That is fair…doesn't seem like Abreu's personality, but you might be right.

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No way, in an ALCS, was that intentional, that isn't even good baseball to do that…in May, sure, not game 5 of the ALCS down 2 runs and a runner on first. Believing that it was intentional, is asinine.

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I mean lots of Astro fans have already said the game was pretty much over when it happened. If you're a player for a team and the game is "out of reach", that's when you'd do it, right?

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That is fair…doesn't seem like Abreu's personality, but you might be right.

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I don't know his personality but the announcers, while defending him, said Garcia was likely his last batter to face anyway so why not go inside?

Hell, we knocked down Altuve with some chin music last night. Garcia has to take the hit and move along to first. Let the manager make the case for the ejection if needed.

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I hope this is the thread for it, but I'm curious what a rangers calm perspective is on the HBP and Ejecting Abreu for it. Cause in the hubub of Altuves home run leclercs first pitch to Dubon nearly took his head off and the umpires didn't say or do anything. I thought that was curious imo

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Hard to tell. Usually when you intentionally throw at someone, you don't throw that high. Usually aim for butt or lower back. Given the situation, it makes no sense.

Having said that, Abreu walked the first guy he faced, and then the next batter was someone who pimped the **** out of a HR earlier. So would not surprise if there was some bad blood

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MelvinUdall said:

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No way, in an ALCS, was that intentional, that isn't even good baseball to do that…in May, sure, not game 5 of the ALCS down 2 runs and a runner on first. Believing that it was intentional, is asinine.

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I mean lots of Astro fans have already said the game was pretty much over when it happened. If you're a player for a team and the game is "out of reach", that's when you'd do it, right?

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The difference between a fan and a player and their feeling on the outcome of a game is light years of distance. Remember the Astros have been in a lot of these situations and I can't believe they were sitting there and saying to themselves, "Well, we will just get two at home", that just isn't reality.

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I don't think he or they thought the game was out of reach, I was just repeating what a few other people were saying. I subscribe to the belief that it was intentional. But like I said it's because of both the manner that it happened and because of Garcia overreacting like he did that forced the umpire hand. And I think ejecting Abreu and Garcia both in that situation is pretty fair. It kind of reminds me of the altercation a few years back when Syndergard threw behind someone and the umpire threw him out just because of the circumstances that it occurred in. I'll see if I can't find a video of it.

Yeah, who knows at the end of the day if it was truly intentional and yes, when it was all said and done, it was best to throw them both out.

I don't get why Garcia was going after Maldy. You'd think he would charge the guy that threw the ball, not the guy trying to catch it.

CoachRTM said:

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While some of us are going to be disappointed by Sunday or Monday…. we can all take solace that A&M football won't lose this weekend.

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Nice jinx.

Now the headline will read..
"A&M becomes first team in FBS to lose against BYE."

Are there thoughts that the long delay over whether to toss them could have chilled the Rangers (and Leclerc) to allow that 9th inning turnaround?

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MrCoachEricTaylor said:

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MelvinUdall said:

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No way, in an ALCS, was that intentional, that isn't even good baseball to do that…in May, sure, not game 5 of the ALCS down 2 runs and a runner on first. Believing that it was intentional, is asinine.

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I mean lots of Astro fans have already said the game was pretty much over when it happened. If you're a player for a team and the game is "out of reach", that's when you'd do it, right?

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No way anyone on a professional baseball team considered that game "out of reach". Not one.

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There is zero chance the Astros players thought this game was out of reach, I mean zero.

Look in the end, as it turned out, right wrong or indifferent, the Adolis drama did absolutely nothing to help the Rangers and all It did was fire up the entire Astros dugout. They were pissed their 74 old manager got ejected. They were pissed Abreu got ejected for that, remember, Yordon was hit the same way by a Ranger pitcher and ZERO happened, not even warnings, why? I'll tell you why, because Yordon took it like a man and wasn't a hot head and just trotted down to first base like he is supposed to, no drama necessary. This is what fired up the Astros bench… treat one team one way and the other different, that's not how it works in reality, yes the umps ejected the Astros coach and a player, but what the umps really did was Inject fire into the Astros players because of the way those 2 exact same events were handled totally different.

Anyway, as it turned out all the drama around that event fired up the Astros who had one bat left and it gave too much time for Leclerc to cool Down, there is no way that down time helped Leclercs cause, all it did was give his arm time to cool off.

I hate bat flips and I hate everything about what Garcia did when he hit that HR. Just trot around the bases and don't act like a fool.

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I don't get why Garcia was going after Maldy. You'd think he would charge the guy that threw the ball, not the guy trying to catch it.

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He likely thought Maldy called the hit on him.

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Maldy likely called the hit. The pitchers don't do anything without getting permission from Maldy first. He's a cold ass gangster.

I don't believe Maldy would call for him to be plunked at that point in the game. If he did, it was to get a reaction. then Garcia 100% fell into the trap, and it's till completely on him for not recognizing the situation.

The Rangers have their best pitcher going on Sunday, they win that game, and the momentum has shifted back to them.

Advantage, Astros, but this thing is far from over.

Been a great series to watch, and having so many friends that are fans of the Rangers makes it 10X as fun.

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TXAG 05 said:

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I don't get why Garcia was going after Maldy. You'd think he would charge the guy that threw the ball, not the guy trying to catch it.

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He likely thought Maldy called the hit on him.

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Maldy likely called the hit. The pitchers don't do anything without getting permission from Maldy first. He's a cold ass gangster.

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West Roxbury said:

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Whoever wins this series will have won an epic series and, while I hope the Astros come out on the winning side, I can appreciate the competitive nature of this series. It's been a fun and intense series.

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Agreed, and no one thought this one wasn't going at least 6 games.

My main Ranger hope is that HOU continues to suck at home.

LincolnBorglum79 said:

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As others have pointed out, the Rangers threw at hit Yordon and threw at him up high, and threw at Altuve and Dubon during this series without a single warning or outburst. Garcia was entirely to blame for his stupid outburst. The Rangers should have gone to another pitcher after the long delay but they don't have anyone I guess.

If that game had instead gone to extra innings the Astros still had a bullpen full of effective pitchers and the Rangers had nothing left.

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FIFY

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MooreTrucker said:

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I hate bat flips and I hate everything about what Garcia did when he hit that HR. Just trot around the bases and don't act like a fool.

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First, I absolutely prefer the way altuve handles business. But I still don't have issue with Garcia's, really. It was a huge situation. But, he's a ****** and that's basically how he handles every homerun. Don't think I've ever seen a "normal" hr trot out of him.

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Reminds me of that Bluejay that Rougie popped.

So do you guys think Abreu appeals? I know it's typically almost automatic, but with this you have to potentially debate whether or not you want to take it now and assume you close out the series or maybe not have him for a World Series game. Just seems like an odd situation given the timing.

I think he will. Then he'll be able to play game 6 and have a chance to get it reduced to 1.