***** 2024 Houston Astros Season Thread ***** [Staff Warning]

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7:00p, 6/23/24
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If they win 60% the rest of the way that puts them at 88 to 89 wins.

I think they can get a wild card spot if so.


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In reply to Ag_07 • 7:01p, 6/23/24
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And yeah JV may be difficult and throw an occasional tantrum but the dude has 100% earned that right.
I disagree. I don't think anyone ever earns the right to throw tantrums. I am a tenured pro-JV guy (as are most of us). I'm really trying to point out that I don't think he's the angel some of you think he is and I don't think Bauer is the devil some of you think he is.

TBH I'd probably be happier without Bauer. I wouldn't want any part of him if I thought we could win it all without someone like him.

I'd also have no problem getting over his past if he came in and played well. I'd be rooting for him to learn a thing or two and improve his character. I think most fans are in the same boat.
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7:04p, 6/23/24
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Yeah, 'cause narcissistic millionaires learn from their mistakes
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 7:06p, 6/23/24
Ag4life80 said:
Yeah, 'cause narcissistic millionaires learn from their mistakes
narcissistic millionaires or not, I do think most people learn from their mistakes as long as the price they have to pay is high enough. But what do I know?
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In reply to BadAggie • 7:22p, 6/23/24
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BadAggie said:
If they win 60% the rest of the way that puts them at 88 to 89 wins.

I think they can get a wild card spot if so.




I'm not sure the Rays, Royals, Red Sox, and Rangers get into the high 80s.

I also don't think the Twins and Guardians are a lock to win 90+ either. I have more confidence in them than the other 4 above.

There is a lot of season left and I think the Yankees, Os, & Mariners rosters are the best. Don't be shocked if the standings today look very different in Oct.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 7:44p, 6/23/24
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That's a fair take. I don't agree with it but I can see your POV.

Me personally I just don't think a guy like Bauer is gonna change based on his track record.

As far as JV goes I'm of the opinion that when JV talks you listen.
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 7:45p, 6/23/24
Ag4life80 said:
Yeah, 'cause narcissistic millionaires learn from their mistakes


Have we moved onto Crane or are we still in Bauer?
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7:47p, 6/23/24
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Interesting to think Astros could be buyers next month

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7:47p, 6/23/24
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My favorite all time football coach once said that if you have talent and you aren't a total dbag, someone will pay you to play no matter what else you've done. Mike Vick built a huge facility dedicated to training dogs to kill other dogs. Ray Lewis either killed a guy or knows who did and is in the hall of fame. So if nobody is signing you, you either can't play or you are such a dbag that nobody will play on your team or you don't really want to play, you just want attention - aka kaepernick. Maybe Bauer can still pitch, but clearly nobody wants to be his teammate anywhere in the majors.
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In reply to n_touch • 7:48p, 6/23/24
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n_touch said:
Ag4life80 said:
Yeah, 'cause narcissistic millionaires learn from their mistakes


Have we moved onto Crane or are we still in Bauer?
Billionaires are a whole nother level
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 7:49p, 6/23/24
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*see "Crazy" Jerry Jones
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In reply to n_touch • 7:49p, 6/23/24
n_touch said:
Ag4life80 said:
Yeah, 'cause narcissistic millionaires learn from their mistakes


Have we moved onto Crane or are we still in Bauer?
Bauer has been humbled. Crane still hasn't paid the price.
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7:51p, 6/23/24
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the Astros are 13-7 in June despite all the pitching injuries and Tucker's absence

there are 2 reasons why:

1. the all-star caliber players...are playing like all-stars this month (Altuve, Bregman, Yordan, et al)

2. the best players are finally playing (Dubon, Loperfido, et al)
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In reply to BadAggie • 7:52p, 6/23/24
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BadAggie said:




This pleases me
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:56p, 6/23/24
The Porkchop Express said:
My favorite all time football coach once said that if you have talent and you aren't a total dbag, someone will pay you to play no matter what else you've done. Mike Vick built a huge facility dedicated to training dogs to kill other dogs. Ray Lewis either killed a guy or knows who did and is in the hall of fame. So if nobody is signing you, you either can't play or you are such a dbag that nobody will play on your team or you don't really want to play, you just want attention - aka kaepernick. Maybe Bauer can still pitch, but clearly nobody wants to be his teammate anywhere in the majors.
Surprising take. I was expecting you to be in the "people can change" camp.

