I could see teams being more interested in a 1 for 1 type trade line the Twins & Marlins did last offseason.

Take Bieber for example. The Indians suck but aren't out of it. They have lots of pitching. They aren't going to extend Bieber. I could see them getting a young bat that's controllable for more than 1.5 years that helps them now and in the future.

But this example doesn't work for us. We need more high level lefty bats. While another high end arm would be nice, it's not an absolute must. You certainly aren't sacrificing a player like Tucker to get one.

I am not even sure we have the farm system to get him. It would probably cost major league talent like Brown along with Gilbert and more.

Wow, I guess my comment the other day about a hypothetical scenario of trading TED may not have been so silly after all. When Dana mentioned being aggressive it signaled to me that more options were possibly on the table than what has typically been mentioned here or on 790 AM. Michael Connor said we basically have nothing noteworthy of value especially compared to other teams that will be trying to upgrade.

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I could see teams being more interested in a 1 for 1 type trade line the Twins & Marlins did last offseason.

Take Bieber for example. The Indians suck but aren't out of it. They have lots of pitching. They aren't going to extend Bieber. I could see them getting a young bat that's controllable for more than 1.5 years that helps them now and in the future.

But this example doesn't work for us. We need more high level lefty bats. While another high end arm would be nice, it's not an absolute must. You certainly aren't sacrificing a player like Tucker to get one.

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Yea, it's almost impossible to think of something that makes sense in all directions. On the topic of Robert, I was toying with an idea like this:

Astros get: Robert
Third team gets: Tucker
White Sox get: Big haul of prospects from third team and small haul of prospects from us

But as nice as it would be to snag Robert and the additional 2 years of control he has relative to Ted, it makes our lefty problem worse.

For those considering trading Tucker, you will essentially be giving up 2 1/2 seasons of an all-star caliber player, for 1-4 seasons of a more expensive all star caliber player

I don't think it will actually happen or want it to anyway.

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Wow, I guess my comment the other day about a hypothetical scenario of trading TED may not have been so silly after all. When Dana mentioned being aggressive it signaled to me that more options were possibly on the table than what has typically been mentioned here or on 790 AM. Michael Connor said we basically have nothing noteworthy of value especially compared to other teams that will be trying to upgrade.

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which means the other option...is to take on salary and/or a semi-bad contract

those trades don't require as much player value going back in return

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We need another #3/#4 starter for the rotation next year anyway so I assume we would go that route.

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Here is who it would consider trading Tucker for.
Wander
Acuna
Julio
Luis Robert
Rutschman
Reynolds

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None of those are who I was referring...

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You'd trade 2.5 seasons of Tucker for 0.5 of Ohtani? No way for me. Angels 100% make that trade if they believe Ohtani won't sign with them.

All the guys I listed have longer yet reasonable contracts and are almost as good or better. And it's all hypothetical because only Robert has a chance at being available and if he is, they won't want Tucker for him, they'll want all the prospects.

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I've said numerous times in a sign and trade scenario, didn't say for rental. Im just saying hes the only player id consider it for, but with a mega contract attached. so yes id give up 2.5yr of Tucker for Ohtani at like 8/350

Their goal is at least one (preferably two) instant impact bats and a middle of the rotation veteran arm.

I fully expect from what I've been told that the bigger name will be the bat.

Need the Marlins to go through a little losing streak to convince them they won't make the playoffs. Then send Soler to Houston.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Here is who it would consider trading Tucker for.
Wander
Acuna
Julio
Luis Robert
Rutschman
Reynolds

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None of those are who I was referring...

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You'd trade 2.5 seasons of Tucker for 0.5 of Ohtani? No way for me. Angels 100% make that trade if they believe Ohtani won't sign with them.

All the guys I listed have longer yet reasonable contracts and are almost as good or better. And it's all hypothetical because only Robert has a chance at being available and if he is, they won't want Tucker for him, they'll want all the prospects.

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I've said numerous times in a sign and trade scenario, didn't say for rental. Im just saying hes the only player id consider it for, but with a mega contract attached. so yes id give up 2.5yr of Tucker for Ohtani at like 8/350

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Ohtani is going to get 10 years 500mil minimum.
8/350 would be hwy robbery

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Not from the Astros he wont...

edit: my point being what i said is what id be willing to trade Ted for. im not saying its reasonable just the only type option id consider. Thus he will be here 2.5 more years and then he will walk away like the previous guys...hopefully not bite us in the butt, it sounds bad to say but so far we have a good track record of guys walking and never being as good as they were here. Hopefully that continues in perpetuity and if we ever do sign a guy long terms hopefully it pays off and he continues to excel

It's tricky to see who will be selling at the deadline. Here is my stab at it. Prices are going to be high this deadline. I have Dana is savvy like Click was.

AL East

• The Sox probably should be sellers. They're 1 game under .500 and 5 games out of the WC. They could use a mini rebuild to try and compete in that division in 2025.

AL Central

• KC & DET are sellers. No doubt.
• While the White Sox probably should (9 games under .500), they may not. 5.5 out of the division. We need them to lose.
• Similar to Chicago, Cleveland is under .500 yet only 3.5 off the lead. They may look to make changes, but I doubt they go into sell-off mode.

