Has to be Hyde.
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I was Thinking Hyde
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
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Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Hey Bidge.
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tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:
He lit up the WAR calculation with good defense and base running.
A borderline top 15 offensive player in the AL doesn't really defense MVP consideration unless you steal 70 bases or play super elite defense at Catcher, Short Stop, or Center Field.
His wRC+ was below Chas & Yainer. Guys Dusty wasn't convince should start.
I'm with you. TED and a few others probably deserve it over him.
If it's 5 nominees I could see Semien.
I'd go Ohtani, Seager, Tucker, Semien and Rodriguez as my 5 nominees. With Luis Robert as my alternate
Regular season?
Rodriguez had an amazing white hot month and was pedestrian for the rest.
Seager was injured a decent amount.
As great as Ohtani is, he was injured at the end.
Yordan put up the best per capita numbers for me but he was injured 40% of the season. Judge had a really good per capita season and he was out a bunch too.
Ohtani will win but this feels like a Trout year. Lots of stats that didn't do squat for his team.
What do you mean when you say "per capita"? Aren't every player's numbers per capita?
Mathguy64 said:tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:
He lit up the WAR calculation with good defense and base running.
A borderline top 15 offensive player in the AL doesn't really defense MVP consideration unless you steal 70 bases or play super elite defense at Catcher, Short Stop, or Center Field.
His wRC+ was below Chas & Yainer. Guys Dusty wasn't convince should start.
I'm with you. TED and a few others probably deserve it over him.
If it's 5 nominees I could see Semien.
I'd go Ohtani, Seager, Tucker, Semien and Rodriguez as my 5 nominees. With Luis Robert as my alternate
Regular season?
Rodriguez had an amazing white hot month and was pedestrian for the rest.
Seager was injured a decent amount.
As great as Ohtani is, he was injured at the end.
Yordan put up the best per capita numbers for me but he was injured 40% of the season. Judge had a really good per capita season and he was out a bunch too.
Ohtani will win but this feels like a Trout year. Lots of stats that didn't do squat for his team.
I hate this argument. The dude hit better than Yordan, Judge or Seager then threw 23 games of low 3 ERA. This isn't basketball where one player can carry a bad team. He's playing both sides of the ball at an elite level.
Is he just not willing them enough? I think he's providing more value than any player in history.
MVP is really an MOP award and Ohtani is obviously the most outstanding player.
And who's to say he's not the most valuable? It's not "most valuable to a good team". I'm sure the Angels would have been a lot "more bad" without him than any other team losing any other player.
And who's to say he's not the most valuable? It's not "most valuable to a good team". I'm sure the Angels would have been a lot "more bad" without him than any other team losing any other player.
Per game. Per AB.
Tucker put up 112 RBI and 29 HR in 157 games.
Yordan was 97/31 in 114 games. He was way more valuable to me. But he missed so many games he didn't get enough ABs to qualify
Tucker put up 112 RBI and 29 HR in 157 games.
Yordan was 97/31 in 114 games. He was way more valuable to me. But he missed so many games he didn't get enough ABs to qualify
Farmer1906 said:Mathguy64 said:tjack16 said:Farmer1906 said:
He lit up the WAR calculation with good defense and base running.
A borderline top 15 offensive player in the AL doesn't really defense MVP consideration unless you steal 70 bases or play super elite defense at Catcher, Short Stop, or Center Field.
His wRC+ was below Chas & Yainer. Guys Dusty wasn't convince should start.
I'm with you. TED and a few others probably deserve it over him.
If it's 5 nominees I could see Semien.
I'd go Ohtani, Seager, Tucker, Semien and Rodriguez as my 5 nominees. With Luis Robert as my alternate
Regular season?
Rodriguez had an amazing white hot month and was pedestrian for the rest.
Seager was injured a decent amount.
As great as Ohtani is, he was injured at the end.
Yordan put up the best per capita numbers for me but he was injured 40% of the season. Judge had a really good per capita season and he was out a bunch too.
Ohtani will win but this feels like a Trout year. Lots of stats that didn't do squat for his team.
I hate this argument. The dude hit better than Yordan, Judge or Seager then threw 23 games of low 3 ERA. This isn't basketball where one player can carry a bad team. He's playing both sides of the ball at an elite level.
Is he just not willing them enough? I think he's providing more value than any player in history.
I knew when I typed that I would trigger you.
Yeah I get the argument. He's providing statistical value. And he had a great year. And he deserves to win it.
