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Free agent RHP Kenta Maeda and the Detroit Tigers have reportedly agreed on a 2-year deal. pic.twitter.com/9088i5WgZR
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) November 27, 2023
Not sure his brand of inning-eating is going to fix the Tigers.
Farmer1906 said:Free agent RHP Kenta Maeda and the Detroit Tigers have reportedly agreed on a 2-year deal. pic.twitter.com/9088i5WgZR
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) November 27, 2023
Queue up all the hot takes about how a 2017 dodger is going to be managed by AJ
If only he would have seen the signs this was going to happenEastCoastAgNc said:Farmer1906 said:Free agent RHP Kenta Maeda and the Detroit Tigers have reportedly agreed on a 2-year deal. pic.twitter.com/9088i5WgZR
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) November 27, 2023
Queue up all the hot takes about how a 2017 dodger is going to be managed by AJ
Sonny Gray and the Cardinals are expected to finalize a deal today, via league sources
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) November 27, 2023
I'll be interested in the $ and years. He just had a monster year but he's 34 next season.
Short-ish term, high AAVFree-agent RHP Sonny Gray finalizing three-year, $75M contract with Cardinals, source tells @TheAthletic. First with expected agreement: @JonHeyman.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 27, 2023
Basically the same AAV as Nola but only goes to age 36, not 37. Well done, Sonny. Cards aren't getting prime years of 31-33. I think we have our market for SP. don't be shocked when Monty and Snell get 23-28 per year for 6-7 years.
The Braves and Dodgers are among several teams engaged with the White Sox on Dylan Cease trade talks, per @BNightengale pic.twitter.com/rAH11hECYa
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) November 27, 2023
If the braves get Cease, do they have to give up Strider and more? I wish the Astros would make SOME kind of move already.
No one is that stupid
"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
I doubt we'd get back enough to make it worth it. Players play up in their contract years, Breggy playing up for 1 year would probably provide more value to the team than whatever return you would get in a trade (unless you get offered some stud prospects).bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
Agree that it makes no sense on the surface to trade Bregman if we're serious about a 2024 WS run. And Bregman is probably my all-time favorite Astro.
However, I don't think there is any harm in listening to what teams will offer. Just because we're listening doesn't mean we have to pull the trigger. But I'd be interested in seeing what other teams would offer. Especially given the state of our farm right now.
However, I don't think there is any harm in listening to what teams will offer. Just because we're listening doesn't mean we have to pull the trigger. But I'd be interested in seeing what other teams would offer. Especially given the state of our farm right now.
I have no idea if this is still a possibility, but I can confirm it's something that has been discussed.
The idea would be to sign Matt Chapman and trade Bregman for pitching.
Again, key word is discussed. I have no idea how in depth those discussions were. But it's something that's been talked about.
The idea would be to sign Matt Chapman and trade Bregman for pitching.
Again, key word is discussed. I have no idea how in depth those discussions were. But it's something that's been talked about.
Man that would be rough for the fanbase to trade away Bregman.
Could benefit us but still that's a tough one that I don't envy the GM on having to decide
Could benefit us but still that's a tough one that I don't envy the GM on having to decide
My first thought was you could sign Chapman if someone made the right offer for Bregman.texasaggie2015 said:
I have no idea if this is still a possibility, but I can confirm it's something that has been discussed.
The idea would be to sign Matt Chapman and trade Bregman for pitching.
Again, key word is discussed. I have no idea how in depth those discussions were. But it's something that's been talked about.
Depends what you get back and what you do with the money. Can you sign an impact starter with the $30M in cash you save?Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
Wonder if it's more they're listening now to gauge the market for the 2024 deadline.
That way if things go sideways next season and at the deadline they're at a point where they want to move him they have somewhat of a gauge to go off of.
That way if things go sideways next season and at the deadline they're at a point where they want to move him they have somewhat of a gauge to go off of.
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
Could make some sense. He got a QO so that is a factor. He has elite batted ball metrics but they don't seem to add up to elite HR totals. I could still see him having a 2019 season in the bag.
