Belton Ag said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Unrelated rules question:

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If the runner stays on first, can the batter run through the first base bag? If that happens, do they at least avoid the double play?

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Isn't the runner on first always forced to attempt to take second when a batter becomes a runner? So he wouldn't be able to "stay" on first, I wouldn't think, because he would be interfering with the attempt to force the batter/runner out at first.

Right?

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The tag is required if the out at first happens first, so I think the force is removed and the runner can stay without jeopardy.

We've seen that on shots to first base. The fielder touches first base and throws to second, yelling tag tag tag. That means there is no force.

So, I think the runner could just stay there if the fielder drops the ball on purpose. The defense would then have to tag the runner and then touch the base (before the batter gets there) to make the double play. Touching the base first would negate the force.

I think.

Mathguy64 said:

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I'm pretty sure the batter takes 1B and the "runner" is out. The batter is entitled to 1B and runner is forced.

The only way this play works is if the batter is dumb and doesn't run. I always thought it's a place there should be an infield fly rule.

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I disagree. If the batter doesn't hit it high enough to get to first in time or is too lazy to run it out, he should be penalized. It also makes for a fun play that doesn't happen too often. I actually think Altuve wanted to do this last week against the Yankees (I think), but Abreu came over and caught it instead.

The safe play is for the runner at first to stay a step off the bag and the hitter to run it out. It's one of those plays where someone will be out and as a runner you make sure it's only one and give yourself up if the catch isn't made. If he does catch it, you just step back on the bag.

Marvin said:

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Belton Ag said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Unrelated rules question:

Insane baseball IQ here pic.twitter.com/sQPhIDMAyC

— Baseball Quotes (@BaseballQuotes1) August 12, 2023

If the runner stays on first, can the batter run through the first base bag? If that happens, do they at least avoid the double play?

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Isn't the runner on first always forced to attempt to take second when a batter becomes a runner? So he wouldn't be able to "stay" on first, I wouldn't think, because he would be interfering with the attempt to force the batter/runner out at first.

Right?

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The tag is required if the out at first happens first, so I think the force is removed and the runner can stay without jeopardy.

We've seen that on shots to first base. The fielder touches first base and throws to second, yelling tag tag tag. That means there is no force.

So, I think the runner could just stay there if the fielder drops the ball on purpose. The defense would then have to tag the runner and then touch the base (before the batter gets there) to make the double play. Touching the base first would negate the force.

I think.

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Correct. I remember Bagwell doing this but he tagged the runner first and then stepped on the bag as the runner was still standing on first. Seemed pretty cleaver for a bang-bang.

Mr President Elect said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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I'm pretty sure the batter takes 1B and the "runner" is out. The batter is entitled to 1B and runner is forced.

The only way this play works is if the batter is dumb and doesn't run. I always thought it's a place there should be an infield fly rule.

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I disagree. If the batter doesn't hit it high enough to get to first in time or is too lazy to run it out, he should be penalized. It also makes for a fun play that doesn't happen too often. I actually think Altuve wanted to do this last week against the Yankees (I think), but Abreu came over and caught it instead.

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But if the batter runs the defense can do this and potentially swap a fast runner at 1B for a slow one. One aspect of the IFR is that it just makes the batter who popped up into the out the one who is out.

Other thing to remember is dropping the ball on purpose can be a big risk as sometimes that ball has lots of spin and you never know the bounce you gonna get. If you try to "control" drop it to the ground they will call it a catch

Mathguy64 said:

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Mr President Elect said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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I'm pretty sure the batter takes 1B and the "runner" is out. The batter is entitled to 1B and runner is forced.

The only way this play works is if the batter is dumb and doesn't run. I always thought it's a place there should be an infield fly rule.

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I disagree. If the batter doesn't hit it high enough to get to first in time or is too lazy to run it out, he should be penalized. It also makes for a fun play that doesn't happen too often. I actually think Altuve wanted to do this last week against the Yankees (I think), but Abreu came over and caught it instead.

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But if the batter runs the defense can do this and potentially swap a fast runner at 1B for a slow one. One aspect of the IFR is that it just makes the batter who popped up into the out the one who is out.

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Yeah, but I don't have a problem with that. It is smart baseball. It's pretty rare they do that though as you are risking something going wrong instead of taking an automatic out.

Harry Dunne said:

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Unrelated rules question:

Insane baseball IQ here pic.twitter.com/sQPhIDMAyC

— Baseball Quotes (@BaseballQuotes1) August 12, 2023

If the runner stays on first, can the batter run through the first base bag? If that happens, do they at least avoid the double play?

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That should have been infield fly rule.

Yea, outs are hard to get. Passing up a for sure out just seems dumb. Sure, it can work out but there is also a lot that can go wrong, like the ball taking a bad bounce or 2B /SS not going to cover the bag because they think you are going to catch the ball (which would happen nearly 100% of the time).

"Shohei Ohtani, I like it old-timey, Martin Maldonado 3-3, Singleton droppin' some bombeys Astros by 10"

-Dusty Baker did not say this (as far as we know) prior to the HOU/LAA 8/11/23 game while smoking a cigar

— Yah Boi (@wesslemania_) August 12, 2023

Does he really not have an agent? That has to be unusual, right? I assume the phones are lighting up if true.

Bob Lee said:

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Does he really not have an agent? That has to be unusual, right? I assume the phones are lighting up if true.

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Not necessarily for a player long forgotten and who was in the mexican league.

No agent wants to work for free.

Frok said:

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The orange caps…..those quietly disappeared along with the orange billed blue caps.

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Used to wear them every Sunday home game, then they just stopped at the end of May 2015 (except one more time that August). I really like the ones where the star was all the same navy blue. They really should bring them back, along with some sort of discernible schedule to which uniform they'll wear.

The orange bill hat disappearance has been a little more insidious. From '13 to '17 they wore it about 95% of the time with the gray jerseys. '18 and '19 it was about 40% and '21 to '22 it was under 10%. They haven't worn them with the gray jerseys at all last year or this year. Just a few times with the orange or blue jerseys.

There was also an hat with a blue bill that they only wore with the blue jerseys from '16 to '18. I was not a fan of those.

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Phil Maton is going on the injured list. Parker Mushinski is here in his place.

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Damn Lizard has been trolling us for 4 months.

txags11 said:

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Best lineup we've seen!!!!

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Nice Dusty! Hopefully the bats continue staying alive. Crazy that Ted and Yordan didn't do squat last night but I doubt that becomes a trend.

stoneca said:

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Imagine this lineup

Altuve
Bregman
Tucker
Yordan
Diaz
Singleton
Chas
Peña
Myers

That 1-7 is lethal

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DUSTY LISTENED!