***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 10:41a, 1/23/24
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EastCoastAgNc said:
Crane and Bagwell are dealing with contracts and free agency.
Bagwell ain't dealing with shlt. This narrative has been shot down multiple times over and there's nothing to indicate it's true. He's probably chillin in Cabo throwing back tequila shots on his fishing yacht.
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Eventually this is gonna blow up in Crane's face, but I hope that's many years down the road.
Heard this before too and it's yet to come to fruition. The train keeps rolling.


Honestly WGAF who does what as long as a winning team is being built and top end talent is coming in I couldn't care less. Only TexAgs can make the addition of one of the most dominant BP arms of this generation a negative.

Just win baby!
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:51a, 1/23/24
Ag_07 said:
EastCoastAgNc said:
Crane and Bagwell are dealing with contracts and free agency.
Bagwell ain't dealing with shlt. This narrative has been shot down multiple times over and there's nothing to indicate it's true. He's probably chillin in Cabo throwing back tequila shots on his fishing yacht.
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Eventually this is gonna blow up in Crane's face, but I hope that's many years down the road.
Heard this before too and it's yet to come to fruition. The train keeps rolling.


Honestly WGAF who does what as long as a winning team is being built and top end talent is coming in I couldn't care less. Only TexAgs can make the addition of one of the most dominant BP arms of this generation a negative.

Just win baby!
this. DGAF how we do it. just do it.
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11:05a, 1/23/24
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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11:17a, 1/23/24
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SIAP. Just saw it on X, /offseason.

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11:53a, 1/23/24
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AL West Year-to-Year Changes (FA)

Astros
Leaving
  • Maldonado
  • Neris
  • Maton
  • Stanek
2023 WAR: 0.3
2024 Proj WAR: 0.3

Joining
  • Hader
  • Caratini
2023 WAR: 2.8
2024 Proj WAR: 2.2

NET
2023 WAR: +2.5
2024 Proj WAR: +1.9


Angels

Leaving
  • Ohtani
  • Wallach
  • Lamb
  • Phillips
  • Barria
  • Grichuk
  • Urshela
  • Loup
  • Moustakas
  • Cron
  • Walsh
  • Escobar
2023 WAR: 6.8 (Ohtani had 9.0 by himself)
2024 Proj WAR: 5.8

Joining
  • Stephenson
  • Garcia
  • Cimber
  • Plesac
  • Kolarek
  • Marisnick
  • Wallach
  • Dozier
  • Mekia
2023 WAR: 0.6
2024 Proj WAR: 1.2

NET
2023 WAR: -6.2
2024 Proj WAR: -4.6


As
Leaving
  • Pruitt
  • Kemp
  • Pina
  • Familia
  • Rucinski
2023 WAR: -0.5
2024 Proj WAR: 1.9

Joining
  • Gott
2023 WAR: 1.0
2024 Proj WAR: 0.2

NET
2023 WAR: +1.5
2024 Proj WAR: -1.7


Mariners
Leaving
  • Hernandez
  • Murphy
  • Castillo
  • Ford
  • La Stella
  • Leone
2023 WAR: 2.0
2024 Proj WAR: 2.4

Joining
  • Garver
  • Chavis
2023 WAR: 2.2
2024 Proj WAR: 1.6

NET
2023 WAR: +0.2
2024 Proj WAR: -0.8


Rangers
Leaving
  • Garver
  • Chapman
  • Stretton
  • Perez
  • Smith
  • Hedges
  • Leon
  • Montgomery
  • Jankowski
  • Grossman
  • Miller
  • Bush
  • Odorizzi
  • Martin
2023 WAR: 11.9
2024 Proj WAR: 8.8

Joining
  • Mahle
  • Yates
  • Knizner
  • Pruitt
  • Greene
  • Castillo
  • Urena
2023 WAR: -0.1
2024 Proj WAR: 0.8

NET
2023 WAR: -12.0
2024 Proj WAR: -8.0


Ranked
1. Astros +2.5, +1.9 got slightly better
2. As +1.5, -1.7 about the same
3. Mariners +0.2, -0.8 about the same
4. Angels -6.2, -4.6 got way worse (lost Ohtani, duh)
5. Rangers -12.0, -8.0 significantly worse (shocked by how much)
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11:59a, 1/23/24
When I started reading this discussion on who gets credit/blane for the Hader deal, I was going to joke that I couldn't wait until it gets blamed on Bagwell if it goes wrong

I didn't even have to wait for that to happen! Texags is already on that bandwagon.

