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At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell.

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Giving up our top prospect, who is also regarded as a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for a 2 month rental would be the worst trade in this franchises history. Absolutely not.

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We gave up Justin Smoak and Blake Beavan in 2010 for a couple months of Cliff Lee. I don't think people lament that one.

hawk1689 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Jimtim1216 said:

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At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell.

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Giving up our top prospect, who is also regarded as a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for a 2 month rental would be the worst trade in this franchises history. Absolutely not.

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We gave up Justin Smoak and Blake Beavan in 2010 for a couple months of Cliff Lee. I don't think people lament that one.

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True but at the time Lee was known as one of the best postseason pitchers in baseball. I didn't agree with the trade at all at that time
but it worked out for the better. If SD wants Carter, then it better be a part of a bigger deal including Hader and Soto. Otherwise I'm happy with Montgomery/ Hicks.

I typically don't subscribe to the "we should hold onto our prospects" approach when trying to be competitive and win in the postseason, but I think Evan Carter has a chance to be a star. His approach and plate discipline is what makes him special, and I think there's a very real opportunity for him to make the team next year from start of the year. So, unless we're getting superstars with control left, I am out on trading Carter. Everyone else is more or less available in my book (oh and Walcott is off the table as well).

Would anyone do Leiter and Acuña for Snell?

gigem1223 said:

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Jimtim1216 said:

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At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell.

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Giving up our top prospect, who is also regarded as a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for a 2 month rental would be the worst trade in this franchises history. Absolutely not.

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Franchise history? Maybe MLB history. That has to be worst trade proposition of all time

Jimtim1216 said:

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Still can get 2 out of 3 here. That is what we need to do. Have a feeling that help is on its way. At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell. With Nate and Snell at the top of the rotation that will be a huge advantage.

Seager will be back soon. Worried about Heim though

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The market doesn't require Carter... and I wouldn't do it, if it did.

If you were to include Carter, the price you will pay for the RP and the Bat that you need, will go up.

Teams adjust the package tehy want based on a few things.

What do you have to send? One team's #2 prospect may not be in the Top100, while your #5 is in the Top100. The team will still want your #2. We have lots of talent. Carter is #6. That price is not being asked of anyone else interested.

What you're willing to give up. Tampa usually gets an advantage because teams view them as being poor.

How well you negotiate. Boras is good at that. Yankee prospects always seem overrated.

Centerpiece for Snell needs to be Foscue.

Langford went 2-5 with 2 doubles in his debut last night

hawk1689 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Jimtim1216 said:

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At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell.

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Giving up our top prospect, who is also regarded as a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for a 2 month rental would be the worst trade in this franchises history. Absolutely not.

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We gave up Justin Smoak and Blake Beavan in 2010 for a couple months of Cliff Lee. I don't think people lament that one.

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I hated the Smoak draft and was very vocal about it.

That was such a mess.

In 2009, we ended up having:
MLB: Chris Davis 23
AAA Smoak 22
AA Moreland 23

Davis went on to develop ADHD and got an AUE for Adderral and Crushed the ball for Baltimore, Smoak had a relatively decent 11 yr career for Seattle and Moreland served us well for 7 years.

IMO, when it comes to DH/1B, they can be easy positions to fill and to have a surplus. Trading off a 1B is not usually something to fret especially when you have a surplus like we had.

My issue with Smoak was that everyone touted his beautiful perfect swing, but he was poor at making good consistent contact with it. Most people believed we were Cliff Lee away from the WS.

Evan Carter could be a solid OF for 6 cheap years. More than Snell, we need a couple RH RPs. I would LOVE adding a player like Snell, but that is a WANT... not a NEED.

Snell-Eovaldi as our 1-2 going into the ALDS in a 5 game series against a team's #3-1-2 would favor us to get to the ALCS, for sure.

Call him up!




I kid I kid

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I hated the Smoak draft and was very vocal about it.

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You also hated the Foscue/Carter draft as I recall...

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I hated the Smoak draft and was very vocal about it.

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You also hated the Foscue/Carter draft as I recall...

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In his defense, everyone hated the Carter draft lol

The other thing about Snell is, I think Preller is impulsive. Wait him out and see what he does. He has far more to lose if he keeps Snell and their schedule tells me they are not making the playoffs.

