It was a lose/lose for both teams. The Astros needed to get rid of the headcase that was Giles, and the Blue Jays needed to get rid of the headcase Osuna.CSWendt said:EastCoastAgNc said:Any morality they had went out the window when they traded for a known domestic abuser in Chapman.tjack16 said:
I wouldn't be shocked if JV ends up in Arlington. Selfishly I'd like him to go somewhere in the NL though
Surely the morality of the Rangers org wouldn't want a filthy "cheating" Astro though right? At least that's what they claim
Didn't we do the same thing years back when we traded for Osuna?
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Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
This year is too much of a sellers market.
This year is about us being healthy and getting back to form. If that doesn't happen it doesn't happen.
Ride with what we have, let the others overpay.
If we can get verlander for a discount from his contract, great. If not, oh well.
This year is about us being healthy and getting back to form. If that doesn't happen it doesn't happen.
Ride with what we have, let the others overpay.
If we can get verlander for a discount from his contract, great. If not, oh well.
I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
Honestly, this has is the way I've been leaning lately. If Framber and CJ don't get right, then I don't think there is a single SP that we can add that would make our rotation championship caliber. Would it make our team better? Sure. But I think we need to think in terms of championships, not just making a wild card. So, for Dana, I think any "big" trades for a SP comes down to his view on whether Framber and CJ can get right or not. If he does then go ahead and go for it. If not then don't salvage the future.HarryRocket said:
This year is too much of a sellers market.
This year is about us being healthy and getting back to form. If that doesn't happen it doesn't happen.
Ride with what we have, let the others overpay.
If we can get verlander for a discount from his contract, great. If not, oh well.
I knew SD was in trouble but never realized just how much trouble they were in contract wise.
Baseball reference contract estimates put them at $210MM, $300MM, $315MM and $300MM the next 4 years. They are in payroll hell and way underperforming what is costing.
Baseball reference contract estimates put them at $210MM, $300MM, $315MM and $300MM the next 4 years. They are in payroll hell and way underperforming what is costing.
We have traded prospects before that we thought would be future All Stars for players that helped us ultimately win championships. Most of them never panned out for the teams we traded to. Giving up Gilbert would be tough but there's no guarantees that he would be the name of the franchise someday. Injuries and lack of development come into play. If there's a chance of winning another WS this year you go for it!Wabs said:I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
I agree but this is Dana's first trade deadline to show his GM prowess. I hope he doesn't overpay but I bet we do.Wabs said:Honestly, this has is the way I've been leaning lately. If Framber and CJ don't get right, then I don't think there is a single SP that we can add that would make our rotation championship caliber. Would it make our team better? Sure. But I think we need to think in terms of championships, not just making a wild card. So, for Dana, I think any "big" trades for a SP comes down to his view on whether Framber and CJ can get right or not. If he does then go ahead and go for it. If not then don't salvage the future.HarryRocket said:
This year is too much of a sellers market.
This year is about us being healthy and getting back to form. If that doesn't happen it doesn't happen.
Ride with what we have, let the others overpay.
If we can get verlander for a discount from his contract, great. If not, oh well.
Personally I would love to see Brown swing a deal for Snell and Hader, especially before the Rangers do.
Adding a top line SP will definitely give us a chance for another championship. But I think that is ONLY IF CJ and Framber get back to themselves (especially Framber). Dana has (or should have) a much better feel for whether either of these guys will return to form. His willingness to make a big trade depends on what he thinks here. IMO, we're not winning another WS without at minimum one of them fixing their issues.BCEDAg said:We have traded prospects before that we thought would be future All Stars for players that helped us ultimately win championships. Most of them never panned out for the teams we traded to. Giving up Gilbert would be tough but there's no guarantees that he would be the name of the franchise someday. Injuries and lack of development come into play. If there's a chance of winning another WS this year you go for it!Wabs said:I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
Pirates are getting hits on defensive catcher Austin Hedges in addition to Hill, Holderman, Bednar and Keller. @JMackeyPG 1st with Santana deal
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 28, 2023
BCEDAg said:We have traded prospects before that we thought would be future All Stars for players that helped us ultimately win championships. Most of them never panned out for the teams we traded to. Giving up Gilbert would be tough but there's no guarantees that he would be the name of the franchise someday. Injuries and lack of development come into play. If there's a chance of winning another WS this year you go for it!Wabs said:I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
We've also had prospects that were untouchable turn out to suck something awful. It's a gamble either way. Seems like there are some young OF who could lessen the blow if Gilbert was traded. Or they get someone with team control
Mathguy64 said:
I knew SD was in trouble but never realized just how much trouble they were in contract wise.
Baseball reference contract estimates put them at $210MM, $300MM, $315MM and $300MM the next 4 years. They are in payroll hell and way underperforming what is costing.