Never change, Texags!
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In reply to FredMc92 • 12:09p, 1/23/24
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The second Bagwell's name is used I stop reading fiction.
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12:10p, 1/23/24
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Maybe an Austin Meadows reclamation project? Based on what Brown recently said about offensive addition it would be via trade?

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-mlb-free-agents-by-position


LEFT FIELDERS

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (30 years old, 3.2 WAR) -- signed 3-year deal with AZ (Dec. 22)
Joc Pederson (32, 2.7)
Tommy Pham (36, 2.5)
David Peralta (36, 1.8)
Michael Brantley (37, 1.4) -- retired
Joey Gallo (30, 1.4)
Travis Jankowski (33, 1.0)
Jurickson Profar (31, 0.6)
Jordan Luplow (30, 0.5) -- signed MiLB deal with ATL (Jan. 10)
Eddie Rosario (32, 0.2)
Robbie Grossman (34, 0.1)
Corey Dickerson (35, -0.2)
Ben Gamel (32, -0.2)
Willie Calhoun (29, -0.3) -- signed MiLB deal with LAA (Dec. 7)
AJ Pollock (36, -0.4)
Austin Meadows (30, -0.5)
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In reply to BadAggie • 12:12p, 1/23/24
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He was my pick early in the offseason.
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In reply to Daddy-O5 • 12:25p, 1/23/24
Daddy-O5 said:
SIAP. Just saw it on X, /offseason.

when I see videos like this and articles of former players and Current hall of famers talking about guys who deserve to be in and aren't, it pisses me off even more we have fat, out of shape baseball writers in charge of this prestigious honor. It actually is rediculous.
Gig 'Em and God Bless
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:26p, 1/23/24
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AgLA06 said:
The second Bagwell's name is used I stop reading fiction.
Well I guess that should have been our clue yesterday that Dana had anything to do with it. He specifically said in the press conference's opening remarks that he "had to talk to Bagwell on it".
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In reply to BadAggie • 12:26p, 1/23/24
BadAggie said:
Maybe an Austin Meadows reclamation project? Based on what Brown recently said about offensive addition it would be via trade?

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-mlb-free-agents-by-position


LEFT FIELDERS

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (30 years old, 3.2 WAR) -- signed 3-year deal with AZ (Dec. 22)
Joc Pederson (32, 2.7)
Tommy Pham (36, 2.5)
David Peralta (36, 1.8)
Michael Brantley (37, 1.4) -- retired
Joey Gallo (30, 1.4)
Travis Jankowski (33, 1.0)
Jurickson Profar (31, 0.6)
Jordan Luplow (30, 0.5) -- signed MiLB deal with ATL (Jan. 10)
Eddie Rosario (32, 0.2)
Robbie Grossman (34, 0.1)
Corey Dickerson (35, -0.2)
Ben Gamel (32, -0.2)
Willie Calhoun (29, -0.3) -- signed MiLB deal with LAA (Dec. 7)
AJ Pollock (36, -0.4)
Austin Meadows (30, -0.5)

You mean we could get future HOF, King Donkey? Somebody back up the Brinks truck.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:28p, 1/23/24
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Farmer1906 said:
No, but that's a nice 4th, 5th type starter who'll eat up regular season innings.

If he stays healthy. He's got a bad track record and dodger pitchers in general have a bad history. That's a bad combo.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 12:36p, 1/23/24
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TarponChaser said:
BadAggie said:
Maybe an Austin Meadows reclamation project? Based on what Brown recently said about offensive addition it would be via trade?

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-mlb-free-agents-by-position


LEFT FIELDERS

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (30 years old, 3.2 WAR) -- signed 3-year deal with AZ (Dec. 22)
Joc Pederson (32, 2.7)
Tommy Pham (36, 2.5)
David Peralta (36, 1.8)
Michael Brantley (37, 1.4) -- retired
Joey Gallo (30, 1.4)
Travis Jankowski (33, 1.0)
Jurickson Profar (31, 0.6)
Jordan Luplow (30, 0.5) -- signed MiLB deal with ATL (Jan. 10)
Eddie Rosario (32, 0.2)
Robbie Grossman (34, 0.1)
Corey Dickerson (35, -0.2)
Ben Gamel (32, -0.2)
Willie Calhoun (29, -0.3) -- signed MiLB deal with LAA (Dec. 7)
AJ Pollock (36, -0.4)
Austin Meadows (30, -0.5)

You mean we could get future HOF, King Donkey? Somebody back up the Brinks truck.
Meadows has missed a bunch of time for mental health issues the last 2 years. Not trying to belittle that by any means, just have to know that you may be signing someone who could miss significant time.
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 12:50p, 1/23/24
EastCoastAgNc said:
TarponChaser said:
BadAggie said:
Maybe an Austin Meadows reclamation project? Based on what Brown recently said about offensive addition it would be via trade?