Don't you think the problem is more the PR hit that a team will take for hiring him? A guy that, regardless of having been railroaded is still clearly abusive towards women...and most casual fans will never dig deep enough to know he wasn't 100% guilty of what he was originally accused of.

And I know Bauer is a little long in the tooth to be making major character changes, but I do think many pro athletes have a very delayed emotional/character adolescence on account of the extreme self-centeredness it takes to succeed and the lack of accountability they have when they are stars.
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7:57p, 6/23/24
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Starting rotation has somehow held up, but you gotta believe Blanco doesn't hit a wall, Brown doesn't cool off or teams figure out his sinker, Framber can avoid a 2nd half meltdown, Arrighetti can progress, and JV can hold off Father Time.

There's also the returns of Garcia and/or McCullers.

For right price would ideally make sense to add a starter at trade deadline but at what cost?

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Starting to get excited for the draft as well, to see if Dana's gonna cook again.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 8:06p, 6/23/24
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Harry Dunne said:
The Porkchop Express said:
My favorite all time football coach once said that if you have talent and you aren't a total dbag, someone will pay you to play no matter what else you've done. Mike Vick built a huge facility dedicated to training dogs to kill other dogs. Ray Lewis either killed a guy or knows who did and is in the hall of fame. So if nobody is signing you, you either can't play or you are such a dbag that nobody will play on your team or you don't really want to play, you just want attention - aka kaepernick. Maybe Bauer can still pitch, but clearly nobody wants to be his teammate anywhere in the majors.
Surprising take. I was expecting you to be in the "people can change" camp.

Don't you think the problem is more the PR hit that a team will take for hiring him? A guy that, regardless of having been railroaded is still clearly abusive towards women...and most casual fans will never dig deep enough to know he wasn't 100% guilty of what he was originally accused of.

And I know Bauer is a little long in the tooth to be making major character changes, but I do think pro athletes have a very delayed adolescence on account of the extreme self-centeredness it takes to succeed and the lack of accountability they have when they are stars.


Of course people can change. But plenty never choose to. If Bauer wanted to get signed, the first thing he should do is get off social media and go play for some independent league team to prove he wants to play ball. Prove that you can play baseball for a period of time without being an idiot. Even this year he made some really dumb comment on Twitter that had everyone in Japan pissed at him while pitching there.
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8:06p, 6/23/24
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At some point, LMJ and Garcia are coming back. Houston doesn't need to be the team to give Bauer a lifeline
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5 years $120M seems reasonable
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8:09p, 6/23/24
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Alonso for 8 years? Yikes
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 8:10p, 6/23/24
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Mr.Bond said:
Alonso for 8 years? Yikes
Uncle Steve is already paying Lindor a king's ransom for years to come, and he's not even remotely worth it. Hell he's paying Verlander and Scherzer to pitch for different teams. Why not add another one on top of it?
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 8:33p, 6/23/24
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bearkatag15 said:


5 years $120M seems reasonable
I would be against a 5 year deal for Bregman with his exceptionally slow start this year. Not saying he won't end up getting that, but I would hope it isn't Crane paying it.
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8:34p, 6/23/24
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I mean I guess you could see what's available for 1B at the trade deadline. Maybe a bullpen arm.

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In reply to txags92 • 8:40p, 6/23/24
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He has started slow every year of his career. He usually gets hot as the weather reaches triple digits
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In reply to BadAggie • 8:47p, 6/23/24
Just don't wanna give up any more prospects if we do trade. I know that seems unreasonable but we've traded away so much already
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9:03p, 6/23/24
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oh, Mets' closer Diaz tossed for sticky stuff

Astros play the Mets next weekend -- he would be out
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In reply to All I do is Nguyen • 9:15p, 6/23/24
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We're trading…..What then?
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 9:18p, 6/23/24
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bearkatag15 said:
He has started slow every year of his career. He usually gets hot as the weather reaches triple digits


wRC+ up to 109.
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9:26p, 6/23/24
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In theory if the roster the Astros have is performing then there aren't glaring needs. SP comes to mind with the loss of Javier and Urquidy but you already have options on hand or returning.

Really there it is a question of an upgrade.

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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 9:39p, 6/23/24
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EastCoastAgNc said:


I look forward to the umpire who caught that telling us he's never felt anything that sticky in all his career.
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9:52p, 6/23/24
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You have to wonder why a guy like Bregman who historically starts slow hasn't attempted a different routine or requested more ABs in spring training to try to get going sooner. Any salary he gets should be prorated for underachieving in April and May.
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