But like it or not he's on a crappy team and frankly they wouldn't be that much worse without him.
Got it.
I still Ohtani is the best both overall and then obviously per game.
I still Ohtani is the best both overall and then obviously per game.
Farmer1906 said:
Hey Bidge.The answer is Derek Jeter!#MLBNow | #ThinkBaseball https://t.co/xtkkq6wkCd pic.twitter.com/fGB2kuAcoV
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Dumb stat
Biggio doesn't get his full career stats in there but everyone else does?
I think they'd be a lot worse without him. Bigger drop off than us without Yordan or Tucker. It would be like us losing Yordan AND Framber but worse because their backups are even worse than ours.
Terrible team studs have won a lot of MVPs, going all the way back to Andre Dawson and Cal Ripken.
Terrible team studs have won a lot of MVPs, going all the way back to Andre Dawson and Cal Ripken.
This is funny.
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Fight Fight Fight.
Fight Fight Fight.
Yeah the "MVP" is really just the best overall player now. Has nothing to do with team performance
It always has been. Not just now.tjack16 said:
Yeah the "MVP" is really just the best overall player now. Has nothing to do with team performance
They were 73-89 and -90 in runs. They have been bad for years. Take him off and they finish 65-97? 63-99? 62-100? And that's with Trout. What does it matter how much worse they get. They have what many keep saying are the two best players in one guy plus Trout and they are horrible.JPN06 said:
I think they'd be a lot worse without him. Bigger drop off than us without Yordan or Tucker. It would be like us losing Yordan AND Framber but worse because their backups are even worse than ours.
Terrible team studs have won a lot of MVPs, going all the way back to Andre Dawson and Cal Ripken.
And what you are seeing with Ohtani is the catch. If he's injured (TJ anyone?) you have to replace your arguably #1 starter and your DH. It's two roster spots with one guy. You either play a hitter light or a pitcher light. He's got a downside.
Here is the full list of players to receive a qualifying offer, per ESPN sources:
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) November 6, 2023
Shohei Ohtani
Aaron Nola
Blake Snell
Cody Bellinger
Josh Hader
Matt Chapman
Sonny Gray
Players who didn't receive it: Teoscar Hernandez, Jorge Soler, Rhys Hoskins, Mitch Garver
But you agree he's the best player, right?
Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
Fair enough.Mathguy64 said:Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
I guess I look at it like if he were on the Astros instead of Tucker we would have been several games better and I think you can make that statement with any other MVP candidate. So is Tucker "more valuable" just because he's on the Astros?
I think we beat the Rangers in 5 and win the WS if Tucker doesn't go into that black hole he went into.JPN06 said:Fair enough.Mathguy64 said:Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
I guess I look at it like if he were on the Astros instead of Tucker we would have been several games better and I think you can make that statement with any other MVP candidate. So is Tucker "more valuable" just because he's on the Astros?
Tucker is pretty valuable.
JPN06 said:Fair enough.Mathguy64 said:Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
I guess I look at it like if he were on the Astros instead of Tucker we would have been several games better and I think you can make that statement with any other MVP candidate. So is Tucker "more valuable" just because he's on the Astros?
If Ohtani was on the Astros, we would have had a parade Saturday.
Absolutely.tjack16 said:JPN06 said:Fair enough.Mathguy64 said:Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
I guess I look at it like if he were on the Astros instead of Tucker we would have been several games better and I think you can make that statement with any other MVP candidate. So is Tucker "more valuable" just because he's on the Astros?
If Ohtani was on the Astros, we would have had a parade Saturday.
And he would be overkill. It would have only taken Charlie Morton.
Mathguy64 said:I think we beat the Rangers in 5 and win the WS if Tucker doesn't go into that black hole he went into.JPN06 said:Fair enough.Mathguy64 said:Yes. He's the best player.JPN06 said:
But you agree he's the best player, right?
I'm not sure he's the most valuable player.
I guess I look at it like if he were on the Astros instead of Tucker we would have been several games better and I think you can make that statement with any other MVP candidate. So is Tucker "more valuable" just because he's on the Astros?
Tucker is pretty valuable.
He is extremely valuable. Probably top-five in the league. But nowhere in the league of Ohtani.