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-mlb-free-agents-by-position


LEFT FIELDERS

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (30 years old, 3.2 WAR) -- signed 3-year deal with AZ (Dec. 22)
Joc Pederson (32, 2.7)
Tommy Pham (36, 2.5)
David Peralta (36, 1.8)
Michael Brantley (37, 1.4) -- retired
Joey Gallo (30, 1.4)
Travis Jankowski (33, 1.0)
Jurickson Profar (31, 0.6)
Jordan Luplow (30, 0.5) -- signed MiLB deal with ATL (Jan. 10)
Eddie Rosario (32, 0.2)
Robbie Grossman (34, 0.1)
Corey Dickerson (35, -0.2)
Ben Gamel (32, -0.2)
Willie Calhoun (29, -0.3) -- signed MiLB deal with LAA (Dec. 7)
AJ Pollock (36, -0.4)
Austin Meadows (30, -0.5)

You mean we could get future HOF, King Donkey? Somebody back up the Brinks truck.
Meadows has missed a bunch of time for mental health issues the last 2 years. Not trying to belittle that by any means, just have to know that you may be signing someone who could miss significant time.
I was referring to Joey Gallo...
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 1:31p, 1/23/24
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Brown had 0% to do with it. This was all Crane. I can say that with absolute certainty.
The more I'm reading, the more I'm understanding why Click and Crane didn't get along.
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1:56p, 1/23/24
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Looks like Wagner's HOF tally will be very close to the cutoff. Not sure he'll get there...
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In reply to Beat40 • 1:59p, 1/23/24
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Beat40 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
Brown had 0% to do with it. This was all Crane. I can say that with absolute certainty.
The more I'm reading, the more I'm understanding why Click and Crane didn't get along.

I, too, have worked with some Crane-esque executives.

Minus all the winning.
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2:15p, 1/23/24
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Wagner is at 78.4% with 55.5% of ballots known to the public. It's gonna be tight, but I have a good feeling. I think he ends up around 77%.

Edit to add: It could be a big year for the Wagner household if Billy gets the call to Cooperstown and Will gets the call to Houston for his debut at some point
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2:17p, 1/23/24
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IIRC, he did poorly with the non-public ballots last year. Hope he sees a similar improvement rate with those.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:17p, 1/23/24
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texasaggie2015 said:
FWIW- Crane handled 100% of the Hader negotiations. He tends to step in and do that when there's someone he wants.

Not entirely sure how I would feel about that if I was the GM.
FWIW, supposedly Drayton did the same thing with the Carlos Lee signing. When Drayton heard Carlos was a rancher on the side, he stepped in and signed him to a too long contract.,.

I actually trust Crane and both his business judgement and to some extent his baseball judgement.
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2:20p, 1/23/24
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In 2023 Wagner was at 71.3% of public and known private ballots. He finished at 68.1%. If he sees a similar drop, it'll be so so close.
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2:31p, 1/23/24
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Wagner has received 14 of 16 new voters. May come down to the people no longer with a ballot and whether they voted for him last year or not. It will be very close. Leaning no right now IMO.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:31p, 1/23/24
texasaggie2015 said:
Wagner is at 78.4% with 55.5% of ballots known to the public. It's gonna be tight, but I have a good feeling. I think he ends up around 77%.

Edit to add: It could be a big year for the Wagner household if Billy gets the call to Cooperstown and Will gets the call to Houston for his debut at some point
That would be awesome!
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3:25p, 1/23/24
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One more for Wags
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One more for Wags
Beltran may just steal enough votes to get in
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4:06p, 1/23/24
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Blows my mind how Beltran gets a pass for being the ringleader of the whole freaking mess.
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 4:07p, 1/23/24
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Blows my mind how Beltran gets a pass for being the ringleader of the whole freaking mess.

Well, he did lose his Mets managerial job before ever coaching a game.
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4:21p, 1/23/24
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But the self righteous indignation that the journalistic elites espouse has significantly dissipated. Unless the Astros are the topic of damn near any conversation, of course.
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4:33p, 1/23/24
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No King Donkey for us.

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In reply to agproducer • 4:38p, 1/23/24
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Trade bait
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Stanek has good stuff but is so incredibly inconsistent from outing to outing and not reliable.
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