***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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I'd offer snell the 6 year 150, with opt out after year 2, 4 and the final year with a player option.

That way you have him guaranteed for 2024 and 2025. No state income tax, 25M AAV, and a great shot at a
WS title.


I also think Montgomery would be a great pick up as well. And probably cheaper if Snell is too high
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Well, we did win the division and the head-to-head, so it's more like King Kong got the best of Godzilla in the playoffs and now Godzilla is back to reclaim supremacy.
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Farmer1906 said:

Snell turned down 6/150, reportedly. Assume he is willing to accept the Rodon deal - 6/162.

That moves CBT payroll from 255 to 282. If I am doing the math right it would increase our tax bill from 3.6 M to 13.625 M. Its more like we'd be paying Snell 37 M this year instead of 27 M. I would think, Crane would want to offload salary at that point. Who makes sense to offload?

JV - 40.5 M (but only 17 M) - not happening. We need him.
Aluve - 23.3 M - LOL
Bregman - 20 M - not this late and without Chapman to replace him.
Abreu - 19.5 M - I wish but this contract is a boat anchor.
Alvarez - 19.1 M - LOL
Hader - 19 M - just signed
LMJ - 17 M - damaged goods will have no takers
Pressly - 15 M - i guess this is technically a possibility, but we can't take any hits to this bullpen.
Javier - 12.8 M - We'd be selling low. We have him 4 more years.
Montero - 11.5 M - Same as Abreu
Graveman - 8 M - IL
Caratini - 6 M - we need him
Valdez - 12.1 M - Would fetch a Cease like haul. But interested parties would be NY and Arlington. No thanks.
Tucker - 12 M - Would fetch an incredible haul. But we need him.

Everyone else makes less than 4 M.

No one to offload. If Crane wants Snell he's going to have to stomach a payroll we'd never been anywhere close to before.
With all that said, I feel like if there was/is a time in this dynasty run to shell out that kind of money, it's 2024-25. Especially if you can add a guy that materially changes the complexion of our pitching staff. Not just his ability to be a potential game 1-2 starter, but other guys the rotation get slotted down and turn France/Urquidy into top-end bullpen middle innings eaters/depth guys.

I'm not a huge fan of our rotation with Framber, Javier and Brown as our 1-3. But if you're telling me that they're (arguably) our 3-5 when JV gets back + Snell, sign me the F up. I say that trepidatiously because slotting the precise pitcher rotation is kind of pointless, but you get my general drift.

My question would be whether or not we could feasibly get back under the cap in 2026. It doesn't seem like we have much room to maneuver after 2024 either, but we'll be defending a title in 2025... so guessing Crane will be willing to pay the bill again.

But 2026, we lose Abreu, Montero, JV, Pressly, Framber would likely be gone if we make a big commitment to Snell, and maybe Tucker too. That seems like good opportunity to get back under and reset. Could be wrong though.
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iBrad said:

Well, we did win the division and the head-to-head, so it's more like King Kong got the best of Godzilla in the playoffs and now Godzilla is back to reclaim supremacy.
They won the World Series. Everything else is ms. congeniality next to that.
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2020: A's win AL West, Astros knock them out in ALDS
2021: Giants win NL West, Dodgers eliminate them in NLDS… Rays win AL East, eliminated by Red Sox in ALDS
2022: Braves win NL East, Phillies eliminate them in NLDS. Dodgers win NL West, Padres eliminate them in NLDS
2023: Braves win NL East, Phillies eliminate them in NLDS. Astros win AL West, Rangers eliminate them in ALCS.

That's only in the last four seasons… the amount of division winners eliminated by the wild card team from their division is crazy. Really goes to show that home-field advantage isn't all that it used to be.
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Teams that win the division often have a deeper rotation and/or deeper bullpen. Once you're in the playoffs, that advantage is neutralized and teams can win with two frontline starters and 2-3 arms in the pen to follow them.

We won the division because the Rangers' pitching was a mess. But they had two starters and few bullpen arms carry them in the postseason. Let's not forget that either of us could have easily missed the postseason, though.

That's why you have to keep making the playoffs. Winning a World Series is a crapshoot.
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I still keep expecting the Rangers to sign one of them. At least one. Their SP just isn't good and they should have a decent money bounce from the WS.
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The Porkchop Express said:

iBrad said:

Well, we did win the division and the head-to-head, so it's more like King Kong got the best of Godzilla in the playoffs and now Godzilla is back to reclaim supremacy.
They won the World Series. Everything else is ms. congeniality next to that.


Agreed. They won last year. They get all the credit. We get little.

But this year doesn't care who won what last year. My thinking is a decline is likely unless these young whipper snappers go nuts and pitching holds.
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Farmer1906 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

iBrad said:

Well, we did win the division and the head-to-head, so it's more like King Kong got the best of Godzilla in the playoffs and now Godzilla is back to reclaim supremacy.
They won the World Series. Everything else is ms. congeniality next to that.


Agreed. They won last year. They get all the credit. We get little.

But this year doesn't care who won what last year. My thinking is a decline is likely unless these young whipper snappers go nuts and pitching holds.

They had a bunch of guys mysteriously have career years offensively. They should regress hard this year
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The Porkchop Express said:

Farmer1906 said:

Fangraphs thinks we have a better chance of winning the WS than the Rangers do of winning the AL West. Is that true? I have no idea, but do their fans realize where they stand? Or is any doubt just haters?


Feels like no fan base that just won a World Series is going to GAF about what a computer says. Their fans are on top of the world and rightfully so. Regardless of what happens this year. But for now they are the King Kong, and until we prove otherwise, we're just one of the airplanes trying to shoot them down from atop the Empire State Building.
You're not wrong...but we're not some little plane buzzing around...we're an AC-130 aiming right down the barrel at them
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If we are looking for middle relief, he might not be a bad guy to try and pick up for cheap
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Yes, we'd be able to get under tax in 26. But it would be a question do we have any money to allocate for Framber, Tucker, & Bregman the year before.
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Per Chandler, Snell puts you about $13M over the third threshold. If they want to avoid that then does the sign Snell and trade Framber move make sense? Framber and Montero to the Yanks for Kahnle and a bunch of prospects saves you about $17-18M. Can't really think of another team who might be willing to take on that much $ at this point in the year.
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I would think they want to add Snell rather than replace Framber.

That seems like doing a deal just to do a deal.
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Knowing our luck Framber would go to the Jankees and become the next perennial Cy Young winner
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All I do is Nguyen said:

Knowing our luck Framber would go to the Jankees and become the next perennial Cy Young winner

We haven't had a lot of bad luck with others finding success after they leave.
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Ag_07 said:

All I do is Nguyen said:

Knowing our luck Framber would go to the Jankees and become the next perennial Cy Young winner

We haven't had a lot of bad luck with others finding success after they leave.
Charlie Morton is really the only one from recent history that comes to mind. My buddy in the office at the time said they let him go because the had concerns about if his shoulder would hold up. Turns out his shoulder did hold up and he could have helped us out.
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texasaggie2015 said:

Nehomar Ochoa is someone who was mentioned to me a few days ago as someone they think has all-star potential. He's 18 and there's a wide range of outcomes as far as development goes. But he has all the tools and ability in the world.


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Joe Musgrove has done well. Although he was traded rather than allowed to walk.
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Mathguy64 said:

Joe Musgrove has done well. Although he was traded rather than allowed to walk.


Yup. We had to give up something to get Cole. As good as Hoe has been, his best year doesnt compare to Cole in Houston.
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Farmer1906 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Joe Musgrove has done well. Although he was traded rather than allowed to walk.


Yup. We had to give up something to get Cole. As good as Hoe has been, his best year doesnt compare to Cole in Houston.


If you get a good Hoe you never want to let them walk away. You should only trade up to a better one.
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All I do is Nguyen said:

Knowing our luck Framber would go to the Jankees and become the next perennial Cy Young winner

Framer may have an issue dealing with the pressure playing in New York.
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tjack16 said:

I'd offer snell the 6 year 150, with opt out after year 2, 4 and the final year with a player option.

That way you have him guaranteed for 2024 and 2025. No state income tax, 25M AAV, and a great shot at a
WS title.


I also think Montgomery would be a great pick up as well. And probably cheaper if Snell is too high

If it were me making the decision to go after Snell or Montgomery I'd sign Montgomery. Snell has been too inconsistent but I'm not Crane so what do I know.
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Mathguy64 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Joe Musgrove has done well. Although he was traded rather than allowed to walk.


Yup. We had to give up something to get Cole. As good as Hoe has been, his best year doesnt compare to Cole in Houston.


If you get a good Hoe you never want to let them walk away. You should only trade up to a better one.



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BCEDAg said:

tjack16 said:

I'd offer snell the 6 year 150, with opt out after year 2, 4 and the final year with a player option.

That way you have him guaranteed for 2024 and 2025. No state income tax, 25M AAV, and a great shot at a
WS title.


I also think Montgomery would be a great pick up as well. And probably cheaper if Snell is too high

If it were me making the decision to go after Snell or Montgomery I'd sign Montgomery. Snell has been too inconsistent but I'm not Crane so what do I know.

Crane wants Snell and has wanted him since last year. He seems to chase names. I remember hearing some of the guys he wanted Click to go after to play center field, and they ended up with the Mets and didn't do squat. I think that's part of how we got abreu at first. I agree, Montgomery is who I would want if the two, but Crane doesn't see things the same for whatever reason.
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tjack16 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Mathguy64 said:

Joe Musgrove has done well. Although he was traded rather than allowed to walk.


Yup. We had to give up something to get Cole. As good as Hoe has been, his best year doesnt compare to Cole in Houston.


If you get a good Hoe you never want to let them walk away. You should only trade up to a better one.





Idea for Houston sports radio stations... Get former Astro LJ Hoes to go do appearances and remotes all over the city and broadcast it. Call the segment "Hoes in different areas codes"
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There's a first time for everything I guess in terms of people going there and playing better
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He does seem to set his sights on certain guys he attaches to but Abreu was the best available option at 1B and we needed to move on from Yuli.
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Crane loves Snell but it's not just Crane. It's a lot of folks behind the scenes.
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