Altuve is at something like 3350. I had to eyeball his postseason TBs.Bregxit said:astros4545 said:Farmer1906 said:
Hey Bidge.The answer is Derek Jeter!#MLBNow | #ThinkBaseball https://t.co/xtkkq6wkCd pic.twitter.com/fGB2kuAcoV
— MLB Now (@MLBNow) November 7, 2023
Dumb stat
Biggio doesn't get his full career stats in there but everyone else does?
Bidge moves to third on that list for his entire career at 4711. Chipper gets 3 more TB for 1993.
More FA predictions.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/2023-24-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html
1. Shohei Ohtani. Twelve years, $528MM
Tim Dierkes' prediction: Dodgers / Anthony Franco's prediction: Dodgers / Darragh McDonald's prediction: Dodgers
2. Cody Bellinger. Twelve years, $264MM
Tim: Yankees / Anthony: Giants / Darragh: Giants
3. Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Nine years, $225MM
Tim: Giants / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Yankees
4. Blake Snell. Seven years, $200MM
Tim: Phillies / Anthony: Red Sox / Darragh: Dodgers
5. Aaron Nola. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Cardinals/ Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Cardinals
6. Jordan Montgomery. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Mets / Darragh: Giants
7. Matt Chapman. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Giants / Anthony: Phillies / Darragh: Cubs
8. Josh Hader. Six years, $110MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Rangers / Darragh: Rangers
9. Sonny Gray. Four years, $90MM
Tim: Braves / Anthony: Dodgers / Darragh: Tigers
10. Shota Imanaga. Five years, $85MM
Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Cubs / Darragh: Angels
11. Eduardo Rodriguez. Four years, $82MM
Tim: Red Sox / Anthony: Reds / Darragh: White Sox
12. Teoscar Hernandez. Four years, $80MM
Tim: Angels / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: White Sox
13. Jeimer Candelario. Four years, $70MM
Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Royals / Darragh: Blue Jays
14. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Four years, $54MM
Tim: Royals / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Mariners
15. Jung Hoo Lee. Five years, $50MM
Tim: Padres / Anthony: Padres / Darragh: Blue Jays
16. Jorge Soler. Three years, $45MM
Tim: Blue Jays / Anthony: Astros / Darragh: Mets
17. Lucas Giolito. Two years, $44MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Orioles / Darragh: Mets
18. Marcus Stroman. Two years, $44MM
Tim: Dodgers / Anthony: Phillies / Darragh: Twins
19. Seth Lugo. Three years, $42MM
Tim: Diamondbacks / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Reds
20. J.D. Martinez. Two years, $40MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Mariners / Darragh: Angels
21. Jordan Hicks. Four years, $40MM
Tim: Orioles / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Tigers
22. Jack Flaherty. Three years, $40MM
Tim: Royals / Anthony: Tigers / Darragh: Pirates
23. Mitch Garver. Three years, $39MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Rangers / Darragh: Red Sox
24. Michael Wacha. Three years, $36MM
Tim: Reds / Anthony: Braves / Darragh: Reds
25. Kenta Maeda. Two years, $36MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Twins / Darragh: Orioles
26. Rhys Hoskins. Two years, $36MM
Tim: Twins / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: Phillies
27. Robert Stephenson. Four years, $36MM
Tim: Cardinals / Anthony: Mets / Darragh: Orioles
28. Yariel Rodriguez. Four years, $32MM
Tim: White Sox / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Padres
29. Reynaldo Lopez. Three years, $30MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Reds / Darragh: Twins
30. Mike Clevinger. Two years, $26MM
Tim: Angels / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: Red Sox
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33. Aroldis Chapman. Two years, $24MM
Tim: Astros / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Angels
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46. Hector Neris. Two years, $15MM
Tim: Reds / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Twins
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/2023-24-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html
1. Shohei Ohtani. Twelve years, $528MM
Tim Dierkes' prediction: Dodgers / Anthony Franco's prediction: Dodgers / Darragh McDonald's prediction: Dodgers
2. Cody Bellinger. Twelve years, $264MM
Tim: Yankees / Anthony: Giants / Darragh: Giants
3. Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Nine years, $225MM
Tim: Giants / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Yankees
4. Blake Snell. Seven years, $200MM
Tim: Phillies / Anthony: Red Sox / Darragh: Dodgers
5. Aaron Nola. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Cardinals/ Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Cardinals
