 4?

You have other options, and it feels like forcing something you don't need to force while taking the chance you don't mentally make things harder for him by not being able to work the failure at the appropriate level.


Yes, give him a shot. He's exceeded all expectations in ST.

He deserves it

Our other options are poor. Singleton? Hummel? No thanks
I'm assuming in your scenario Dezenzo is also on the team. The reports have been the decision has ultimately been between Dezenzo and Smith, so if that's the case, Dezenzo deserves it more than Smith in my opiniion.

Alex Bregman went 19-for-124 (0.153) in his first 30 games, and that's with 314 ABs between AA and AAA. You said if Smith isn't doing great, just send him back down. Again, my question is how long are you willing to ride around a 0.200 average run from Smith, who has just 32 ABs at the AA level, if the Astros start as they did last year in Mar/Apr/May (0.431 winning %)?
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I'm still trying to decide how meaningful that stat is. As an average, wouldn't it include pitches where you are fooled and just waiving at it? Also someone could bring up their bat speed by using a lighter bat but I'm not sure the net effect is meaningful.
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He's one of the reasons I've been ok with trading Caratini if they could.

If they don't trade Caratini, I'm also good keeping Salazar as a 3rd catcher if it means Caratini gets to play some 1B. I think that's a lot of flexibility out of the catcher position the org could have.
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MaxPower said:

I'm still trying to decide how meaningful that stat is. As an average, wouldn't it include pitches where you are fooled and just waiving at it? Also someone could bring up their bat speed by using a lighter bat but I'm not sure the net effect is meaningful.
I don't disagree as there are too many variables that could change.

However, I don't think it including pitches you were fooled at and were just swinging at, if it includes that, matters all that much because you would assume most guys are swinging the same regardless, right?

I see where it CAN be insightful as faster bat speed might = higher exit velo.

But, I think it's kind of a niche stat that is interesting to have and I don't think it's useful for short-term. Where I do think it's useful is long term as the sample is huge over all the ABs and you can see a trend if bat speed has decreased later in the players career for an evaluation.
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MaxPower said:

I'm still trying to decide how meaningful that stat is. As an average, wouldn't it include pitches where you are fooled and just waiving at it? Also someone could bring up their bat speed by using a lighter bat but I'm not sure the net effect is meaningful.
It's not perfect, especially in a vacuum. But look at the list of the fastest bat speeds. There is more than one way to be a successful hitter, but generally, it's good to have more bat speed.







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I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.
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Fair. I would argue bat speed (mixed with swing length) is more of a leading indicator and exit velo is more of a lagging indicator.
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MaxPower said:

I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.

There's only so much range players can use in bat weights and still meet MLB rules/specs.

Besides, you can't convince me that there's a measurable difference in average bat speed that can be achieved when a 200# elite athlete swings a 31oz bat vs. a 32oz bat. At best there might be some tiny differences in feel based on the balance of a bat and even then, dealing with a wood bat the ability to control that is extremely limited.

There's no specific minimum weight in MLB bats but they cannot be more than a -3 and I can't imagine a grown man swinging a 29" or 30" bat.

With composite or alloy bats that are used in HS and college you still have weight & performance constraints but you can much more easily shift the balance from an end-loaded to balanced and so forth.
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TarponChaser said:

MaxPower said:

I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.

There's only so much range players can use in bat weights and still meet MLB rules/specs.

Besides, you can't convince me that there's a measurable difference in average bat speed that can be achieved when a 200# elite athlete swings a 31oz bat vs. a 32oz bat. At best there might be some tiny differences in feel based on the balance of a bat and even then, dealing with a wood bat the ability to control that is extremely limited.

There's no specific minimum weight in MLB bats but they cannot be more than a -3 and I can't imagine a grown man swinging a 29" or 30" bat.

With composite or alloy bats that are used in HS and college you still have weight & performance constraints but you can much more easily shift the balance from an end-loaded to balanced and so forth.
Ted Williams would send bats back if they were even 0.5 oz over his requested weight. He may be an outlier, but he obviously believed it mattered.
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TarponChaser said:

MaxPower said:

I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.

There's only so much range players can use in bat weights and still meet MLB rules/specs.

Besides, you can't convince me that there's a measurable difference in average bat speed that can be achieved when a 200# elite athlete swings a 31oz bat vs. a 32oz bat. At best there might be some tiny differences in feel based on the balance of a bat and even then, dealing with a wood bat the ability to control that is extremely limited.

There's no specific minimum weight in MLB bats but they cannot be more than a -3 and I can't imagine a grown man swinging a 29" or 30" bat.

With composite or alloy bats that are used in HS and college you still have weight & performance constraints but you can much more easily shift the balance from an end-loaded to balanced and so forth.
It can be up to 42 inches and some guys have gone as low as 32 inches. That's a pretty wide range to work with. Shape is harder. I assume every bat is maximum width but what % of that bat is at maximum width? I don't know.
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Red Five said:

TarponChaser said:

MaxPower said:

I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.

There's only so much range players can use in bat weights and still meet MLB rules/specs.

Besides, you can't convince me that there's a measurable difference in average bat speed that can be achieved when a 200# elite athlete swings a 31oz bat vs. a 32oz bat. At best there might be some tiny differences in feel based on the balance of a bat and even then, dealing with a wood bat the ability to control that is extremely limited.

