redline248 said:Chandler still taking shots at DustyQuote:
when he felt he had to produce just to play
Good.
redline248 said:Chandler still taking shots at DustyQuote:
when he felt he had to produce just to play
This is defintely a point to keep in mind...The Porkchop Express said:
I would have called myself crazy for saying this a few months ago, but I'd put Tucker 5th. The top 4 are going too good right now to mess with them, and Alvarez 2nd clearly failed in the start of the year.
There is no magic about where you hit in the order. Bregman's highest OPS lineup spot is 7th (.956). Should we move him down in the order? He's batted everywhere from 1st to 9th in his career. His OPS ranges from .815 to .956. He's excelled everywhere because he's a good player.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
We have very different definitions of failure.Booma94 said:This is defintely a point to keep in mind...The Porkchop Express said:
I would have called myself crazy for saying this a few months ago, but I'd put Tucker 5th. The top 4 are going too good right now to mess with them, and Alvarez 2nd clearly failed in the start of the year.
Astros go for 8th win in a row:
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) August 14, 2024
Altuve 2B
Bregman 3B
Alvarez DH
Y. Diaz, C
Peña SS
Dezenzo 1B
Meyers CF
Dubón RF
McCormick LF
RHP Blanco
n_touch said:Amazing what happens when you get more at batsQuote:
In general there is a lot of luck and variance in situational hitting, but coaches say Yainer Diaz really has refined his approach and minimized big moments better than he did last season, when he felt he had to produce just to play
Ag_07 said:
Because you're using expected numbers and Statcast batted ball data that don't really count for anything.
What do his actual production numbers look like?
I believe Meyers came up to bat in both of those situations with 1 out and struck out both times.TarponChaser said:n_touch said:Amazing what happens when you get more at batsQuote:
In general there is a lot of luck and variance in situational hitting, but coaches say Yainer Diaz really has refined his approach and minimized big moments better than he did last season, when he felt he had to produce just to play
Really, the money shot from that piece and what consistently rears its head is not having that approach with RISP or like last night in the top of the 8th when we had the bases loaded with 1 out and needing insurance runs. Then, there was a game that I believe we lost last week where we had the bases loaded twice in the game with less than 2 outs and left all the runners stranded each time.
This is the antithesis of that:
In response, Diaz is determined to stay in the middle of the field and allow breaking pitches to get deeper before swinging. Staying inside of the fastballs he sees prevents Diaz from becoming too pull-happy. It sacrifices some power Diaz has just 12 home runs after hitting 23 last season but allows him to be a more complete hitter.
I am just happy to see him continue to get playing time.Wabs said:
I guess Dezenzo isn't ready for a shot in LF....
Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
Penn Murfee will start a rehab assignment tomorrow at Fayetteville, Joe Espada said.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) August 14, 2024
redline248 said:Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
Most of the season? Yes. Right now? Leave him at 2 until it stops working.Farmer1906 said:There is no magic about where you hit in the order. Bregman's highest OPS lineup spot is 7th (.956). Should we move him down in the order? He's batted everywhere from 1st to 9th in his career. His OPS ranges from .815 to .956. He's excelled everywhere because he's a good player.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
Which makes it all the more inexplicable why Chas hasn't been either sent down or given an extended stay on the bench until he figures out how to not swing at everything thrown within 2 feet of the plate. Continuing to send him up there night after night isn't accomplishing anything. He needs to find a slumpbuster or something...tjack16 said:redline248 said:Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
At least dubon started the season well. At one point you could argue he was our best bat with RISP. Chas has sucked the whole season
Heineken-Ashi said:Most of the season? Yes. Right now? Leave him at 2 until it stops working.Farmer1906 said:There is no magic about where you hit in the order. Bregman's highest OPS lineup spot is 7th (.956). Should we move him down in the order? He's batted everywhere from 1st to 9th in his career. His OPS ranges from .815 to .956. He's excelled everywhere because he's a good player.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
There might not be magic, but career result show 3 is NOT his place, because he changes his approach away from waiting on the right pitch to trying to force the action.
Astros-White Sox probables:
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) August 14, 2024
Fri: RHP Spencer Arrighetti vs. LHP Garrett Crochet
Sat: RHP Hunter Brown vs. RHP Chris Flexen
Sun: LHP Framber Valdez vs. LHP Ky Bush
Kyle Tucker played some catch on the field today & Espada said he hit inside & "did a ton of work in the weight room."
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) August 14, 2024
He added: "Slow progress, but he's trending in the right direction."
Tucker, through a team spokesman, has declined interview requests all three days in Tampa.