Yeah they went ALL IN for the short term, and now they're kind of screwed with big contracts
BCEDAg said:We have traded prospects before that we thought would be future All Stars for players that helped us ultimately win championships. Most of them never panned out for the teams we traded to. Giving up Gilbert would be tough but there's no guarantees that he would be the name of the franchise someday. Injuries and lack of development come into play. If there's a chance of winning another WS this year you go for it!Wabs said:I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
I agree. If Gilbert is the only valuable trade offering the Astros have then that doesn't say much about their future viability as contenders. But the chance to win two consecutive WS and the third in seven years puts the Astros in the category of the Big Red machine of the 70s. We could all savor that for a long time.
McInnis said:BCEDAg said:We have traded prospects before that we thought would be future All Stars for players that helped us ultimately win championships. Most of them never panned out for the teams we traded to. Giving up Gilbert would be tough but there's no guarantees that he would be the name of the franchise someday. Injuries and lack of development come into play. If there's a chance of winning another WS this year you go for it!Wabs said:I agree but the cost would be really high. Gilbert would probably be a part of the package.Mathguy64 said:Oh I completely agree. The JV talk is the splash feel good story. The trade to improve your team and make it a favorite is a Snell/Hader package. If I'm Dana that's what I'm aiming for.BadAggie said:Mathguy64 said:
Snell and Hader would be big adds. Frankly that's what Arlington should do. It solves both of their problems.
Both FA rentals so the price shouldn't be insane. Both having good years for a team that is way underperforming.
Hey, uh, maybe Astros should
I agree. If Gilbert is the only valuable trade offering the Astros have then that doesn't say much about their future viability as contenders. But the chance to win two consecutive WS and the third in seven years puts the Astros in the category of the Big Red machine of the 70s. We could all savor that for a long time.
Agree. The time is now
If their evaluation of Gilbert is all star level player, then I'd want to keep him as Tucker's replacement
Korey Lee is one that I think would be a good trade piece to get rid of since we have Diaz
Korey Lee is one that I think would be a good trade piece to get rid of since we have Diaz
Next time you're feelin glum during a tough loss, I invite you to turn back the clock to July 27, 1985, the day the Astros gave up SIXTEEN UNEARNED runs to the Mets in 16-4 loss at the Dome.
That's right, 5 errors paved the way to 16 New York runs, 6 apiece in back-to-back innings. Incredibly, the game was tied 4-4 headed to the seventh inning.
That's right, 5 errors paved the way to 16 New York runs, 6 apiece in back-to-back innings. Incredibly, the game was tied 4-4 headed to the seventh inning.
The #Dodgers, involved in several potential high-stake trade possibilities, are also deep in talks with the #WhiteSox, and are cautiously optimistic about reaching a deal for veteran starter Lance Lynn, and perhaps reliever Joe Kelly, too.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 28, 2023
The Texas #Rangers are aggressively pursuing #STLCards closer Jordan Hicks.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 28, 2023
Hicks is a free agent at the end of the season and will be moved only if the Cardinals can’t sign him to a contract extension before Tuesday.
Dodgers close to agreement to acquire Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly, sources tell @TheAthletic. Possibility mentioned by @JoelSherman1.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 28, 2023
The clown is going home
The more smoke I see regarding verlander coming back the more terrified I am. Would have to be on a massive discount and that doesn't seem likely as much interest as there is.
Some desperate fool is going to let the Mets off the hook.
Don't be us. Don't be us. Don't be us
Some desperate fool is going to let the Mets off the hook.
Don't be us. Don't be us. Don't be us
If the rangers end up with both JV and Hicks I'll be pretty pissed, but at least they won't get Snell/Hader
I'm half and half in the deal. I don't want to overpay for JV but at the same time our starters are struggling big time right now and we desperately need a front end #1 because right now we don't have one.
Rangers are going all in this year and I don't blame them. They are damn good. If we are gunna wanna to make a push Dana is gunna have to do something big.
I feel the Rangers will go all in as well. They have lost their last 2 series to an injury-riddled Astros team. The pressure is there to do something to push them to a division title.AustinCountyAg said:
Rangers are going all in this year and I don't blame them. They are damn good. If we are gunna wanna to make a push Dana is gunna have to do something big.
Lance Lynn has been traded to the #Dodgers. It's done
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 28, 2023
Lance Lynn has been traded to the #Dodgers. It's done
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 28, 2023
Dodgers are chasing Atlanta. I don't think this puts them in the same ballpark.
Maybe it'll reset the market down a bit is all I can hope from that. And the whiny Joe gets shelled every two Jr he touches the mound.
Yankees activate Judge for tonight
With the AL being more wide open I dont see why Rangers, Astros, orioles and Rays all wouldn't go all in.
It'll be one of those four teams vs the Braves in the WS
It'll be one of those four teams vs the Braves in the WS
Glad the Dodgers took Lynn so we couldn't.
Did not want
Did not want
Gonna be one of those weekends
EastCoastAgNc said:Dodgers close to agreement to acquire Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly, sources tell @TheAthletic. Possibility mentioned by @JoelSherman1.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 28, 2023
The clown is going home
This isn't a replay, because this one went 4️⃣6️⃣6️⃣ 🤯 for Singleton!!!
— Sugar Land Space Cowboys (@SLSpaceCowboys) July 28, 2023
(And, peep the bat drop) pic.twitter.com/ghfL0Aas1E
The sound off the bat!!!
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