This year is cursed man. We can't seem to win / enjoy a good game without someone going down with an injury.
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So I guess Seager will continue to jog the bases the rest of the season…take the bat for what it's worth I guess
I have zero faith this is a one day thing. It feels like EVERY injury, bump or bruise has turned into way more than expected with this club this year. Jung's hand? worse than expected? Sborz's shoulder? Two DL stints. Eovaldi miss a start or two? DL stint. Carter has back tightness? DL for month. Jon Gray, Scherzer set back, on and on,
Agreed.
The more and more this stuff happens, it just makes me think it's the Bochy curse.. like back when he was in San Fran and they won every other year. Maybe that's it lol
Yep. I would totally take an embarrassing 50 win season and losing every game to the Astros if it meant we would win the title again in 2026 and 2028.MrCoachEricTaylor said:
The more and more this stuff happens, it just makes me think it's the Bochy curse.. like back when he was in San Fran and they won every other year. Maybe that's it lol
Sucks cause seager was on a heater. Maybe 2-3 weeks off will benefit us in the long run. He can rest up and get healthy to push for a playoff spot.
FIFY.Grapesoda2525 said:
This year is cursed man.WeYOU can't seem to win / enjoy a good game without someone going down with an injury.
I'm a different breed, I suppose.
Negatives:
Seager left early due to a hammy concern.
Positives:
Urena went 6.2, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6K <- Gives up one bad pitch... a solo shot HR, but otherwise milks this thing dry.
Robertson: 1.1, 1 H, 0 BB, 3K <- Strikes out 3 of 4 outs.
Yates: 1.0, 0 H, 0ER, 0BB, 2 K
Heim: 3 for 5, with a HR
Smith: 3 ofr 4 with a HR <- A freaking HR.
Team went 12 for 37 with 6BBs and scored 7 Runs.
We got the W.
Mariners lost to the A's. We close a GB.
Astros lost. We pick up a G.
And some people want to piss and moan.
I don't get it. Baseball is a game based on failure and we did anything but fail, yesterday.
Enjoy baseball... we'll run out the players available and they'll bust their ass to try to win.
CYoung strategy.
What's the hardest thing to fix or overcome during the season?! Injuries to the SP. It will sink a team and led to CY bringing in Scherzer and Monty to help. But, even before that, CY had built this team on: Seager+Semien in the lineup... and then bunches of SP.
It is why we are doing well. It is why when the IL gets healthy, it doesn't seem like that will fix our problems. The truth is, IMO, it is why we don't have much in terms of fixing the lineup.
We have limited position players and most are questionable.
Smith, Duran
Jung, Foscue
Then, Wendzel, Huff, Ornelas, Harris... not much.
And yet, we have a ton of SP... even some not good ones (Winn, White, Leiter).
It is why we have Urena and Lorenzen and Mahle. You know the SP is going to get injured and 2 guys injured means 40% of SP and now you're rolling Leiter. But, we've had Bradford, Gray, Eovaldi, and Dunning all dinged up and yet, we're 6th in the AL for SP ERA. Heaney has been the only one to not miss a GS.
Sure, losing Jung has been huge, but Smith and Duran last year filled in to limit the impact.
Come trade deadline, if our lineup is still struggling, we'll more easily fill that gap than if we were looking for a SP. As it turns out (and this has been repeated) we have "trade deadline additions" coming in the form of Mahle and deGrom. May be nothing, but at least makes it look less desperate on paper.
I'd much rather be looking for a LF than a SP.
What's the hardest thing to fix or overcome during the season?! Injuries to the SP. It will sink a team and led to CY bringing in Scherzer and Monty to help. But, even before that, CY had built this team on: Seager+Semien in the lineup... and then bunches of SP.
It is why we are doing well. It is why when the IL gets healthy, it doesn't seem like that will fix our problems. The truth is, IMO, it is why we don't have much in terms of fixing the lineup.
We have limited position players and most are questionable.
Smith, Duran
Jung, Foscue
Then, Wendzel, Huff, Ornelas, Harris... not much.
And yet, we have a ton of SP... even some not good ones (Winn, White, Leiter).
It is why we have Urena and Lorenzen and Mahle. You know the SP is going to get injured and 2 guys injured means 40% of SP and now you're rolling Leiter. But, we've had Bradford, Gray, Eovaldi, and Dunning all dinged up and yet, we're 6th in the AL for SP ERA. Heaney has been the only one to not miss a GS.
Sure, losing Jung has been huge, but Smith and Duran last year filled in to limit the impact.
