***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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I like it. Like the tweet said, low risk high reward. Some more to do, but Dana continuing with a solid offseason.
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Cheap cheap cheap. I'd be down for 1-2 more like this.

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Farmer1906 said:

Cheap cheap cheap. I'd be down for 1-2 more like this.




Castro is the kind of guy the Astros sign and suddenly starts dealing with nasty, nasty stuff. The next Cristian Javier.
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I don't mind it. Especially in 2025 if you are able to move Pressly. Taking several flyers and one of them panning out for the year until more money is available in 2026 would be awesome.
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Kind of a different route and stuff but, yes, the Astros pitching lab can work on him. His slider is already ridiculously nasty. We just need to get something to complement it.
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Farmer1906 said:

Kind of a different route and stuff but, yes, the Astros pitching lab can work on him. His slider is already ridiculously nasty. We just need to get something to complement it.


I'm referring to the Astros ability to find a guy who has nasty stuff but underperforms everywhere else and suddenly is a stud once they get him in their lab.
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Farmer1906 said:

Kind of a different route and stuff but, yes, the Astros pitching lab can work on him. His slider is already ridiculously nasty. We just need to get something to complement it.

Hoping for the best, but probability is that he's a Montero replacement without the salary
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If you keep building a pool of guys like Castro, Montero, Whitley, etc., you increase the likelihood of finding a serviceable bullpen piece or two. If nothing else, it's depth to help when injuries bite. Maybe he can at least be a guy who can eat 40 innings and keep his ERA around 4 to reduce the load on other arms. Maybe he's this year's Tayler Scott. At worst, you cut him.
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That's wild because we lose 4 draft picks in the top 2 rounds and had a ton of success outside the draft in I get national signings.
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Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
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Cardinals average 2.9 WAR per player that reaches is pretty crazy stat.
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Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
they moved most of the good ones to to big club.
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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

Cardinals average 2.9 WAR per player that reaches is pretty crazy stat.
The Rangerettes are under 1.
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Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.
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txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?

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txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.
They were still players from our system, promoted and being successful in the majors.
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Farmer1906 said:

txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?




Laureano
Teoscar
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astros4545 said:

Farmer1906 said:

txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?




Laureano
Teoscar



Teoscar was an international signing.

Laureano is outside the window. But that is probably the best answer.
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Farmer1906 said:

astros4545 said:

Farmer1906 said:

txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?




Laureano
Teoscar



Teoscar was an international signing.

Laureano is outside the window. But that is probably the best answer.
Myles Straw has a 7.7 bWAR lifetime. That's a fair chunk.
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Farmer1906 said:

astros4545 said:

Farmer1906 said:

txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?




Laureano
Teoscar



Teoscar was an international signing.

Laureano is outside the window. But that is probably the best answer.
Was the window 2015-2024 or 2014-2023?
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txags92 said:

Farmer1906 said:

astros4545 said:

Farmer1906 said:

txags92 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Something something…the Astros have the worst minors in the league…something something.
That didn't say the WAR was accomplished in the Astros system, just that it was our draft picks doing it, wherever they were playing.


Who were our draft picks that did really well outside of our org?




Laureano
Teoscar



Teoscar was an international signing.

Laureano is outside the window. But that is probably the best answer.
Was the window 2015-2024 or 2014-2023?


I assume last 10 years means the last 10 drafts. 15-24.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Thats 100% on the 1B coach
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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Never seen that before.
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Happened to my high school. Bases loaded walk in the bottom of the last inning of a tie game. Batter went halfway to 1st, then ran to celebrate with the runner on 2nd. Called out, no run scored.

There were fewer than 2 outs so they kept playing and ended up winning, anyway.

At the MLB level, the runner should know he has to touch 1st, but I agree the 1B coach is the biggest to blame.
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I guess we didn't hear about it before because there are only like 235 people at that game.
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A little Altuve love for the last day of 2024 as he further assaults the franchise record book heading into next year.

Games Played: He's 4th with 1,821. He needs 50 to pass Jose Cruz for third.

At-bats: He's 3rd with 7,293. He needs 505 to pass Bagwell for second.

Runs: He's 3rd with 1,156. Needs about 360 to catch Bagwell for second.

Hits: He's 3rd with 2,232. Needs 73 to pass Bagwell for second..

Doubles: He's 3rd with 431. Needs 58 to pass Bagwell for second. Assuming Bregman is done in the H, he leave #7 in career doubles with 265.

