The A's are 18-20, btw
I think there's a major gap between people who became Astro fans this century, or more accurately once 2017 rolled around, and the older generation of us who were fans in the 20th century. Granted some of that is age related and you can't be faulted if you're young, but most Astro seasons of the first 30 years of my life were not playoff seasons. I grew up watching them from a young age, and not counting the weird '81 strike season, they only made the playoffs twice in the first 22 seasons of my life, and when they finally had a nice stretch of winning titles ('97-'01) it was with immediate, depressing playoff exits.tjack16 said:
At what point do even the most optimistic Astros fans lose hope in 2024 for a turnaround?
I think I've hit that point after this series… especially if we lose again today for another sweep.
For the eternal optimists… Is it 60 games? 80? 100?
Agree with all of this, but I do think we (or alot of people on this board), expected him to be a staple in the top 5 in the order. Not necessarily "carry the team", but certainly do better than he currently is doing. I think he has massive potential to turn it around, that's why I've said he would be on my "untouchable" trade list.Ag_07 said:
Yanier gets a bit of pass and I think it's a bit too harsh to say he's in the group of underperforming guys not meeting expectations.
Yanier's production last season was great but there were a lot of question marks with him this season being thrust into his first full season as a starter.
IMO he was expected to be a nice role player contributor and not expected to carry this team like Bregman. I expected some large swings in production as he adjusts to playing full time and handling the staff.
The first trade that needs to be made is to move Meyers to open up OF playing time for Loperfido and Leon. Meyers has played well enough and has enough control that you should get decent prospects. I've mentioned elsewhere that the Royals may be the best fit as their OF sucks and they have 3 really good catching prospects, which is a huge area of need in our farm (especially if they hit lefty).EastCoastAgNc said:Here’s a story about Pedro León, who is playing “freer,” finally showing a clear approach at the plate and giving the Astros something to consider in center field - https://t.co/fygep5EfS7
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) May 9, 2024
tjack16 said:
At what point do even the most optimistic Astros fans lose hope in 2024 for a turnaround?
I think I've hit that point after this series… especially if we lose again today for another sweep.
For the eternal optimists… Is it 60 games? 80? 100?
EastCoastAgNc said:“The guys want it. But we’ve just got to do a better job of executing. We just can’t pretend that things are going to turn around by luck. We have to force it. We have to do something to change the outcome.” The Astros are 12-24:https://t.co/P93jwsRu8j
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) May 9, 2024
"we've got to force it"...well at least they're not pressing
He's also playing horribly right now. That's probably the biggest barrier to trading him.W said:
the difficulty in trading Bregman...
he is a very expensive rental for the acquiring club -- costs $5 MM per month
the trade partner is not going to send much in return if the Astros don't agree to still play half his remaining salary
Its a given that anyone we trade we need to eat the rest of their 2024 salary. It's the only way to maximize the players you get back and that's the bigger need than saving a few bucks.W said:
the difficulty in trading Bregman...
he is a very expensive rental for the acquiring club -- costs $5 MM per month
the trade partner is not going to send much in return if the Astros don't agree to still play half his remaining salary
Haha I remember a good friend of mine and I would buy 12 dollar tickets the day of the game at the ticket window and walk all the way down to the 1st or 3rd base line cus MMP was always empty. If we were ok with 100 loss seasons we will be ok on this next mini rebuild does it suck that this run is gonna end yes, but it happens and we've seen worse.tjack16 said:
At what point do even the most optimistic Astros fans lose hope in 2024 for a turnaround?
I think I've hit that point after this series… especially if we lose again today for another sweep.
For the eternal optimists… Is it 60 games? 80? 100?
Marvin said:tjack16 said:
At what point do even the most optimistic Astros fans lose hope in 2024 for a turnaround?
I think I've hit that point after this series… especially if we lose again today for another sweep.
For the eternal optimists… Is it 60 games? 80? 100?
I will never be considered the most optimistic Astros fan, so this question is not for me... haha.
Mrs. Marvin would qualify, and she still has faith. She's praying for them daily, but I do not see her watching as many games.
The only thing I am NOT on board with is playing out the string as is- meaning if this team continues to suck. Crane will lose a lot of money this year if he holds pat and plans to just hit the reset button and run it back in '25. That will not sell $20 beer this year or season tickets next year.
Yep, the nightly tuning in and watching 3 hours of Astros baseball (which I LOVED), is over for this season. I'll get interested again around trade deadline to see if we can get some prospects. Otherwise, it's all Aggie baseball (and I also watch Aggie softball).texasaggie2015 said:
This series was going to decide the season for me. I'm throwing in the towel. I'll watch and keep up with them like always- but as far as playoff hopes go, I think those are long gone.
W said:
Soto update:
15 hits, 3 walks, and HBP in 30 plate appearances vs. the Astros in 6 games
good luck to Blanco
tjack16 said:
At what point do even the most optimistic Astros fans lose hope in 2024 for a turnaround?
I think I've hit that point after this series… especially if we lose again today for another sweep.
For the eternal optimists… Is it 60 games? 80? 100?
texasaggie2015 said:
This series was going to decide the season for me. I'm throwing in the towel. I'll watch and keep up with them like always- but as far as playoff hopes go, I think those are long gone.
Martin Maldonado was the Astros worst hitter in 2023.
— Astros Josh (@AstrosJosh) May 9, 2024
As of tonight, Alex Bregman has a lower batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, and OPS than Maldonado finished with in 2023.
He’s absolutely awful right now. pic.twitter.com/W8pHU3b0dv