Come trade deadline, if our lineup is still struggling, we'll more easily fill that gap than if we were looking for a SP. As it turns out (and this has been repeated) we have "trade deadline additions" coming in the form of Mahle and deGrom. May be nothing, but at least makes it look less desperate on paper.
I'd much rather be looking for a LF than a SP.
This update came in last night:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/rangers-notes-carter-mahle-bradford-foscue.html
More good news. Just in time to fill in for Seager?!
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/rangers-notes-carter-mahle-bradford-foscue.html
Good and bad. Bad he was playing through an injury. Good... maybe he isn't as bad this season as his numbers indicate.Quote:
Carter admitted he played through back discomfort for a couple weeks before the IL placement. That certainly could've played a role in his middling offense.
Lottery card looking good. Even if only a mid-rotation guy who gets limited action, he could be a help in the BP.Quote:
Texas received better news on a few other injured players this week. Offseason signee Tyler Mahle threw to hitters on Wednesday for the first time in his recovery from Tommy John surgery (link via Shawn McFarland of the Dallas Morning News). Mahle is ticketed for three more live sessions before he could head on a minor league rehab stint. If all goes smoothly, he should be on track for his Rangers debut a couple weeks after the All-Star Break.
Bonus addition when he returns.Quote:
Bradford has been out since mid-April with a stress fracture in his rib. The southpaw told reporters that he has progressed to throwing from 120 feet on flat ground
Quote:
Foscue will be eligible for reinstatement in the next few days and seems to be on track for a return. Texas assigned him to the Arizona complex league to begin a rehab assignment tonight.
More good news. Just in time to fill in for Seager?!
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the texas rangers' record josh jung in the lineup since 2023:
76-50 (.603 W%)
the texas rangers' record josh jung in the lineup since 2023:
43-53 (.448 W%)
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Jung is what's missing.
I agree. It's the absence of Jung that is killing this lineup. The numbers are all there, but it's still a little difficult to wrap my mind around it. He's a young player that has missed a considerable amount of time, but when he is in the lineup, all systems are a go.
Bingo here. It's time for the Rangers to trade some of their pitching depth away, especially when you have holes in the lineup that are so glaring. There was no need to do that last year because we had a top five offense in seemingly every category, but this year they are smack dab in the middle or worse in a lot of areas. I too would be on the lookout for a LF/DH type of bat. I would also throw 1B in the mix as well. I just don't know how much longer you can get so little slug from your first baseman.DallasAg 94 said:
CYoung strategy.
What's the hardest thing to fix or overcome during the season?! Injuries to the SP. It will sink a team and led to CY bringing in Scherzer and Monty to help. But, even before that, CY had built this team on: Seager+Semien in the lineup... and then bunches of SP.
It is why we are doing well. It is why when the IL gets healthy, it doesn't seem like that will fix our problems. The truth is, IMO, it is why we don't have much in terms of fixing the lineup.
We have limited position players and most are questionable.
Smith, Duran
Jung, Foscue
Then, Wendzel, Huff, Ornelas, Harris... not much.
And yet, we have a ton of SP... even some not good ones (Winn, White, Leiter).
It is why we have Urena and Lorenzen and Mahle. You know the SP is going to get injured and 2 guys injured means 40% of SP and now you're rolling Leiter. But, we've had Bradford, Gray, Eovaldi, and Dunning all dinged up and yet, we're 6th in the AL for SP ERA. Heaney has been the only one to not miss a GS.
Sure, losing Jung has been huge, but Smith and Duran last year filled in to limit the impact.
Come trade deadline, if our lineup is still struggling, we'll more easily fill that gap than if we were looking for a SP. As it turns out (and this has been repeated) we have "trade deadline additions" coming in the form of Mahle and deGrom. May be nothing, but at least makes it look less desperate on paper.
I'd much rather be looking for a LF than a SP.
With that being said, I would be careful if I were the Rangers at the deadline. I am not really that interested in rentals. It would be different if we were 10 games over .500 and leading the division, but we aren't. We're likely going to be in a super tight race for a spot at the end of the season, and you don't want to trade some guys away for a rental player and then miss the postseason.
Put me down for this!DallasAg 94 said:FIFY.Grapesoda2525 said:
This year is cursed man.WeYOU can't seem to win / enjoy a good game without someone going down with an injury.
I'm a different breed, I suppose.
Negatives:
Seager left early due to a hammy concern.
Positives:
Urena went 6.2, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6K <- Gives up one bad pitch... a solo shot HR, but otherwise milks this thing dry.
Robertson: 1.1, 1 H, 0 BB, 3K <- Strikes out 3 of 4 outs.