Batting 3rd probably doesn't have enough data, but the limited time wasn't good. And batting 4th was abysmal. Though it would be interesting to see if he had enough at bats at each, with each spot in the order split between first two months and rest of the season. Because he pretty much sucks no matter where he bats in April and May. But I still think it has more to do with his approach. He has protecting in front and behind when batting 2nd. Later than that, and his approach changes to trying to force RBI's instead of waiting on the right pitch.Farmer1906 said:Heineken-Ashi said:Most of the season? Yes. Right now? Leave him at 2 until it stops working.Farmer1906 said:There is no magic about where you hit in the order. Bregman's highest OPS lineup spot is 7th (.956). Should we move him down in the order? He's batted everywhere from 1st to 9th in his career. His OPS ranges from .815 to .956. He's excelled everywhere because he's a good player.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
There might not be magic, but career result show 3 is NOT his place, because he changes his approach away from waiting on the right pitch to trying to force the action.
So an OPS in the 800s is not good?
Ok. What have you done for me lately?tjack16 said:redline248 said:Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
At least dubon started the season well. At one point you could argue he was our best bat with RISP. Chas has sucked the whole season
And what years did most of those at bats come in? What was the makeup of the rest of the order? What was his overall production in those years?Farmer1906 said:
.252 BA
.366 OBP
.450 SLG
Career in the 3 hole over 1200 PA.
txags92 said:Which makes it all the more inexplicable why Chas hasn't been either sent down or given an extended stay on the bench until he figures out how to not swing at everything thrown within 2 feet of the plate. Continuing to send him up there night after night isn't accomplishing anything. He needs to find a slumpbuster or something...tjack16 said:redline248 said:Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
At least dubon started the season well. At one point you could argue he was our best bat with RISP. Chas has sucked the whole season
So he forgot how to hit in the 3-hole?Heineken-Ashi said:And what years did most of those at bats come in? What was the makeup of the rest of the order? What was his overall production in those years?Farmer1906 said:
.252 BA
.366 OBP
.450 SLG
Career in the 3 hole over 1200 PA.
I don't really want a guy who gets on base a lot with a mediocre average in the meat of our lineup when we have Yordan and Tucker available who make harder contact at a better clip and dont ground into as many DP's.
I do prefer him in the 2 hole. In fact, I argued that for the first two months despite most of this board favoring him in the meat spots. Your original question asked me if he should be 7. And if performs like he did early in the year, the answer was yes. If he performs like his standard career numbers and numbers from the last 3 months, he should be 2. Right now, he's killing it in 2 and should stay there unless he starts to become unproductive for multiple weeks or more. When Tucker comes back, I think you put him 5 if the top 4 in the lineup are still producing well. If Yainer starts to drift back to his stats from before he heated up, you move Tucker to 4.Farmer1906 said:So he forgot how to hit in the 3-hole?Heineken-Ashi said:And what years did most of those at bats come in? What was the makeup of the rest of the order? What was his overall production in those years?Farmer1906 said:
.252 BA
.366 OBP
.450 SLG
Career in the 3 hole over 1200 PA.
I don't really want a guy who gets on base a lot with a mediocre average in the meat of our lineup when we have Yordan and Tucker available who make harder contact at a better clip and dont ground into as many DP's.
Nerds figured out the 2 hole is more important than the 3 hole. As well as the 4 hole too. You actually should prefer the on base guy there.
The funny thing is, if you actually look at what position in the order Bergman has batted for the Astros, you'd find he's batted primarily in the 3rd or 4th positions. Last season is the only season he spent the majority of the year in the 2nd hole.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
BadAggie said:txags92 said:Which makes it all the more inexplicable why Chas hasn't been either sent down or given an extended stay on the bench until he figures out how to not swing at everything thrown within 2 feet of the plate. Continuing to send him up there night after night isn't accomplishing anything. He needs to find a slumpbuster or something...tjack16 said:redline248 said:Why exclude Dubon, who has more PA, recently, and is as bad - if not worse?AggiEE said:
More McCorm-ick….
At least dubon started the season well. At one point you could argue he was our best bat with RISP. Chas has sucked the whole season
Chas-san you sad?
2023Beat40 said:The funny thing is, if you actually look at what position in the order Bergman has batted for the Astros, you'd find he's batted primarily in the 3rd or 4th positions. Last season is the only season he spent the majority of the year in the 2nd hole.Heineken-Ashi said:Bregs is hot, but he's proven time and again he's not a 3-hole hitter. Don't mess with what's working, especially in the height of it working.Wabs said:
Altuve
Tucker
Bregman
Yordan
Diaz
Pena
but I've always been a fan of Tucker batting 2nd...
I agree with the guy above. Tucker 5th and move them around if some start to cool off.
So it's funny to me when people say he isn't a 3- or 4-hole hitter when he's literally batted in that position every year since 2017 except for last year. And that's with the most data forward thinking organization in AJ Hinch and Jeff Lunhow.
Where he should bat this year is a different question, but it actually ridiculous to say he can't bat in the 3- or 4- hole. You'd have to ignorant of his career to say he can't do it.