AL West

• If Oakland has anything to sell, they probably will.
• I doubt Seattle is selling. They probably try to mix a few things up. They love trading more than anyone.

NL East

• Washington should be sellers, but they don't have much to sell.
• Mets & Phillies are in some danger in the division, but 2 & 4 games out of the WC. Something would have to go really wrong to make them sellers at the deadline. Too much $$$ invested.
• Miami is locked in the WC. No reason to sell. They should be buyers.

NL Central

• Similar to the AL Central, not a lot of good teams here. Buck-Os, Brew Crew, & Reds all near the top and shouldn't be selling.
• Cubs are only 4.5 out of the division & 5.5 out of the WC, but most expect them to be sellers.
• I think it's time to pronounce the Cards as dead. The 8.5 games aren't insurmountable, but they should be big-time sellers to regroup in 2024.

NL West

• Rockies are easy sellers
• San Diego fits in with the Mets & Phillies. Too much $$$ in this season not to go for it.

Sellers

• KC
• DET
• OAK
• WSH
• COL

Potential Sellers

• BOS
• CHW
• CHC
• STL

Not Selling but they Should or Willing to make trades but not Selling

• NYM
• PHI
• SD

• SEA
• CLE

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Farmer1906 said:

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I could see teams being more interested in a 1 for 1 type trade line the Twins & Marlins did last offseason.

Take Bieber for example. The Indians suck but aren't out of it. They have lots of pitching. They aren't going to extend Bieber. I could see them getting a young bat that's controllable for more than 1.5 years that helps them now and in the future.

But this example doesn't work for us. We need more high level lefty bats. While another high end arm would be nice, it's not an absolute must. You certainly aren't sacrificing a player like Tucker to get one.

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Yea, it's almost impossible to think of something that makes sense in all directions. On the topic of Robert, I was toying with an idea like this:

Astros get: Robert
Third team gets: Tucker
White Sox get: Big haul of prospects from third team and small haul of prospects from us

But as nice as it would be to snag Robert and the additional 2 years of control he has relative to Ted, it makes our lefty problem worse.

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You would trade an all star in Tucker for an injury prone outfielder who might be slightly better but is still unproven?

Farmer1906 said:

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Its tricky to see who will be selling at the deadline. Here is my stab at it. Prices are going to be high this deadline. I have Dana is savvy like Click was.

AL East

• The Sox probably should be sellers. They're 1 game under .500 and 5 games out of the WC. They could use a mini rebuild to try and compete in that division in 2015.

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Time travel, I like it!

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Farmer1906 said:

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I could see teams being more interested in a 1 for 1 type trade line the Twins & Marlins did last offseason.

Take Bieber for example. The Indians suck but aren't out of it. They have lots of pitching. They aren't going to extend Bieber. I could see them getting a young bat that's controllable for more than 1.5 years that helps them now and in the future.

But this example doesn't work for us. We need more high level lefty bats. While another high end arm would be nice, it's not an absolute must. You certainly aren't sacrificing a player like Tucker to get one.

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Yea, it's almost impossible to think of something that makes sense in all directions. On the topic of Robert, I was toying with an idea like this:

Astros get: Robert
Third team gets: Tucker
White Sox get: Big haul of prospects from third team and small haul of prospects from us

But as nice as it would be to snag Robert and the additional 2 years of control he has relative to Ted, it makes our lefty problem worse.

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You would trade an all star in Tucker for an injury prone outfielder who might be slightly better but is still unproven?

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I agree Tucker is probably better offensively.
~1800 PAs @ 127 wRC+ vs ~1200 PAs @ 124 wRC+.
Shrink it to 2021-now its 1451 PA @ 133 wRC+ vs 972 PA @ 130 wRC+

The pros would be 2 additional years on control & better defense. I would consider it. I don't think Chicago ever would in their situation.

What would trading a major contributor like Tuck do to the locker room?

He's a star not a role player like Chaz, Julks, Meyers even Dubon

What about Seth Brown with the A's? He plays 1B and OF. He's also a LHH.

His OBP and BA are down this year, but I wonder if that has to do with the lack of protection around him in the A's lineup.

He has a .741 career OPS.

Not a terrible thought. He's got a bunch of control left (3.5 years) so the As might want to hang on to him or at least ask for more than a guy like Brown is worth. He is an extreme splits guy. So bad he cannot be allowed to face a RHP. He's 0-23 with 4 walks vs RHP this year. A career OPS of .469 vs RHP.

Seth Brown is a name I've heard mentioned not just this year but they also inquired about him over the offseason as well

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Not a terrible thought. He's got a bunch of control left (3.5 years) so the As might want to hang on to him or at least ask for more than a guy like Brown is worth. He is an extreme splits guy. So bad he cannot be allowed to face a RHP. He's 0-23 with 4 walks vs RHP this year. A career OPS of .469 vs RHP.

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I didn't realize on the reverse splits.

Also, he is already 30 years old with that much control.

It could work, if the price is right.

I'd still rather go after Joc.

Chas in the leadoff spot.

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