Yates: 1.0, 0 H, 0ER, 0BB, 2 K
Heim: 3 for 5, with a HR
Smith: 3 ofr 4 with a HR <- A freaking HR.
Team went 12 for 37 with 6BBs and scored 7 Runs.
We got the W.
Mariners lost to the A's. We close a GB.
Astros lost. We pick up a G.
And some people want to piss and moan.
I don't get it. Baseball is a game based on failure and we did anything but fail, yesterday.
Enjoy baseball... we'll run out the players available and they'll bust their ass to try to win.
We need Garcia to get going as well.
I am a little concerned with El Bombi...
WestTexasAg said:
We need Garcia to get going as well.
I think "part" of his problem is that he has had little protection in the lineup this season. If we can get some bats to heat up and get Jung back, Garcia will get some better pitches to hit.
But he also is who he is... meaning he is going to go on hot streaks and cold streaks. Part of the reason we got him for virtually nothing a few years back.
Tksymm7 said:Bingo here. It's time for the Rangers to trade some of their pitching depth away, especially when you have holes in the lineup that are so glaring. There was no need to do that last year because we had a top five offense in seemingly every category, but this year they are smack dab in the middle or worse in a lot of areas. I too would be on the lookout for a LF/DH type of bat. I would also throw 1B in the mix as well. I just don't know how much longer you can get so little slug from your first baseman.DallasAg 94 said:
CYoung strategy.
What's the hardest thing to fix or overcome during the season?! Injuries to the SP. It will sink a team and led to CY bringing in Scherzer and Monty to help. But, even before that, CY had built this team on: Seager+Semien in the lineup... and then bunches of SP.
It is why we are doing well. It is why when the IL gets healthy, it doesn't seem like that will fix our problems. The truth is, IMO, it is why we don't have much in terms of fixing the lineup.
We have limited position players and most are questionable.
Smith, Duran
Jung, Foscue
Then, Wendzel, Huff, Ornelas, Harris... not much.
And yet, we have a ton of SP... even some not good ones (Winn, White, Leiter).
It is why we have Urena and Lorenzen and Mahle. You know the SP is going to get injured and 2 guys injured means 40% of SP and now you're rolling Leiter. But, we've had Bradford, Gray, Eovaldi, and Dunning all dinged up and yet, we're 6th in the AL for SP ERA. Heaney has been the only one to not miss a GS.
Sure, losing Jung has been huge, but Smith and Duran last year filled in to limit the impact.
Come trade deadline, if our lineup is still struggling, we'll more easily fill that gap than if we were looking for a SP. As it turns out (and this has been repeated) we have "trade deadline additions" coming in the form of Mahle and deGrom. May be nothing, but at least makes it look less desperate on paper.
I'd much rather be looking for a LF than a SP.
With that being said, I would be careful if I were the Rangers at the deadline. I am not really that interested in rentals. It would be different if we were 10 games over .500 and leading the division, but we aren't. We're likely going to be in a super tight race for a spot at the end of the season, and you don't want to trade some guys away for a rental player and then miss the postseason.
I think 1B can be upgraded, but like I've said before, this is the exact same lineup that just won a World Series.
You want a LF that's not a rental? So you're giving up on Langford? Because that is what the Rangers expect to be the LF for the next ten years. And if not him, then Carter, although the thought there is he will be CF. Of course, the current starter that was the starter on the World Series team is 25 years old.
Second, short, third and catcher are locked down. Langford and Carter are not getting traded. If Taveras gets traded, it will be to open up a spot for Carter. So LF and CF are done. I don't expect Garcia to go anywhere, no matter if people love him or hate him in RF. He is there for the next 2-3 years. DH could be upgraded, but there aren't pure DH's like there used to be.
Just for reference, here is where we are with the position players... IMO, we don't need/want a pure DH because we have too many players that could use a break from the field:
RF: Garcia - through '26 (Arbs)
1B: Lowe - through '26 (Arbs)
_C: Heim - through '26 (Arbs)
CF: Taveras - through '27 (Arbs)
2B: Semien- through '28
3B: Jung - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
Ut: Smith - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
Ut: Duran - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
SS: Seager- through '28+
LF: Carter+Langford: 3Serf+3Arbs
Our lineup continues to be set for '25 and '26. The point of not trading for a rental would, IMO, be... don't trade a controlled position player for a rental. Trading Taveras, say... for a rental. IMO, if you are trading Taveras, then Carter and Langford are on track for Carter in CF and Langford for LF. So, you could trade for a rental DH.
Smith (.290/4HR in 60G) has been a blessing replacing Jung. He has been good... really good, but not great.
Duran (.270/1 HR in 43G) has been sufficient... last year he was really good. Not great.