Unless those "people" are "alex's agent" they're idiots.Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
Both those deals came from SD. We'll see what Chapman gets. Bregman will probably get 10-15% more and maybe a year longer.Terminus Est said:Unless those "people" are "alex's agent" they're idiots.Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
I just struggle to see any logical GMs spend that kind of money on him. I'm guessing he is wanting 6+ years at at least 30 AAV. Thats just too much for a guy who hasn't made an all star team in 4 seasons
How are you saving 30 M? It saves 20 M from the luxury tax payroll and 28.5 M in actual money being paid. The assumption is you get pitching back which isn't free. Then you have a giant hole at 3B with no replacement ready. The only one close on the market is Chapman and if you're willing to pay him, then why aren't you willing to pay Bregman?MaxPower said:Depends what you get back and what you do with the money. Can you sign an impact starter with the $30M in cash you save?Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
I am not even sure its the 30 AAV. A lot of guys are getting paid into their late 30s and into 40. Lower it to 23 AAV and that is still 9/207.tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
I just struggle to see any logical GMs spend that kind of money on him. I'm guessing he is wanting 6+ years at at least 30 AAV. Thats just too much for a guy who hasn't made an all star team in 4 seasons
Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
If you know you aren't gonna resign him it would make sense if you could help the depleted farm system with the knowledge you're losing him after this year anyways. Especially true if you can replace most of his production at third for this year
You got me, I was off by $1.5MFarmer1906 said:How are you saving 30 M? It saves 20 M from the luxury tax payroll and 28.5 M in actual money being paid. The assumption is you get pitching back which isn't free. Then you have a giant hole at 3B with no replacement ready. The only one close on the market is Chapman and if you're willing to pay him, then why aren't you willing to pay Bregman?MaxPower said:Depends what you get back and what you do with the money. Can you sign an impact starter with the $30M in cash you save?Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
MaxPower said:You got me, I was off by $1.5MFarmer1906 said:How are you saving 30 M? It saves 20 M from the luxury tax payroll and 28.5 M in actual money being paid. The assumption is you get pitching back which isn't free. Then you have a giant hole at 3B with no replacement ready. The only one close on the market is Chapman and if you're willing to pay him, then why aren't you willing to pay Bregman?MaxPower said:Depends what you get back and what you do with the money. Can you sign an impact starter with the $30M in cash you save?Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
So we're only getting prospects back then?
Farmer1906 said:I am not even sure its the 30 AAV. A lot of guys are getting paid into their late 30s and into 40. Lower it to 23 AAV and that is still 9/207.tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
I just struggle to see any logical GMs spend that kind of money on him. I'm guessing he is wanting 6+ years at at least 30 AAV. Thats just too much for a guy who hasn't made an all star team in 4 seasons
I'd honestly be okay with that deal. I'd even front load it if he takes it.
23 AAV will be nothing in 5+ years at around 2028 when players are making almost 50 M
mAgnoliAg said:Farmer1906 said:bearkatag15 said:"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman." @JimDuquetteGM isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) November 27, 2023
Here's what he's hearing about Bregman's availability in the trade market: @Astros | #Ready2Reign pic.twitter.com/sf0LrDflu0
This year?
It makes zero sense to trade Bregman if we're trying to win a title in 2024.
If you know you aren't gonna resign him it would make sense if you could help the depleted farm system with the knowledge you're losing him after this year anyways. Especially true if you can replace most of his production at third for this year
That's fine if you are wanting to pause the dynasty and try to extend it. But that means we're lowering our chances of the postseason and playoffs significantly in 2024 when you have so many guys still in their prime or near prime windows.
tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:I am not even sure its the 30 AAV. A lot of guys are getting paid into their late 30s and into 40. Lower it to 23 AAV and that is still 9/207.tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
I'd rather just roll with him in 2024 like you did with Correa a few years ago. I still don't see why we can't re-sign him
It's not like they are going to use that money for a Tucker extension or anything like that given what we've been hearing. So why not re-sign Bregman
Depends on what he's worth. People are trying to say he deserves Machado, Xander type money. We don't do those deals.
I just struggle to see any logical GMs spend that kind of money on him. I'm guessing he is wanting 6+ years at at least 30 AAV. Thats just too much for a guy who hasn't made an all star team in 4 seasons
I'd honestly be okay with that deal. I'd even front load it if he takes it.
23 AAV will be nothing in 5+ years at around 2028 when players are making almost 50 M
I might be too. But Crane isn't based on everything he's showed us.
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