***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 12:18p, 10/11/23
Mr.Bond said:
As tremendous of a run as Atlanta had there is no way in hell I can call anything a dynasty when it has a total of one championships during that run
I think it's fair to say they were a National League dynasty. Especially back then before Interleague play and the DH.
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In reply to Buck Compton • 12:19p, 10/11/23
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Buck Compton said:
agproducer said:
They are celebrating, but STILL thinking of the Astros.

wE dON't CaRe aBOuT hOUstOn!! /rangers and their fans


Unoriginal *******s. LOL
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12:22p, 10/11/23
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This would be pretty kick ass if the Texans did this.

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12:25p, 10/11/23
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In reply to W • 12:26p, 10/11/23
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W said:
Wabs said:
I'd have to look all this crap up for comparison, but what dynasties have there been since say 1960?

A's?
Reds?
Yankees?
Braves?

I would think this Astros run would be a close comparison. What we need to leave no doubt is a back-to-back championship.
perhaps hard to believe...

but the Astros have matched the Big Red Machine of the 1970's

the Reds had a 7 season run (1970-1976) of 4 World Series appearances and 2 titles plus 5 NLCS appearances
you could say exceeded, as Astros have more lcs appearances, and the Reds had a few years without playoffs
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 12:28p, 10/11/23
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EastCoastAgNc said:
Shocked it isn't worse. Also, it doesn't include the missed foul tip which could have EASILY opened up the floodgates.
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In reply to Big Al 1992 • 12:31p, 10/11/23
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Well, that last AB was something. Down 0-2, works the count to a 9 pitch AB. They were trying to get him to strike out on high fastball (his supposed weakness). Kinda showed them !!
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12:42p, 10/11/23
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790AM just asked the question, "Is Bryan Abreu the greatest setup reliever in Astros history?"

He's probably getting close
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In reply to agproducer • 12:43p, 10/11/23
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agproducer said:
They are celebrating, but STILL thinking of the Astros.



That's pretty good, but I'd have waited to see if the Astros miss the LCS this year first.
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12:53p, 10/11/23
I wish they would have kept the game at 1. I'm ready for it to be over.
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12:55p, 10/11/23
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Wow. Bags was just bad
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12:59p, 10/11/23
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Only when it counted, like the playoffs.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:59p, 10/11/23
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Wow. Bags was just bad
It's incredible to think of all the playoff misery we endured with Bags and Biggio batting like Dubon (actually not even that good for most of their post-season careers) contrasted with all the guys we've watched during this run.

Hopefully we take the next step tonight.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:03p, 10/11/23
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bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad
He's having a bad year this year too with the Astros
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:05p, 10/11/23
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bearkatag15 said:
790AM just asked the question, "Is Bryan Abreu the greatest setup reliever in Astros history?"

He's probably getting close
One more season of comparable stats would probably do it.

I looked up Dotel to compare His peak was 01-03

2001 he was 7-5 with a 2.66 ERA, 20 GF , 2 saves, 105 IP, 145 K
2002 he was 6-4, with a 1.85 ERA, 22 GF, 4 saves, 97.1 IP< 118 K
2003 he was 6-4, with a 2.48 ERA, 13 GF, 4 saves, 87 IP< 97 K

He was bad in a very small playoff sample: 5.40 ERA in 3.1 innings in 2001.

Abreu was bad in '21, but

2022: 4-0, 1.94 ERA, 18 GF, 2 saves, 88 K in 60.1 innings
2023: 3-2, 1.75 ERA, 16 GF, 5 saves, 100 K in 72 innings

To date, he has a 1.26 ERA in 13 playoff games covering 14.1 innings with 24 K
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In reply to Prosperdick • 1:12p, 10/11/23
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bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad
It's incredible to think of all the playoff misery we endured with Bags and Biggio batting like Dubon (actually not even that good for most of their post-season careers) contrasted with all the guys we've watched during this run.

Hopefully we take the next step tonight.
Bagwell has 2 career post-season home runs in 129 plate appearances. Biggio also had two, in 185 plate appearances. Both of them trail Brad Ausmus (3 in 119 PA) in that category. THey also trail Maldonado, who has 3 in 179 PA.

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In reply to Wabs • 1:12p, 10/11/23
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Wabs said:
This would be pretty kick ass if the Texans did this.

That would be pretty sweet! I feel like Cal has to be extremely jealous of the Astros organization.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:14p, 10/11/23
bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad


To be fair to Biggio and Bagwell, they did face one of the best rotations in baseball history every year in the postseason. And Kevin Brown.
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In reply to Chef Elko • 1:16p, 10/11/23
Danwell Home said:
Wabs said:
This would be pretty kick ass if the Texans did this.

That would be pretty sweet! I feel like Cal has to be extremely jealous of the Astros organization.


I actually think the Texans now have a legit GM and head coach now.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 1:18p, 10/11/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Bob Lee said:
If the 1970s Reds are a dynasty, then we are a dynasty. In 10 years they:
1. Went to 6 LCS
2. Won 4 pennants
3. Won 2 WS championships

The Astros did that in 6 years and change.