There's no specific minimum weight in MLB bats but they cannot be more than a -3 and I can't imagine a grown man swinging a 29" or 30" bat.

With composite or alloy bats that are used in HS and college you still have weight & performance constraints but you can much more easily shift the balance from an end-loaded to balanced and so forth.
Ted Williams would send bats back if they were even 0.5 oz over his requested weight. He may be an outlier, but he obviously believed it mattered.

I would tend to believe that was Williams being his usual ******* self and it's akin to Van Halen's famous contract riders about "no brown M&M's" or whatever.
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MaxPower said:

TarponChaser said:

MaxPower said:

I dunno. I see a lot of huge guys who swing hard and miss a lot. Yeah obviously swinging harder should mean more EV but why not just focus on EV? Seems this is only meaningful for a team when helping a player choose a bat. If your swing is slow, maybe consider a lighter bat. If your swing is already elite maybe go for a bigger bat that has more surface area to increase contact rates.

There's only so much range players can use in bat weights and still meet MLB rules/specs.

Besides, you can't convince me that there's a measurable difference in average bat speed that can be achieved when a 200# elite athlete swings a 31oz bat vs. a 32oz bat. At best there might be some tiny differences in feel based on the balance of a bat and even then, dealing with a wood bat the ability to control that is extremely limited.

There's no specific minimum weight in MLB bats but they cannot be more than a -3 and I can't imagine a grown man swinging a 29" or 30" bat.

With composite or alloy bats that are used in HS and college you still have weight & performance constraints but you can much more easily shift the balance from an end-loaded to balanced and so forth.
It can be up to 42 inches and some guys have gone as low as 32 inches. That's a pretty wide range to work with. Shape is harder. I assume every bat is maximum width but what % of that bat is at maximum width? I don't know.
Maximum diameter is 2.61" and the taper from barrel to handle would dictate weight.
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Its time to make your 2025 Predictions

Record:
Division Finish: if not us, then who wins it?
Playoffs: Yes or No + Wild Card, Win Division, or Win Division & Get a Bye
Team MVP:
Team ROY:
1-3 Bold Predictions (positive):
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative):

Feel free at add other categories.
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Record: 92-70
Division Finish: 1st
Playoffs: Win Division (no bye)
Team MVP: Yordan (boring take)
Team ROY: Dezenzo
1-3 Bold Predictions (positive):
  • Lance McCullers is all the way back. 130+ IP with a sub 3.5 ERA
  • Paredes outplays Bregman (more HR, higher wRC+)
  • The rotation ends up finish top 3 in the AL across major key categories.
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative):
  • Altuve starts to look his age offensively. Still better than average, but not in the silver slugger / All-MLB conversation.
  • The bullpen has some nice surprises, but overall its kind of mid. Hader and Abreu are good, not great.
  • The second base black hole is a major storyline this season (hopefully, we address at the deadline)
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Record: 94-68
Division Finish: Astros
Playoffs: lose in the ALCS in seven games
Team MVP: Issac Paredes
Team ROY: Cam Smith
1-3 Bold Predictions (positive): Altuve shows he can handle LF full time, Cam Smith comes on works his way into a top 5 lineup spot, Yainer gets 30 home runs
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative): Meyers performs so poorly he gets sent down to AAA, Yordan gets hurt and misses a month or so, Dubon takes step back and is no longer our Swiss Army knife
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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Record: 92-70
Division Finish: 1st
Playoffs: Win Division, Win ALDS, Lose ALCS
Team MVP: Christian Walker
Team ROY: Miguel Ullola
1-3 Bold Predictions (positive):
  • Paredes hits 34 HRs; 23 at home.
  • Forrest Whitley emerges as high-leverage reliever
  • Altuve makes the All-Star game as an outfielder (but doesn't attend)
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative):
  • McCullers ends the season on the IL
  • McCormick gets DFA'd
  • Cam Smith spends most of the season in the minors
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Record: 91-71

Division Finish: if not us, then who wins it? We win it.

Playoffs: Yes or No + Wild Card, Win Division, or Win Division & Get a Bye Yes, Win but no bye.

Team MVP: Yordonger

Team ROY: no clue, but if its Smith that would mean very good things. I'm not sure I expect that though

1-3 Bold Predictions (positive):
  • Lance is back! I mean its Lance of old.. Mr Bulldog.
  • Jake from Rake Farm has a good year, by his standards. Hes better than ML average in CF
  • Parades kills the crawford boxes
  • A's finish in 2nd and make the WC. Rangers finish 8 games under and cant pitch.
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative):
  • We dont see Garcia until June at best and Javier at best not until August. 50/50 on not at all.
  • Chas is broken
  • One of the starters goes down mid season and needs TJ
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Farmer1906 said:

Record: 92-89
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Farmer1906 said:

Its time to make your 2025 Predictions

Record: 89-73
Division Finish: if not us, then who wins it? Us - by the skin of our teeth
Playoffs: Win Division, Face the Tigers/Twins as Wild Card team, Win that and lose in ALDS
Team MVP: Jeremy Pena

Team ROY: Cam Smith
1-3 Bold Predictions (positive): Alvarez hits 50 bombs, LMJ throws 120 innings
1-3 Bold Predictions (negative): We lose another starting pitcher to TJ, We regret not retaining Bregman as he goes on a 1 year tear in Boston (F that guy)

Feel free at add other categories.
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iBrad said:

Farmer1906 said:

Record: 92-89


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