6. Jordan Montgomery. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Mets / Darragh: Giants
7. Matt Chapman. Six years, $150MM
Tim: Giants / Anthony: Phillies / Darragh: Cubs
8. Josh Hader. Six years, $110MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Rangers / Darragh: Rangers
9. Sonny Gray. Four years, $90MM
Tim: Braves / Anthony: Dodgers / Darragh: Tigers
10. Shota Imanaga. Five years, $85MM
Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Cubs / Darragh: Angels
11. Eduardo Rodriguez. Four years, $82MM
Tim: Red Sox / Anthony: Reds / Darragh: White Sox
12. Teoscar Hernandez. Four years, $80MM
Tim: Angels / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: White Sox
13. Jeimer Candelario. Four years, $70MM
Tim: Cubs / Anthony: Royals / Darragh: Blue Jays
14. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Four years, $54MM
Tim: Royals / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Mariners
15. Jung Hoo Lee. Five years, $50MM
Tim: Padres / Anthony: Padres / Darragh: Blue Jays
16. Jorge Soler. Three years, $45MM
Tim: Blue Jays / Anthony: Astros / Darragh: Mets
17. Lucas Giolito. Two years, $44MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Orioles / Darragh: Mets
18. Marcus Stroman. Two years, $44MM
Tim: Dodgers / Anthony: Phillies / Darragh: Twins
19. Seth Lugo. Three years, $42MM
Tim: Diamondbacks / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Reds
20. J.D. Martinez. Two years, $40MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Mariners / Darragh: Angels
21. Jordan Hicks. Four years, $40MM
Tim: Orioles / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Tigers
22. Jack Flaherty. Three years, $40MM
Tim: Royals / Anthony: Tigers / Darragh: Pirates
23. Mitch Garver. Three years, $39MM
Tim: Rangers / Anthony: Rangers / Darragh: Red Sox
24. Michael Wacha. Three years, $36MM
Tim: Reds / Anthony: Braves / Darragh: Reds
25. Kenta Maeda. Two years, $36MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Twins / Darragh: Orioles
26. Rhys Hoskins. Two years, $36MM
Tim: Twins / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: Phillies
27. Robert Stephenson. Four years, $36MM
Tim: Cardinals / Anthony: Mets / Darragh: Orioles
28. Yariel Rodriguez. Four years, $32MM
Tim: White Sox / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Padres
29. Reynaldo Lopez. Three years, $30MM
Tim: Mets / Anthony: Reds / Darragh: Twins
30. Mike Clevinger. Two years, $26MM
Tim: Angels / Anthony: Angels / Darragh: Red Sox
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33. Aroldis Chapman. Two years, $24MM
Tim: Astros / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Angels
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46. Hector Neris. Two years, $15MM
Tim: Reds / Anthony: Cardinals / Darragh: Twins
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A lot of those at the top feel way too high. The ones in the middle / bottom feel low. I'd do the Hicks & Neris deal right now. We have the best right handed bullpen ever.
Lol Chapman.
Soler would be fun. He's got so much pop. Don't think he's worth it tho.
Lol Chapman.
Soler would be fun. He's got so much pop. Don't think he's worth it tho.
6 years 110 for Hader?
Yeah I don't think we'd do that.
Yeah I don't think we'd do that.
No ***** I hope the Rangers give him something like that.tjack16 said:
6 years 110 for Hader?
Yeah I don't think we'd do that.
Hader doesn't make sense to me from a differential standpoint. We have a a very very good closer in Pressly and a league best set up guy in Abreu.tjack16 said:
6 years 110 for Hader?
Yeah I don't think we'd do that.
Signing Hader costs a ton. So now you have a very very expensive set up guy in Pressly or a stupidly expensive set up guy in Hader? And how much better is your closer?
It makes sense for Texas because their pen sucks and they get a big piece they don't have.
For us it's a lot of money but not a big bump. Give me Hector as a 7th inning guy and a left handed version of Hector.
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33. Aroldis Chapman. Two years, $24MM
Tim: Astros / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Angels
I have an infinite list of VS models and Kate's friends that I have a better chance with than this happening.
n_touch said:Quote:
33. Aroldis Chapman. Two years, $24MM
Tim: Astros / Anthony: White Sox / Darragh: Angels
I have an infinite list of VS models and Kate's friends that I have a better chance with than this happening.
I have a better chance of beating Steph Curry in a 3 point shootout
Bellinger 12 year 264 million dollar contract? I get the Yankees are crazy and he just had a good season, but locking a dude up until he's 40 after having ONE bounce back year removed from being a complete black hole?
This one stood out as the most outlandish. I think they're about 100 M too high.