Yankees making progress on Marcus Stroman deal
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 12, 2024
Spend all your money so we can land Hicks easier.
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Spend all your money so we can land Hicks easier.
Not sure the veracity of the claim...2015, what say ye?Per my sources the Astros offered Dubon more than he was asking but as a true team player he wanted less. Both sides couldn’t agree to terms https://t.co/2EnBLHBpu9
— Steven B (@Steven_B_90) January 12, 2024
I think it was an attempt at humor
Fair point
The Yankees have reportedly agreed to a multi-year deal with Marcus Stroman. pic.twitter.com/rPovJMomac
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) January 12, 2024
Stroman in agreement with Yankees on 2 yrs deal with an option averaging $18.5M a season
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) January 12, 2024
Yankees gave Soto $31m
EastCoastAgNc said:
Yankees gave Soto $31m
They didn't have much of an option. Thats what he was due this year.
Stroman left 2.5 M on the table if he doesn't opt out. He would have only needed to beat 1/16 M next year to top the contract the Yankees gave him.
The Tigers, as a file-and-trial team, will now go to a hearing with Mize over $25K unless they sign him to a multi-year deal, which is unlikely considering how much time he has missed.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 12, 2024
Getting everybody good and pissed off over $25k seems like a choice that could be easily avoided
EastCoastAgNc said:The Tigers, as a file-and-trial team, will now go to a hearing with Mize over $25K unless they sign him to a multi-year deal, which is unlikely considering how much time he has missed.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 12, 2024
Getting everybody good and pissed off over $25k seems like a choice that could be easily avoided
It's not as extreme but I felt really annoyed we pissed Tucker off for not meeting his 7.5M request.
2.5 M matters. And if he got 7.5 last year then he probably gets a few million over 12 this year. Same for next year. That hearing, could be the different in about 10 M over 3 years.
Mauricio Dubon has filed for $3.5 million, while the Astros countered at $3 million.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 12, 2024
Farmer1906 said:
2.5 M matters. And if he got 7.5 last year then he probably gets a few million over 12 this year. Same for next year. That hearing, could be the different in about 10 M over 3 years.
I do feel like that's a small price to pay for a player of his caliber that you'd like to keep happy for future extension talks.
EastCoastAgNc said:The Tigers, as a file-and-trial team, will now go to a hearing with Mize over $25K unless they sign him to a multi-year deal, which is unlikely considering how much time he has missed.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 12, 2024
Getting everybody good and pissed off over $25k seems like a choice that could be easily avoided
At some point the cost of the arbitrator and your time and effort costs money.
tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:
2.5 M matters. And if he got 7.5 last year then he probably gets a few million over 12 this year. Same for next year. That hearing, could be the different in about 10 M over 3 years.
I do feel like that's a small price to pay for a player of his caliber that you'd like to keep happy for future extension talks.
The money saved might be worth a 3rd year of Hicks.
I think we all know an extension isn't happening.
tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:
2.5 M matters. And if he got 7.5 last year then he probably gets a few million over 12 this year. Same for next year. That hearing, could be the different in about 10 M over 3 years.
I do feel like that's a small price to pay for a player of his caliber that you'd like to keep happy for future extension talks.
We always knew Tucker would command $300M as a FA and that is not our MO. Not to mention we had already shat on him with him being behind Reddick and only entering his 2 year of arbitration when he realistically should have been a FA this year (pre arb 2018-2020, Arb 21-23).
Unfortunately he was never going to be a lifetime Astro.
Chas is looking around likeEastCoastAgNc said:Mauricio Dubon has filed for $3.5 million, while the Astros countered at $3 million.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 12, 2024
redline248 said:Chas is looking around likeEastCoastAgNc said:Mauricio Dubon has filed for $3.5 million, while the Astros countered at $3 million.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 12, 2024
Dubon has more value due to his versatility
Astros CBT Payroll Update
— Astros Stats 📈 (@astro_numbers) January 12, 2024
(1st Threshold: $237,000,000)
Cot's Baseball Contracts
$239,948,810
FanGraphs (RosterResource)
$236,321,032
Spotrac
$235,258,809
Basically any move puts us over if we're not already. There's no real option to clear salary u less we find someone to take on Montero.
Farmer1906 said:Astros CBT Payroll Update
— Astros Stats 📈 (@astro_numbers) January 12, 2024
(1st Threshold: $237,000,000)
Cot's Baseball Contracts
$239,948,810
FanGraphs (RosterResource)
$236,321,032
Spotrac
$235,258,809
Basically any move puts us over if we're not already. There's no real option to clear salary u less we find someone to take on Montero.
Or resign someone to an extension and defer the crap out of the $$.
Mathguy64 said:Farmer1906 said:Astros CBT Payroll Update
— Astros Stats 📈 (@astro_numbers) January 12, 2024
(1st Threshold: $237,000,000)
Cot's Baseball Contracts
$239,948,810
FanGraphs (RosterResource)
$236,321,032
Spotrac
$235,258,809
Basically any move puts us over if we're not already. There's no real option to clear salary u less we find someone to take on Montero.
Or resign someone to an extension and defer the crap out of the $$.
The only one that could make any sense would be Altuve. His AAV is just north of 23 M. Maybe you extend him around 20 M a season. You save 1-2 M but that's about it.
"Internally the Yankees have had a lot of conversations about Jordan Hicks" - Jack Curry pic.twitter.com/njngT6AAEI
— Fireside Yankees (@FiresideYankees) January 11, 2024
I have a feeling the Yankees are gonna sign Jordan Hicks before they get on the plane to Spring Training. That will be the last move of the offseason.