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I hated the Smoak draft and was very vocal about it.

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You also hated the Foscue/Carter draft as I recall...

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And you see what Foscue has done.

I'm ok taking the Carter miss. It was really more about there being nothing about him.

I know you are.

True about the draft.

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hawk1689 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Jimtim1216 said:

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At this moment I would be willing to give up Carter for Snell.

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Giving up our top prospect, who is also regarded as a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for a 2 month rental would be the worst trade in this franchises history. Absolutely not.

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We gave up Justin Smoak and Blake Beavan in 2010 for a couple months of Cliff Lee. I don't think people lament that one.

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I hated the Smoak draft and was very vocal about it.

That was such a mess.

In 2009, we ended up having:
MLB: Chris Davis 23
AAA Smoak 22
AA Moreland 23

Davis went on to develop ADHD and got an AUE for Adderral and Crushed the ball for Baltimore, Smoak had a relatively decent 11 yr career for Seattle and Moreland served us well for 7 years.

IMO, when it comes to DH/1B, they can be easy positions to fill and to have a surplus. Trading off a 1B is not usually something to fret especially when you have a surplus like we had.

My issue with Smoak was that everyone touted his beautiful perfect swing, but he was poor at making good consistent contact with it. Most people believed we were Cliff Lee away from the WS.

Evan Carter could be a solid OF for 6 cheap years. More than Snell, we need a couple RH RPs. I would LOVE adding a player like Snell, but that is a WANT... not a NEED.

Snell-Eovaldi as our 1-2 going into the ALDS in a 5 game series against a team's #3-1-2 would favor us to get to the ALCS, for sure.

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Let me be clear. I don't think Snell as a rental is maximizing Carter's trade value. I'm just saying that we and others have made similar moves and it's always a coin flip as to whether or not it works out.

I am going to disagree with the thought that we were a Cliff Lee away from the series. That team overachieved. I was happy to watch it, but I wasn't happy with the trade at the time. Davis had his turn by that time and Moreland was playing right field, I believe.

Here is the other thing about Snell.

If he pitches tomorrow... the offering price goes down, if I'm the Rangers. In fact, it might be enough to move on. I'd basically tell Preller, once today's game starts, negotiations are off until after tomorrow's game.

If we are serious about Snell, then, if I'm CY, I'm calling up StL, Detroit, Pit, NYM, and I'm putting them on notice for negotiations and then I'm feeding Kennedi Landry with information to tweet to get the right messaging out there. Then, using Evan Grant to do the same, knowing he is more Sr and likely more discerning.

In 2010, Moreland played 40G at 1B and 7 in RF.
In 2011, he played 99 at 1B and 34 in RF.

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In 2010, Moreland played 40G at 1B and 7 in RF.
In 2011, he played 99 at 1B and 34 in RF.

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At the major league level. In 2010, he played 80 games at RF and only 12 at 1B at OKC. He played the majority of 2009 in RF as well. Smoak and Moreland were both part of the future in those days.

I just got triggered looking at failed 1B development and SP trades... CYoung... and the SDP.

January 6, 2006: Adrian Gonzalez, Termel Sledge and CYoung for Killian, Eaton, and Otsuka.

Eaton would pitch 13GS @ 5.12 for the Rangers.
Otsuka would give us some Saves.

AGone would give SDP 5yrs with 161 HRs and a .288 BA in 799 G.
CYoung would give SDP 5yrs with 97 GS and a 3.60 ERA... and return home to be our GM negotiating for a SP out of SDP.

It is really a moot point with Moreland, but I'll play along.

Moreland was a 1B that was used in RF because he had a phenomenal arm that seemed wasted at 1B. He was drafted in 2007, when we had Teixeira playing 1B who got traded to Atl shortly thereafter. Chris Davis took over in 2008. So, getting him on the field was important.

MLB Career:
1B: 1045 G
OF: 47 G

Minor Career:
1B: 151 G
OF: 184 G

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I just got triggered looking at failed 1B development and SP trades... CYoung... and the SDP.

January 6, 2006: Adrian Gonzalez, Termel Sledge and CYoung for Killian, Eaton, and Otsuka.

Eaton would pitch 13GS @ 5.12 for the Rangers.
Otsuka would give us some Saves.