I don't understand how they're almost universally considered a dynasty, and there's some debate about whether or not this Astros run is a dynasty.
And they also had a massive cheater on the team!



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In reply to Beat40 • 1:20p, 10/11/23
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bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad


To be fair to Biggio and Bagwell, they did face one of the best rotations in baseball history every year in the postseason. And Kevin Brown.


This excuse doesn't play for me. The current run has lit up dozens of Cy Young candidates and Unhittable closers. Plus pitching has never been better than it is now.
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In reply to Project Gemini • 1:22p, 10/11/23
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To be honest… Bagwell had basically nothing to do with any of the off-season moves. I said earlier in the year that the Montero deal was basically a done deal before Click left. I recently found out that was the case with Abreu and Brantley as well. Bagwell just met with Abreu and his camp to finalize things on behalf of Crane. That's about the only part he had in it.

Besides that.. he really didn't play a role like so many thought he did. He was just an advisor who had a perspective that Crane valued.
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In reply to Cromagnum • 1:26p, 10/11/23
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Cromagnum said:
Buck Compton said:
agproducer said:
They are celebrating, but STILL thinking of the Astros.

wE dON't CaRe aBOuT hOUstOn!! /rangers and their fans


Unoriginal *******s. LOL


This statement doesn't work if you haven't been there in over 10 years. Nobody is wondering what it would be like in the ALCS without the Rangers.
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Happy Anniversary
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In reply to Prosperdick • 1:34p, 10/11/23
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EastCoastAgNc said:
Shocked it isn't worse. Also, it doesn't include the missed foul tip which could have EASILY opened up the floodgates.

It really blows my mind that the foul tip isn't a reviewable play.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 1:35p, 10/11/23
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To be honest… Bagwell had basically nothing to do with any of the off-season moves. I said earlier in the year that the Montero deal was basically a done deal before Click left. I recently found out that was the case with Abreu and Brantley as well. Bagwell just met with Abreu and his camp to finalize things on behalf of Crane. That's about the only part he had in it.

Besides that.. he really didn't play a role like so many thought he did. He was just an advisor who had a perspective that Crane valued.
Please stop trying to insert "the truth" and "facts" into the narrative that we fans have carefully crafted over the past 10 months to explain away bad decisions. It is not welcome and off-putting.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 1:36p, 10/11/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Prosperdick said:
bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad
It's incredible to think of all the playoff misery we endured with Bags and Biggio batting like Dubon (actually not even that good for most of their post-season careers) contrasted with all the guys we've watched during this run.

Hopefully we take the next step tonight.
Bagwell has 2 career post-season home runs in 129 plate appearances. Biggio also had two, in 185 plate appearances. Both of them trail Brad Ausmus (3 in 119 PA) in that category. THey also trail Maldonado, who has 3 in 179 PA.



Holy crap. What a stat
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 1:39p, 10/11/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
texasaggie2015 said:
To be honest… Bagwell had basically nothing to do with any of the off-season moves. I said earlier in the year that the Montero deal was basically a done deal before Click left. I recently found out that was the case with Abreu and Brantley as well. Bagwell just met with Abreu and his camp to finalize things on behalf of Crane. That's about the only part he had in it.

Besides that.. he really didn't play a role like so many thought he did. He was just an advisor who had a perspective that Crane valued.
Please stop trying to insert "the truth" and "facts" into the narrative that we fans have carefully crafted over the past 10 months to explain away bad decisions. It is not welcome and off-putting.
Yeah, agreed. We all know Bags gave Dusty another year, signed awful offseason contracts, waited to hire Dana, forced Maldy to play too much, caused Abreu's lingering injury, inflamed Urquidy's shoulder, force fed Chas too much, threw a pitch at Altuve's hand, and refused to admit that we needed to fix the outfield sightlines. Jeez man, give it a rest.
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1:44p, 10/11/23
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Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:46p, 10/11/23
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I dont think any other sports moment has made me lose my **** as much as that swing did

My kids were legitimately terrified
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:48p, 10/11/23
Farmer1906 said:
Beat40 said:
bearkatag15 said:


Wow. Bags was just bad


To be fair to Biggio and Bagwell, they did face one of the best rotations in baseball history every year in the postseason. And Kevin Brown.


This excuse doesn't play for me. The current run has lit up dozens of Cy Young candidates and Unhittable closers. Plus pitching has never been better than it is now.
The key distinction to what I said and what you said is rotation. Meaning one team.

Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux is a better rotation than the current run has faced. Those guys are aces 1, 1, 1 on one team and in a 3 game series every year.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 1:49p, 10/11/23
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Mr.Bond said:

I remember trying to stall at an orthodontist visit in 7th grade because they had an Astros-Mets NLCS game on in the office. A damn League Championship game on during a weekday afternoon!
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In reply to gambochaman • 1:49p, 10/11/23
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I dont think any other sports moment has made me lose my **** as much as that swing did

My kids were legitimately terrified
I picked up my almost 2 year old son and ran around the house screaming. When I put him down he said "again, again!"
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1:50p, 10/11/23


Go go Astros!
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