— Jimmy Randazzo (@JimmyRandazzo) January 12, 2024
Stros losing two offseasons in a row.
It really is something watching the Yankees continue to go the way of blunt force trauma to try and build a winner.
The Rays continue develop great young talent, the Blue Jays are a mix of their own guys and a few free agent splashes, the Orioles' homegrown unit is a blast to watch, and here's New York stacking Soto on top of Stanton on top of Judge like they are the Bash Brothers Version 57, gonna pound you into the ground!
In 2024, they'll pay Soto $31 million, Stanton $32 million and Judge $40 million - $103 million for 3 guys.
Soto just seems like a guy who must be a real PitA. He's this generational talent who is already on his third team by age 25, and kept saying he was interested in staying in Washington, but had Boras turn down offers of 13 years, $350 million and 15 years, $440 million.
The Rays continue develop great young talent, the Blue Jays are a mix of their own guys and a few free agent splashes, the Orioles' homegrown unit is a blast to watch, and here's New York stacking Soto on top of Stanton on top of Judge like they are the Bash Brothers Version 57, gonna pound you into the ground!
In 2024, they'll pay Soto $31 million, Stanton $32 million and Judge $40 million - $103 million for 3 guys.
Soto just seems like a guy who must be a real PitA. He's this generational talent who is already on his third team by age 25, and kept saying he was interested in staying in Washington, but had Boras turn down offers of 13 years, $350 million and 15 years, $440 million.
These are the 23 arbitration-eligible players that did not reach terms on a contract, including the salary amounts requested by both the players and teams, per @JeffPassan pic.twitter.com/HvSuwmsICL
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) January 12, 2024
The Casey Mize one is ridiculous
Adolis wanting nearly 40% more sounds about right. Hope he's unhappy as hell.
Farmer1906 said:Mathguy64 said:Farmer1906 said:Astros CBT Payroll Update
— Astros Stats 📈 (@astro_numbers) January 12, 2024
(1st Threshold: $237,000,000)
Cot's Baseball Contracts
$239,948,810
FanGraphs (RosterResource)
$236,321,032
Spotrac
$235,258,809
Basically any move puts us over if we're not already. There's no real option to clear salary u less we find someone to take on Montero.
Or resign someone to an extension and defer the crap out of the $$.
The only one that could make any sense would be Altuve. His AAV is just north of 23 M. Maybe you extend him around 20 M a season. You save 1-2 M but that's about it.
The Ohtani deferment suggests that's not how it works. He should have an AAV of $70MM. He's being paid $2MM. But his cap value is only like $43MM. I think the cap hit is like 60% of the AAV during the deferred period.
It's kicking the cash way down the road and lowering the CBT amount too.
I agree Altuve is the candidate. If you could get him to defer his contract in a Bonilla type deal you would cut your real cash obligation now and your CBT amount by $7-8MM as well. Again you kick the can way down the road but if Crane figures by then he's not in the picture to deal with the ramifications what does he care.
But in order to get a high level player to accept that kind of deal, you're going to have to overpay them in total dollars. That lessens the money paid out of pocket now but the AAV would still be high.
If Altuve wants 4/80 M and we offer 4/80 with 50 M deferred until 2040 then the AAV would be low but Altuve wouldn't accept. We'd need to do something like 4/150 M with 100 M deferred. That AAV would be about as high.
Ohtani isn't worth 700 M without the deferral. He's probably worth 400-500 M.
If Altuve wants 4/80 M and we offer 4/80 with 50 M deferred until 2040 then the AAV would be low but Altuve wouldn't accept. We'd need to do something like 4/150 M with 100 M deferred. That AAV would be about as high.
Ohtani isn't worth 700 M without the deferral. He's probably worth 400-500 M.
Didn't I hear a rumor about Crane potentially looking to sell the team? I doubt large deferred contracts help that effort.
Not saying he is- can't remember the chatter- but it's a consideration.
Not saying he is- can't remember the chatter- but it's a consideration.
Marvin said:
Didn't I hear a rumor about Crane potentially looking to sell the team? I doubt large deferred contracts help that effort.
Not saying he is- can't remember the chatter- but it's a consideration.
That was a rumor started by that bonda attention ***** on Twitter. Don't believe anything he says, he just throws random crap out hoping to get lucky once.
This is the first interview Max and Gaby have given about their ordeal. After reading it, everyone will understand why Max sat out all of last season.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 12, 2024
Sounds like Montero better get right and earn his money by replacing Hector as the 7th inning guy. Not getting my hopes up about Hicks coming home.
Project Gemini said:
Adolis wanting nearly 40% more sounds about right. Hope he's unhappy as hell.
Why wouldn't he ask for more? He had a hell of a year and arguably carried them through the World Series. You've got to strike while the iron is hot.
Right. Juice up that contract while you canBeat40 said:Project Gemini said:
Adolis wanting nearly 40% more sounds about right. Hope he's unhappy as hell.
Why wouldn't he ask for more? He had a hell of a year and arguably carried them through the World Series. You've got to strike while the iron is hot.
I never said he shouldn't.Beat40 said:Project Gemini said:
Adolis wanting nearly 40% more sounds about right. Hope he's unhappy as hell.
Why wouldn't he ask for more? He had a hell of a year and arguably carried them through the World Series. You've got to strike while the iron is hot.
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