I'm not disagreeing. I'm also saying the Astros are very high in important offensive categories when compared to the league.txags92 said:The effect of swinging at all of those pitches outside the zone is that the Astros are last in the league in percentage of pitches seen in the strike zone. If pitchers don't have to put it in the zone to get us to swing at it, they won't.Beat40 said:txags92 said:When you sort that "chases outside zone by team" by percentage instead of raw #, we are only behind Miami in percentage chased outside the zone. We see fewer pitches than pretty much any other team and swing and miss at a higher percentage on pitches outside of the zone than anybody except Miami. Those metrics ought to get Cintron fired by themselves.Beat40 said:Check out the below. I set it to the entire league, all balls in play and strikeouts for everything outside of the zone.txags92 said:Given Altuve's proclivities to swing away early in the count, I doubt any decent pitcher is throwing him anything worth hitting in those first couple of pitches. If they do, they are a fool. He seems to swing at a lot of fastballs way above the zone, and sliders way outside on P1. I wonder if statcast has the ability to tell us which team swings at the most pitches that would be called balls? I would bet we are way up there.Beat40 said:
I guess the question is what if pitch 1 or 2 is the only pitch in the AB you could drive? The elite guys will throw whatever they want in whatever count they want. And they usually go 6 regardless of your approach.
I'm pro taking some pitches, but I also understand the idea of hit the best pitch against elite pitching, especially if you are a good-to-great hitter. Taking pitches might only cap their outing at 6 innings.
There are some big names on the list. Astros have 2 in the top 10, Altuve (3) and Diaz (9). Ohtani is top 20. Outside of Altuve and Diaz, the next Astro on the list is Yordan at 40.
Astros are #5 at swinging at putting balls in play outside the zone. Lot of playoff teams in top 10, specifically 5-10.
Chases outside zone
Chases outside zone by team
I think the link below is the page you're really looking for. You can sort multiple columns - from chase, whiff, 1st pitch swinnging, etc. You can make numbers say whatever you want to say, but if you look at chase %, while the Astros are really high, there are some other solid playoff teams in the top 10. Also some in the lower 3rd. My takeaway is chasing is all over the board and not a great thing to base an offense off of.
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Again, there are other playoff teams performing right around the Astros in terms of all the things you are talking about. Some that are not. It's all over the place
Again, the question is which teams are going to be the most successful in the post-season.