Home Runs: He's 4th with 229. Needs 63 to pass Biggio for third. Bregman finishes 6th with 191. Yordan already 9th with 164, and if healthy, could pass Bregman, Springer (174), and Glenn Davis (166) this year.

RBI: He's 5th with 812. Needs 131 to pass Jose Cruz for 4th. Bregman finishes 9th at 663.

Walks: Altuve is 7th with 600. He needs 78 to pass Joe Morgan for 6th.

Steals: He's third with 315. He needs 100 to pass Biggio for 2nd.

Sac Flies: He's 8th with 47. He needs 2 to pass Jimmy Wynn, 3 to pass Berkman, 6 to pass Bob Watson, and 10 to pass Cedeno.
















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I'd wager Jose stays productive longer than Breggy.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Reminds me of Merkle's Bonehead Play that cost the NY Giants the 1908 NL Pennant.
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Merkle's Boner is one of the most prominent incidents in the history of major league baseball. It occurred in 1908 and involved many future Hall of Fame players.

Fred Merkle was a 19-year-old player filling in for veteran Fred Tenney at first base for the New York Giants when the famous play occurred. During the first decade of the 1900s, the top National League teams were the Pittsburgh Pirates, the New York Giants, and the Chicago Cubs. During the 1908 season, the Giants and Cubs were in a close battle for first place. The Cubs had previously won the pennant in 1906 and 1907, while the Giants had won in 1904 and 1905.

A few days prior to the game in which the play occurred, Cubs captain and eventual Hall of Famer Johnny Evers warned an umpire that he was going to insist on the umpires calling a runner out if he failed to touch the succeeding base at the end of a game. It was common, at the time, if a batter batted home a runner who was on third base to win a game, for a runner on first base to just leave the field instead of bothering to touch second base. The player whom Evers had seen supposedly failing to touch second base was Warren Gill in a game played on September 4th between the Cubs and the Pittsburgh Pirates.

On the day in question, September 23rd, the exact same situation happened in New York. Moose McCormick was the runner on third base, and when pitcher Jack Pfiester's offering was hit into the outfield by batter Al Bridwell, McCormick ran home, scoring what he thought was the winning run, and ran into the clubhouse.

Fred Merkle was on first base, and he ran toward second base. Whether he actually reached second base has been disputed over the decades. At some point, he veered off as if to run off the field.

Evers yelled at umpire and eventual Hall of Famer Hank O'Day, who was the same man that he had warned a few days earlier. Christy Mathewson, the famous Giants pitcher and eventual Hall of Famer, very quickly saw what was happening, and ran onto the field to stop Merkle from leaving.

Meanwhile, the ball had been hit into the outfield, and was picked up by outfielder Solly Hofman. Hofman at first didn't think there was any rush to return the ball to the infield, but Evers screamed at him to throw it to second base to get a force out on Merkle.

Another famous Giant and eventual Hall of Famer, Ironman Joe McGinnity was coaching at third base that day and saw what was happening. He ran over to second base. As that was happening, the Giant fans in the stands, thinking the game was over, were streaming onto the field. At least one of them was near second base, and as the ball came from the outfield toward second base, he and McGinnity and Evers engaged in a struggle to catch and control the ball, at the same time as Mathewson was manoeuvering Merkle. The fan ended up getting control of the ball, and heaved it into the stands, where it disappeared. An alternate version claims that Rube Kroh, a Chicago pitcher, wrestled the ball from the fan and gave it to Evers, who touched second base.

First baseman and eventual Hall of Famer Frank Chance was the Cubs' player/manager, and he came out of the dugout to argue his team's case with the umpire, who had not given any ruling as to whether the winning run had scored. This was somewhat dangerous, as the Giants fans were all over the field, and while Chance argued, many of the fans got quite angry with him.

Not to be outdone, the Giant manager, eventual Hall of Famer John McGraw, came out to argue the Giant side of the story. The umpire listened to both sides, gathered the other umpire, Bob Emslie, and went into the umpires' room (which was merely a "cage" of metal bars under the stands), where they tried to discuss the problem amidst the raucous yelling of Giant fans trying to influence the decision.

The police were called as a result of the pandemonium, and the Cubs team had to be escorted by the police from the stadium in front of thousands of angry Giant fans.

The umpires ruled the next day that Merkle had not touched second base, and therefore that the Giants had not won the game. The league president eventually ruled that the game was a tie and had to be replayed in its entirety. When it was replayed, the Cubs won. At the end of the season, the Cubs finished one game ahead of the Giants for the pennant. Johnny Evers' smart move had won the pennant for the Cubs against the Giants.
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1908 huh? So the 89 in your handle stands for 1889, right?
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