AGone would give SDP 5yrs with 161 HRs and a .288 BA in 799 G.
CYoung would give SDP 5yrs with 97 GS and a 3.60 ERA... and return home to be our GM negotiating for a SP out of SDP.

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There were a couple of bad ones at the beginning of JD's tenure that hurt. We traded John Danks away for Brandon McCarthy because he was major league ready. Danks pitched in the show that season. We also traded Alfonso Soriano for Brad Wilkerson.

I am not a fan of RoboUmps for the simple reason I think it will change pitching. I've said, like video games, you adapt to what is called. You fill find more breaking pitches and more pitchers who try to game the calls programmed to be made.

Having said that... the reason I quit watching the NBA was because they had 2 sets of Fouls. Jordan could walk from mid-court and the Refs made SuperStars. If a player missed a shot a phantom foul would be called. A&M had a Tourney game (S16?) a few years ago. Clear foul on an A&M shooter that wasn't called at the end of the game. The commentators said, "You just can't call that at the end of the game." Very next year, same situation except reversed. It was a less aggression foul by an A&M player at the end of the game and the Refs called it. Commentators were like, "You just have to call that. You have to give the player a chance to shoot."

Too many influential calls are being shown to sway games. Calling fouls on Nowitski early in G1 and G2 against Miami in the Finals was critical. Not because they were bad calls, but because now you've taken Nowitski out of the game. For a P... if you aren't giving them the right calls, they feel they have to make different throws the rest of the game.

For those watching the scoreboards.

LAAA Manager Nevin got suspended for arguing with the Umps last night on the final AB. The guy who PH for Ohtani got a called 3rd Strike to end the game and Nevin chased down the Umps.

LAAA plays in 10 mins against the Jays without Nevin. It will be interesting to see if Ohtani makes it through.

If Toronto Wins, it could be the end of the Angels playoff hopes (they'd be 5GB Toronto). If Ohtani is headed to the IL... could be interesting final trade days.

Question...At one time there was a rule that you couldn't trade a player on the DL/IL - is that still the case? Because if it is, and Ohtani goes the IL, then he'll definitely not be traded.

Syndergaard was just traded by the Dodgers to the Guardians. He was on the 60IL with the Dodgers. Looking him up, he is on the 15IL with the Guardians. Not sure if there was a taking him off the IL for the trade and then putting him back on, or if it is allowed, now.

DallasAg 94 said:

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I am not a fan of RoboUmps for the simple reason I think it will change pitching. I've said, like video games, you adapt to what is called. You fill find more breaking pitches and more pitchers who try to game the calls programmed to be made.

Having said that... the reason I quit watching the NBA was because they had 2 sets of Fouls. Jordan could walk from mid-court and the Refs made SuperStars. If a player missed a shot a phantom foul would be called. A&M had a Tourney game (S16?) a few years ago. Clear foul on an A&M shooter that wasn't called at the end of the game. The commentators said, "You just can't call that at the end of the game." Very next year, same situation except reversed. It was a less aggression foul by an A&M player at the end of the game and the Refs called it. Commentators were like, "You just have to call that. You have to give the player a chance to shoot."

Too many influential calls are being shown to sway games. Calling fouls on Nowitski early in G1 and G2 against Miami in the Finals was critical. Not because they were bad calls, but because now you've taken Nowitski out of the game. For a P... if you aren't giving them the right calls, they feel they have to make different throws the rest of the game.

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Come on now, you want refs to call ticky tack fouls like this? I mean, he's only got his hand around Sloan's wrist. You can't call that at the end of the game...

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For those watching the scoreboards.

LAAA Manager Nevin got suspended for arguing with the Umps last night on the final AB. The guy who PH for Ohtani got a called 3rd Strike to end the game and Nevin chased down the Umps.

LAAA plays in 10 mins against the Jays without Nevin. It will be interesting to see if Ohtani makes it through.

If Toronto Wins, it could be the end of the Angels playoff hopes (they'd be 5GB Toronto). If Ohtani is headed to the IL... could be interesting final trade days.

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I saw the replay on that call a bit ago, it looked pretty bad. Of course the umps didn't like it when Nevin was holding up the ipad type device showing the pic to the umps either

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