I'm not disagreeing. I'm also saying the Astros are very high in important offensive categories when compared to the league.txags92 said:The effect of swinging at all of those pitches outside the zone is that the Astros are last in the league in percentage of pitches seen in the strike zone. If pitchers don't have to put it in the zone to get us to swing at it, they won't.Beat40 said:txags92 said:When you sort that "chases outside zone by team" by percentage instead of raw #, we are only behind Miami in percentage chased outside the zone. We see fewer pitches than pretty much any other team and swing and miss at a higher percentage on pitches outside of the zone than anybody except Miami. Those metrics ought to get Cintron fired by themselves.Beat40 said:Check out the below. I set it to the entire league, all balls in play and strikeouts for everything outside of the zone.txags92 said:Given Altuve's proclivities to swing away early in the count, I doubt any decent pitcher is throwing him anything worth hitting in those first couple of pitches. If they do, they are a fool. He seems to swing at a lot of fastballs way above the zone, and sliders way outside on P1. I wonder if statcast has the ability to tell us which team swings at the most pitches that would be called balls? I would bet we are way up there.Beat40 said:
I guess the question is what if pitch 1 or 2 is the only pitch in the AB you could drive? The elite guys will throw whatever they want in whatever count they want. And they usually go 6 regardless of your approach.
I'm pro taking some pitches, but I also understand the idea of hit the best pitch against elite pitching, especially if you are a good-to-great hitter. Taking pitches might only cap their outing at 6 innings.
There are some big names on the list. Astros have 2 in the top 10, Altuve (3) and Diaz (9). Ohtani is top 20. Outside of Altuve and Diaz, the next Astro on the list is Yordan at 40.
Astros are #5 at swinging at putting balls in play outside the zone. Lot of playoff teams in top 10, specifically 5-10.
Chases outside zone
Chases outside zone by team
I think the link below is the page you're really looking for. You can sort multiple columns - from chase, whiff, 1st pitch swinnging, etc. You can make numbers say whatever you want to say, but if you look at chase %, while the Astros are really high, there are some other solid playoff teams in the top 10. Also some in the lower 3rd. My takeaway is chasing is all over the board and not a great thing to base an offense off of.
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Odds definitely even out. I'd be more interested in how a team is playing going into the playoffs. That Braves team, for example, was red hot.Farmer1906 said:W said:
the general issue...
the Astros' championship teams...2017 and 2022...won 101 and 106 regular season games
the Astros' runner-up teams...2019 and 2021...won 107 and 95 regular season games
the 2024 team is going to win 87 or 88 games
Other champs.
2023 - 90 wins
2021 - 88 wins
2019 - 93 wins
Would I rather win 100 or 90 games? 100, duh. But I'm not sure there is a major correlation between win totals and titles. It seems like once you make it, the odds even out significantly.
Same with the 19 Nats and 22 Phils. All 3 had slow starts are a great final 3/4s of a season. Very familiar feeling.MaxPower said:Odds definitely even out. I'd be more interested in how a team is playing going into the playoffs. That Braves team, for example, was red hot.Farmer1906 said:W said:
the general issue...
the Astros' championship teams...2017 and 2022...won 101 and 106 regular season games
the Astros' runner-up teams...2019 and 2021...won 107 and 95 regular season games
the 2024 team is going to win 87 or 88 games
Other champs.
2023 - 90 wins
2021 - 88 wins
2019 - 93 wins
Would I rather win 100 or 90 games? 100, duh. But I'm not sure there is a major correlation between win totals and titles. It seems like once you make it, the odds even out significantly.
And the Astros were a pitch away from being 2-1 in both series.Beau Holder said:
I think we saw against the Phillies and Padres what happens against a team with pitching effectively as good as the Astros' but better offense.
Astros are 7th in OBP, 0.14 behind #1.Beau Holder said:
Exactly this. No walks and no stolen bases (and failure to hold runners to prevent stolen bases, for that matter), failures to sac fly, failure to get into the pen early is not a recipe for winning the close playoff games that aren't determined by a gem or implosion on the mound. Much less a clearly demonstrated decision to almost never change their approach regardless of whether it's working.
Good luck to our Triple A Sugar Land Space Cowboys tonight as they begin a 3-game series vs. Reno for the Pacific Coast League title at Constellation Field. The Space Cowboys finished the regular season with a 93-56 (.624) record, which was the best in all of professional… https://t.co/B148pZn6TT
— Houston Astros (@astros) September 24, 2024
cc10106 said:
Padres are something like 40-17 since the All Star Break. That's reminiscent of the '19 Nats.
Joe Espada said that they are hoping that Yordan Alvarez could be back this weekend, but he is still sore and it’s day-by-day.
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) September 24, 2024
When asked if Yordan could play today if it were the postseason, Espada said he couldn’t answer that.
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Tayler Scott is playing catch in the outfield and Chas McCormick is running sprints.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) September 24, 2024
Ranked 30th again by MLB back in August lolHornbeck said:
I'm sorry sir, this doesn't fit the narrative of the worst farm system and prospects.
The Astros against Logan Gilbert: Altuve 4, Tucker 9, Bregman 5, Diaz 2, Singleton DH, Caratini 3, Peña 6, Heyward 7, Dubón 8
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2024
Valdez LHP
Exactly, just get in the playoffs and we've all seen anything can happen. It's also what makes our ALCS run so freakin' impressive.Farmer1906 said:W said:
the general issue...
the Astros' championship teams...2017 and 2022...won 101 and 106 regular season games
the Astros' runner-up teams...2019 and 2021...won 107 and 95 regular season games
the 2024 team is going to win 87 or 88 games
Other champs.
2023 - 90 wins
2021 - 88 wins
2019 - 93 wins
Would I rather win 100 or 90 games? 100, duh. But I'm not sure there is a major correlation between win totals and titles. It seems like once you make it, the odds even out significantly.
Michael Brantley is here in the Astros’ clubhouse (in street clothes)
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2024
Let's go 1-6. Win this game.EastCoastAgNc said:The Astros against Logan Gilbert: Altuve 4, Tucker 9, Bregman 5, Diaz 2, Singleton DH, Caratini 3, Peña 6, Heyward 7, Dubón 8
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2024
Valdez LHP
I'm thinking it's to keep the DH if we have to pinch hit/run for Yainer.Wabs said:
Caratini over Big Jon in the field?
Farmer1906 said:
Gameover. Tucker's dropping 2 bombs for his mentor.Michael Brantley is here in the Astros’ clubhouse (in street clothes)
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2024
F me...must mean Yordan is going on IL and Uncle Mike is going to DH.Farmer1906 said:
Gameover. Tucker's dropping 2 bombs for his mentor.Michael Brantley is here in the Astros’ clubhouse (in street clothes)
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) September 24, 2024