EastCoastAgNc said:Matt Chapman now tied for the MLB lead with six errors as this one goes right through his legs pic.twitter.com/so5jFKks8o
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 5, 2024
I guess it could always be worse
Thank your for a sane take. The Astros went to the playoffs in 97-99, were a train wreck in 00, and won the division title again in 2001.AggiEE said:
I definitely don't think we should be sellers.
This team has had a disastrous start for various reasons that shouldn't be expected to repeat next year and we have the offseason to address issues
We can be competitive in 2025 even if 2024 is a bust
If I could predict the future (other than in the 2022 post season), I wouldn't be wasting time with you guys.MaxPower said:
Who is our Roy Oswalt or Wade Miller in 2025?
Get a real hitting coach in there and I'd say we're 5 games better this year.MaxPower said:
FWIW, Oswalt was the #13 prospect going into the 2001 season.
I'd say you are oversimplifying. The roster is going to throw itself into the wind by 2026 (and starting this offseason). The only question is if you want to plan for the future or just be ok with taking a huge step back.
EastCoastAgNc said:Matt Chapman now tied for the MLB lead with six errors as this one goes right through his legs pic.twitter.com/so5jFKks8o
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 5, 2024
I guess it could always be worse
All I do is Nguyen said:
Until the playoffs right?
We will make the playoffs.....right?
HilariousThe Porkchop Express said:Get a real hitting coach in there and I'd say we're 5 games better this year.MaxPower said:
FWIW, Oswalt was the #13 prospect going into the 2001 season.
I'd say you are oversimplifying. The roster is going to throw itself into the wind by 2026 (and starting this offseason). The only question is if you want to plan for the future or just be ok with taking a huge step back.
Luhnow's analytics were instrumental in smart free agent moves. I have no doubt we wouldn't have signed Abreu, Hader or Montero if he were here. In that regard, I hope Crane learns his lesson.texasaggie2015 said:
Yep. But Crane doesn't trust the people who crunch those numbers all day near as much as he did Lunhow and his people.
All of those people who built the dynasty are no longer with the team. They still use analytics- but people use them and interpret them differently if that makes sense. And I don't think they're nearly as advanced as they were at one point.
Lunhow and his people were incredibly smart and ahead of their time. I don't think we'll ever have another GM that comes close. Lunhow was all about data and analytics. Dana Brown's strong suit is scouting and development.
Sadly I'm still not convinced. They both suck but what kind of prospect capital would you have gotten for Bregman before the season started?texasaggie2015 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Matt Chapman now tied for the MLB lead with six errors as this one goes right through his legs pic.twitter.com/so5jFKks8o
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 5, 2024
I guess it could always be worse
Dodged bullet here. The Astros seriously considered flipping Bregman for assets and signing Chapman this past offseason.
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texasaggie2015 said:
Yep. But Crane doesn't trust the people who crunch those numbers all day near as much as he did Lunhow and his people.
All of those people who built the dynasty are no longer with the team. They still use analytics- but people use them and interpret them differently if that makes sense. And I don't think they're nearly as advanced as they were at one point.
Lunhow and his people were incredibly smart and ahead of their time. I don't think we'll ever have another GM that comes close. Lunhow was all about data and analytics. Dana Brown's strong suit is scouting and development.
I don't think Lunhow would accept that. He's doing quite well in soccer right now. He would be accepting a demotion to come back. Also, if Crane doesn't trust him, there's no way he's hiring him.Bobcat-Ag said:texasaggie2015 said:
Yep. But Crane doesn't trust the people who crunch those numbers all day near as much as he did Lunhow and his people.
All of those people who built the dynasty are no longer with the team. They still use analytics- but people use them and interpret them differently if that makes sense. And I don't think they're nearly as advanced as they were at one point.
Lunhow and his people were incredibly smart and ahead of their time. I don't think we'll ever have another GM that comes close. Lunhow was all about data and analytics. Dana Brown's strong suit is scouting and development.
I realize that Luhnow is unable to be a GM again, but could we get him in to run the analytics team? If we had Brown running scouting and development with Luhnow running the analytics, we could have it all!
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That's a shame...tjack16 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Matt Chapman now tied for the MLB lead with six errors as this one goes right through his legs pic.twitter.com/so5jFKks8o
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 5, 2024
I guess it could always be worse
2024 is looking worse and worse for Boras
Even if we managed to get a Lunhow-type in control now, Crane's ego and the council of former players would just would get in the way and hinder the vision.Ag_07 said:
Jeff Luhnow will never work for this organization as long as Crane is here.
At least that's what I've gathered.
If Crane has trust problems why would he trust the guy who actually broke his trust?
Best to just appreciate what JL did and let him go.
Not saying those things aren't important, but if 6 of the 8 blown saves were converted, the Astros would be near the top of the division. If the bullpen can work its way out of this quicksand, things will improve significantly.tjack16 said:All I do is Nguyen said:
Until the playoffs right?
We will make the playoffs.....right?
If we make drastic improvements in starting rotation, bullpen, offensively, baserunning, and all other facets of the game then yeah it's possible
Yes, I'm agreeing with that. I'm saying Chapman really hasn't been much worse than Bregman's so even though Chapman has stunk we might still have been better off with the prospects we could have gotten for Bregman. I'm glad we had those kind of discussions because it shows some creativity that we seem to have been lacking.texasaggie2015 said:
That's fine, but those conversations 100% happened.
They wouldn't expect to get top ranked prospects back. The thought process was to improve organizational depth (something that's lacking) or get a big league player back in a position of need (like an arm) while replacing Bregman with someone who will bring in similar production- which is what they expected Chapman to bring.
EastCoastAgNc said:Even if we managed to get a Lunhow-type in control now, Crane's ego and the council of former players would just would get in the way and hinder the vision.Ag_07 said:
Jeff Luhnow will never work for this organization as long as Crane is here.
At least that's what I've gathered.
If Crane has trust problems why would he trust the guy who actually broke his trust?
Best to just appreciate what JL did and let him go.
tjack16 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Matt Chapman now tied for the MLB lead with six errors as this one goes right through his legs pic.twitter.com/so5jFKks8o
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 5, 2024
I guess it could always be worse
2024 is looking worse and worse for Boras
While I know there's plenty of debate over the influence of the trifling trio, even setting them aside, Crane is the main issue. When he took over, he let Lunhow be the guy and run his vision. Given his lack of trust after being burned by JL, I can't see him staying out of the way enough to let a rebuild happen.Ag_07 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Even if we managed to get a Lunhow-type in control now, Crane's ego and the council of former players would just would get in the way and hinder the vision.Ag_07 said:
Jeff Luhnow will never work for this organization as long as Crane is here.
At least that's what I've gathered.
If Crane has trust problems why would he trust the guy who actually broke his trust?
Best to just appreciate what JL did and let him go.
Well...I don't agree with this.
