EastCoastAgNc said:Any idea whether they have talked with JV regarding whether he would waive his no-trade to do this?texasaggie2015 said:
Source says it's far from finalized but confirmed the JV talk is legit and it's heating up.
Yeah, just don't want a public rejection or something drawn out like what Max did with the Rangers.Mathguy64 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Any idea whether they have talked with JV regarding whether he would waive his no-trade to do this?texasaggie2015 said:
Source says it's far from finalized but confirmed the JV talk is legit and it's heating up.
Surely that is the first thing they did.
EastCoastAgNc said:SOURCE: The Houston Astros intensifying interest to re-acquire Justin Verlander.@z101digital
— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) July 30, 2023
Rangers were a winter winner and are the big deadline winner so far (Chapman and Scherzer). Still looking to get a bullpen piece, maybe two.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 30, 2023
Farmer1906 said:
I hope the offense shows up against tomorrow because we're going to need it with Bielak. I hope Dusty has a quick hook. Guys are mostly fresh. Across the way it's Snell vs TBA. First place is in reach.
Mathguy64 said:
Tita worked today in the game.
Can't hurt here. Come on Kate. Get the band back together.
I am told one of the possible issues with any team finalizing a deal with Justin Verlander is the 2025 vesting option in his contract.
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) July 29, 2023
If he throws 140 innings in 2024, he will receive a vesting option worth $35M for 2025.
Mets are permitted to provide a contingent cash…
Hold him out until June, shut him down at 139 2/3 innings.texasaggie2015 said:I am told one of the possible issues with any team finalizing a deal with Justin Verlander is the 2025 vesting option in his contract.
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) July 29, 2023
If he throws 140 innings in 2024, he will receive a vesting option worth $35M for 2025.
Mets are permitted to provide a contingent cash…
I can also confirm this
AustinCountyAg said:
Verlanders agent deserves a raise. That's a helluva contract he got him from the Mets.
AggiEE said:
Is it really the worst thing in the world to pay one of the best pitchers in the game $35M for an extra year if he manages to make 140 innings?
Have any of his pitch metrics materially declined this year?
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:
Is it really the worst thing in the world to pay one of the best pitchers in the game $35M for an extra year if he manages to make 140 innings?
Have any of his pitch metrics materially declined this year?
Yes. His fastball has gotten significantly worse thus far.
AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:
Is it really the worst thing in the world to pay one of the best pitchers in the game $35M for an extra year if he manages to make 140 innings?
Have any of his pitch metrics materially declined this year?
Yes. His fastball has gotten significantly worse thus far.
Wasn't he around 95 mph on avg last year? This year it's just shy of that
Chrundle the Great said:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10084480-justin-verlander-rumors-dodgers-interested-in-mets-sp-astros-trade-unrealistic
B/R making it sound like chandlers article is saying not Astros
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:
Is it really the worst thing in the world to pay one of the best pitchers in the game $35M for an extra year if he manages to make 140 innings?
Have any of his pitch metrics materially declined this year?
Yes. His fastball has gotten significantly worse thus far.
Wasn't he around 95 mph on avg last year? This year it's just shy of that
I'm not talking about velo alone. That is down somewhat, but I'm talking about how effective the pitch is.
Here is the run value over the last few years along with the actual stats and expected. Note: you can ignore 2020. That's a one game sample.
Here is what the fastball is doing. Is going more drop (less effective spin / slower) but has lost movement (more straight).
Quote:
Houston could perhaps create a prospect package that satisfies the Mets or trade from its major-league roster, but will find itself lagging if this turns into a competition with the Los Angeles Dodgers, who have also expressed interest in Verlander and boast a far more bountiful farm system. If Crane is reluctant to pay the entire remaining contract or something close to it the prospect paucity presents the Astros' biggest hurdle.
After acquiring Graveman on Friday, Brown sounded like someone cautiously content with the starting rotation as it stands. He did not rule out adding another starter, saying "if we can land something that makes sense and we don't have to mortgage the farm, we may be in business on doing that." Putting together the type of prospect package Cohen and the Mets require could count as mortgaging the farm. Crane hired Brown, in part, for his drafting background and with the understanding that Houston's farm system needed to be refurbished.
On Friday, Brown emphasized that bolstering the bullpen was his biggest priority. It may no longer be his biggest emphasis, but because Brown still has interest in a starter, ignoring an available option is a dereliction of duty. Exploring a reunion with Verlander is part of his job description, but whether it will actually come to fruition is not his call.
For that, Crane may take the wheel.
I know we're sitting here on pins and needles hoping the Astros bring back JV but you have to chuckle at this kind of media narrative v reality. Chapman is a washed up has been that even the Yankees saw fit to get rid of, but yet, a 'name' so that means something.EastCoastAgNc said:Rangers were a winter winner and are the big deadline winner so far (Chapman and Scherzer). Still looking to get a bullpen piece, maybe two.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 30, 2023
They're getting greedy
Farmer1906 said:
Here is my take. JV & his family are very comfortable in Houston. JV has a good understanding of what the pitching coaches bring here. JV has a relationship with Crane. He likes to win. He wants to win. I think he also likes the idea of going head to head with Scherzer to win the West and play him in the postseason potentially too. If JV holds things up by only waiving his clause for Houston, this is where we gain our negotiating advantage. How we potentially land him without paying full price like Arlington did with noted cheater Mad Max. But if JV is open to going to LA too then all bets are off if LA is willing to offer some of the names in the BR article. They 100% can outbid us and it maybe even sounds like ready and willing to.
I posted this a few days ago before the news got too crazy, but I wouldn't touch JV without a significant pay down on his deal. He's declining and will likely continue to in 24 and 25. We have other needs to address in the future. If I read the #s correctly, the Rangers are only paying Max 16-17 M next year. That is a reasonable number for what he brings. I think that would also be reasonable for JV next year. It cost them a top 50ish prospect to get that done. I would have a hard time stomaching giving up a Gilbert type prospect to get old man JV.