Taveras (.234/4 HR in 25G; .266, 14HR in '23) looks to be returning to '23 numbers. Really, really good for a CF. Not great.
All 3 of those guys are solid, cheap, and controlled players that have good value, but could be worth upgrading for '25 & '26.
If Foscue returns and can play the formidable Util role for '25/'26... You might find trading Taveras+Smith(or Duran) for a upgrade short-term ('24+'25) and have the sending team eat salary. 3 years of control for an IF and OF should be worth something.
But, I don't think we're in panic mode, just yet. If Carter can't return, then we have a different discussion... which is why it isn't time to panic and it really isn't time to unload or do much more than Grossman.
RF: Garcia - through '26 (Arbs)
1B: Lowe - through '26 (Arbs)
_C: Heim - through '26 (Arbs)
CF: Taveras - through '27 (Arbs)
2B: Semien- through '28
3B: Jung - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
Ut: Smith - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
Ut: Duran - through '28 (Serf+Arbs)
SS: Seager- through '28+
LF: Carter+Langford: 3Serf+3Arbs
Our lineup continues to be set for '25 and '26. The point of not trading for a rental would, IMO, be... don't trade a controlled position player for a rental. Trading Taveras, say... for a rental. IMO, if you are trading Taveras, then Carter and Langford are on track for Carter in CF and Langford for LF. So, you could trade for a rental DH.
Smith (.290/4HR in 60G) has been a blessing replacing Jung. He has been good... really good, but not great.
Duran (.270/1 HR in 43G) has been sufficient... last year he was really good. Not great.
Taveras (.234/4 HR in 25G; .266, 14HR in '23) looks to be returning to '23 numbers. Really, really good for a CF. Not great.
All 3 of those guys are solid, cheap, and controlled players that have good value, but could be worth upgrading for '25 & '26.
If Foscue returns and can play the formidable Util role for '25/'26... You might find trading Taveras+Smith(or Duran) for a upgrade short-term ('24+'25) and have the sending team eat salary. 3 years of control for an IF and OF should be worth something.
But, I don't think we're in panic mode, just yet. If Carter can't return, then we have a different discussion... which is why it isn't time to panic and it really isn't time to unload or do much more than Grossman.
Good insight. This team will get healthy and on a run. I do not think you can trade for a "rental". I think that you just need to be patient. Once healthy this line up will score some runs. The bullpen will become solid as pieces are moved around.
They are frustrating to watch/ follow right now, but once pieces begin to fall back in to place, they will compete.
They are frustrating to watch/ follow right now, but once pieces begin to fall back in to place, they will compete.
I mean damn... I am cynical and overly critical.
But baseball probably isn't the sport for some of you.
Half of our pitching has been on the DL, a key piece or two of the lineup has been on the DL, and we're 30-32 and 4.5 games out of first place and its the first week of June.
Mariners have a +7 run differential.
Minnesota and Detroit have a -2 and -3 run differential.
It's going to be OK. This team may not be good enough to win it all this year, and hell may not even make the playoffs (remember, we were 2 games away from missing last year)... But we're nowhere close to be at a tipping point.
Feels like a lot of you bought into this "dynasty" hype. I think I even remember a few posters talking about the "value" in bets on Evan Carter and Wyatt Langford for ROY.
TLDR: Baseball is hard, and it's a long season and there's no guarantee a 1-year performance will duplicate (for teams or players).
But baseball probably isn't the sport for some of you.
Half of our pitching has been on the DL, a key piece or two of the lineup has been on the DL, and we're 30-32 and 4.5 games out of first place and its the first week of June.
Mariners have a +7 run differential.
Minnesota and Detroit have a -2 and -3 run differential.
It's going to be OK. This team may not be good enough to win it all this year, and hell may not even make the playoffs (remember, we were 2 games away from missing last year)... But we're nowhere close to be at a tipping point.
Feels like a lot of you bought into this "dynasty" hype. I think I even remember a few posters talking about the "value" in bets on Evan Carter and Wyatt Langford for ROY.
TLDR: Baseball is hard, and it's a long season and there's no guarantee a 1-year performance will duplicate (for teams or players).
IMO it's applying a football mindset to the wrong sport.
In football, every win and every loss matters, and matters a lot. Not so in baseball. There's just so many games in a baseball season it simply isn't worth getting all torn up about a losing skid, or over confident with a winning streak. This may be one of those seasons where the Rangers are just snakebit because of injuries, but with just under 2/3rds of the season remaining, it's just too soon to know.
