***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:37a, 6/12/23
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Since Tucker wants to be a free agent in a few years, I wonder what it would take to move him in a trade, if he's even a potential option at this point.


There are levels to this game. You can't trade a guy like TED unless you're the Rays and constantly playing the low budget game and not ever going all in.
I was just thinking hypothetically in case the haul we could potentially get for him would too much to pass on, and if he could be reasonably replaced in the aggregate.

I am taking your comment to mean it would look bad for the Astros to the rest of the league and future targets if that deal was made. Thing is, the Astros are already known for not giving big free agent deals often.
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In reply to cc10106 • 11:40a, 6/12/23
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Since Tucker wants to be a free agent in a few years, I wonder what it would take to move him in a trade, if he's even a potential option at this point.
For me it would have to be one solid prospect per year of service of Tucker, so 2.5 prospects we really like. Hell we got Diaz and Maton for 4.5 years of Straw, Tucker commands much more than that for 2.5 years IMO.

But I don't hate the idea of parting ways now if we get a good return since we have a bit of a logjam in outfield. I don't want rentals, I want an increasing window for Espada to work with
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In reply to cc10106 • 11:40a, 6/12/23
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cc10106 said:
Farmer1906 said:
cc10106 said:
Since Tucker wants to be a free agent in a few years, I wonder what it would take to move him in a trade, if he's even a potential option at this point.


There are levels to this game. You can't trade a guy like TED unless you're the Rays and constantly playing the low budget game and not ever going all in.
I was just thinking hypothetically in case the haul we could potentially get for him would too much to pass on, and if he could be reasonably replaced in the aggregate.

I am taking your comment to mean it would look bad for the Astros to the rest of the league and future targets if that deal was made. Thing is, the Astros are already known for not giving big free agent deals often.


It would signal to the fans and rest of baseball that they were not serious about winning this season. It would be awfully silly to waste a season of prime Altuve, Alvarez, Bregman, Framber, & Javier.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:48a, 6/12/23
Meanwhile most of those fans would probably trade him for an Ohtani rental.
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In reply to Eso si, