***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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redline248 said:

I hate that 2020 had such an effect on the counting stuff for Altuve. Others, as well, but mostly Altuve. Possibly another 100 hits he would have, etc.
With the injuries in 2019 and last year plus COVID in 2020, he has lost 2 prime seasons. He could be at 2400 hits right now instead of 2047.
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tjack16 said:

Early candidate for photo of the year in 2024



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going back to the tweet...that listed the players in attendance...

specifically Hensley and Julks...

Dana has upgraded the bench such that these guys won't be on the opening day roster -- right?

the fans can't take another 400 mediocre plate appearances from them
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W said:

Dana has upgraded the bench head coach such that these guys won't be on the opening day roster -- right?

FIFY

But in all honesty I don't think the bench has been upgraded has it?

So they may be on the roster but they won't be getting near the ABs Dusty was giving them.
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W said:

going back to the tweet...that listed the players in attendance...

specifically Hensley and Julks...

Dana has upgraded the bench such that these guys won't be on the opening day roster -- right?

the fans can't take another 400 mediocre plate appearances from them


It's possible.

Doobie & Caratini will be the top 2 on the bench. After that it'll be a mix (two) of Singleton, Kessinger, Cabbage, Salazar, Hensley, Julks, & Corona. There are a few other options (NRI) Berryhill, Stubbs, Palma, Gittens, Wagner, Dezenzo, Machado, Whitcomb, Looerfido, Leon, Hamilton, & Melton.

I'd guess it's one of Singleton/Cabbage along with Kessinger. A lot of ball to play to figure it out.

That gives you 2 lefties on the bench. As well as 2 guys who can play anywhere in the INF. And in Dubon's case anywhere in the OF.
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thinking about the bench...

Dubon and Cabbage should keep Hensley in Sugarland -- those two are the reserve infielders

edit...plus Kessinger on the infield

is Julks the 5th outfielder? (behind Yordan / Dubon) I guess so
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Cabbage, Caratini, Dubon, Kessinger are who I expect to be on the bench from connecting the dots based off everything I've been told.

Cabbage can play corner outfield and first base. There's a couple guys in the scouting department who really believe in him- and they have enough influence to where I think he's going to get a shot barring a horrific spring.

Caratini and Dubon are obvious choices.

Kessinger plays a good SS and has a good eye at the plate. He might not ever hit for a high average but he can work a count and draw a walk. I was told over the offseason that if the Astros included Pena in a trade (this was back when the Dylan Cease discussions were happening) they would be comfortable giving him the job.

If I had to guess, I think Singleton's days as an Astro are numbered. Cabbage's versatility and upside gives him the edge. Hensley and Julks will likely begin the year in AAA- but having guys with big league experience ready to be called up in case there's an injury is valuable.
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I'd be good with that bench.
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I can't wait until Justin Dirden has another scorching ST and makes us all ponder giving him a spot on the ML roster out of camp.
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I actually don't think he got an invite. Makes that whole thing even crazier.
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Told y'all fatty Dirden wasn't it. We have 5 left-handed OFs I take over him to get a shot, 8 if you count righties.
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Farmer1906 said:

I found this interesting regarding the Matt Chapman market.

https://theathletic.com/5185712/2024/01/08/rosenthal-notebook-matt-chapman-giants/
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One club, in considering free-agent third baseman Matt Chapman, researched the question: What was the biggest free-agent contract for a position player who batted under .250 with fewer than 20 homers in his platform season?

Those numbers apply to Chapman, who batted .240 with 17 homers for the Toronto Blue Jays last season. And the answer to the club's question turned out to be Curtis Granderson, who signed a four-year, $60 million deal with the Mets after batting .232 with 18 homers for the New York Yankees in 2013.

Chapman, entering his age-31 season, almost certainly will get more than $60 million, and not simply because of inflation. He is a four-time Gold Glove winner who has averaged 149 games in his five full seasons. And while he batted .205 with a .659 OPS after April 30, in part due to a right-middle finger issue that hampered him in the final two months, his hard-hit and exit-velocity numbers for the season nonetheless were among the best in the league.

We're just a tick above a month away from pitchers and catchers reporting. I hope we'd be willing to swoop in at the last minute if the market continues to stay slow. If we can get him at <20 M (plus some incentivies) for ~4 years, I think it would be worth it. We'd lose a pick thanks to the QO (probably hurting his market too), but we'd more than make it up by trading away Bregman.
This post is from a month ago. Monty, Bellinger, Snell. & Chapman are still out there.

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I have to think Boras is working to squeeze every last dollar for Monty. I have a hard time believing the Rangers won't cave given how bad their SP situation is this year without him.

Bellinger and Chapman will be fascinating to watch.
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07ag said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Daddy-O5 said:


It's going to be really terrible if he goes into a huge slump a few years from now and we trade him.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


The last sentence is interesting, not sure how that hasn't happened yet
I might need Mathguy to double-check me here, but this still hasn't happened.

Per spotrac Altuve will end his career with 286 M.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/jose-altuve-8688/cash-earnings/
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spadilly said:




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OOPS!
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Farmer1906 said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


The last sentence is interesting, not sure how that hasn't happened yet
I might need Mathguy to double-check me here, but this still hasn't happened.

Per spotrac Altuve will end his career with 286 M.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/jose-altuve-8688/cash-earnings/


That looks correct
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spadilly said:




WHY IS JULKS LISTED AT STARTING DH!?!?!?

DUSTIED AGAIN!!!
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Looks like the top is who we'll run out against Washington and the bottom is against the Cards. I think?
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Its labeled ST. Spring Training
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bearkatag15 said:

spadilly said:




WHY IS JULKS LISTED AT STARTING DH!?!?!?

DUSTIED AGAIN!!!
And we're trading for Aledyms Diaz to play catcher.
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bearkatag15 said:

Farmer1906 said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


The last sentence is interesting, not sure how that hasn't happened yet
I might need Mathguy to double-check me here, but this still hasn't happened.

Per spotrac Altuve will end his career with 286 M.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/jose-altuve-8688/cash-earnings/


That looks correct
would be over 300 if not for 2020 pro rata
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This is what I got so far.

Edit: Added a few I figured out.
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We trading McCormick?
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Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

We trading McCormick?
I looked for him. Assumed he would be starting on one of the 2 outfields. Maybe he's starting in LF on the top but that looked like "MAC" to me which I assumed was a nickname for Machado
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Chad Stevens is 3B behind Hensley and I think Jesus Bastidas behind Altuve
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That's just spring training stuff guys. Doesn't have any indication on what the major league roster will look like
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We're baseball starved!
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Right there with you. I'm a dork and found a YouTube channel with thousands of old random regular season games. Nothing beats the nostalgia of a random game like 2003 Indians/Orioles to get you through the offseason. They have lots of Astros games too.
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I believe the name in right field is Daniels for Zach Daniels and that's Brice Matthews at SS on the top one.

The name under Melton in center is going to be Brewer for Jordan Brewer. I believe he's also listed under Singleton at first base in the top one.

Game #1:

LF: McCormick, Cabbage
CF: Meyers, Cole
RF: Julks, Daniels
3B: Hensley, Stevens
SS: Dubon, Matthews
2B: Kessinger, ???
1B: Singleton, Brewer
P: Blanco(?)
C: Caratini, Stubbs

Game #2:

LF: Alvarez, Barber
CF: Melton, Brewer
RF: Tucker, Daniels
3B: Bregman, Dezenzo
SS: Pena, Stevens
2B: Altuve, Bastidas
1B: Abreu, ???
C: Diaz, Berryhill
P: Brown
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Sometimes eBay has some hidden gems. Got this for $20

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