In football, every win and every loss matters, and matters a lot. Not so in baseball. There's just so many games in a baseball season it simply isn't worth getting all torn up about a losing skid, or over confident with a winning streak. This may be one of those seasons where the Rangers are just snakebit because of injuries, but with just under 2/3rds of the season remaining, it's just too soon to know.
Jimbo Franchione
Agreed.
But, having said that... the past couple weeks have been Mavs and Stars in the playoffs and every win mattered.
So, we've got a bit of the "Stars, Mavs, and Rangers will all win Championships" mindset.
But, having said that... the past couple weeks have been Mavs and Stars in the playoffs and every win mattered.
So, we've got a bit of the "Stars, Mavs, and Rangers will all win Championships" mindset.
I like this Prop Joe. Old Prop Joe was more "revert to the mean" kinda Joe.
I still believe we're going to win the World Series in 2024, just like I believe it every year.
I still believe we're going to win the World Series in 2024, just like I believe it every year.
DallasAg 94 said:
I like this Prop Joe. Old Prop Joe was more "revert to the mean" kinda Joe.
I still believe we're going to win the World Series in 2024, just like I believe it every year.
Hell I almost think improving our standing would be reverting to the mean.
Mariners are +7 run differential. 13-5 in 1-run games. No significant injuries.
Rangers are +13 run differential. 8-6 in 1-run games. A number of significant injuries.
I wouldn't say that I think Texas is a World Series favorite (again, we almost missed the playoffs last year)... but it wouldn't shock me in the least if we overtake Seattle and win the division.
If Jung gets healthy and Langford continues to improve, I like the Rangers chances over the Mariners a lot.
The fact that last night was our highest scoring effort at home since the second game of the season tells you the funk we're in. It's been mentioned that Josh H. Smith should never be your best offensive weapon through 62 games but here we are.
I still think we win 90 games this season as long as we can get some offensive players back healthy and in the right mental space. That's 60-40 the rest of the way.
I still think we win 90 games this season as long as we can get some offensive players back healthy and in the right mental space. That's 60-40 the rest of the way.
Just think what our record would be with last years bullpen
If you don't find any takers, I'd buy one off of you. I'm a Rangers fan (grew up in Dallas) but now living on the east coast so swag and giveaways are hard to come by. Still hanging on to my Hank Blalock bobblehead from way back in the dayMateo84 said:
Anybody want to trade some of the giveaway swag they get this season? I've got two extra Adolis gold glove bobbleheads that I would swap for one of these replica rings or trophy or something …
Mateo84 said:
Anybody want to trade some of the giveaway swag they get this season? I've got two extra Adolis gold glove bobbleheads that I would swap for one of these replica rings or trophy or something …
I've got a DeGrom city connect jersey from last year I'd be down to trade away.
What about Pete Alonso... NYMets. Rental...
What would you give?
What would you give?
Duran, White, Abimelec Ortiz? Would that get it done? But Pete Alonso fits the profile of what we are missing for the most part.
I'd also give Brent Rooker a serious look as well.
I'd also give Brent Rooker a serious look as well.
Always liked Rooker. Another name to watch is Luis Robert Jr.
Luis Robert Jr. is a wildly fascinating player this deadline. He's having an ungodly awful season and has only played ten games. He's also been really up and down in his career (plus injuries again). On the other hand he's still only 26, possesses all five tools and has likely been held down by the **** show that is the Chicago White Sox.
I would definitely be interested in this, but again at what cost? Leody would be a sure fire victim, as would Jack Leiter. Could you get away with another AAA prospect player like Dustin Harris, or would it take someone like Yeison Morrobel? I'd probably seriously consider it at those levels, you're just taking a bigger risk with Robert than with Alonso and Rooker imo.
ETA: I really do believe we need to add a bat and that it's time for the Rangers to offload some of the AAA/AAAA players they have been sitting on for years. Robert would also fit into a future plan as well.
I would definitely be interested in this, but again at what cost? Leody would be a sure fire victim, as would Jack Leiter. Could you get away with another AAA prospect player like Dustin Harris, or would it take someone like Yeison Morrobel? I'd probably seriously consider it at those levels, you're just taking a bigger risk with Robert than with Alonso and Rooker imo.
ETA: I really do believe we need to add a bat and that it's time for the Rangers to offload some of the AAA/AAAA players they have been sitting on for years. Robert would also fit into a future plan as well.
LRJ IMO, is too much of an injury risk to have to rely on in the post-season. I see him like Mike Trout. Profar was similar.
Speaking of Profar (31)... he is hitting .323, 8 HR, 66G, .418 OBP, .898 OPS. He is on a 1yr, $1M contract playing LF wtih SDP.
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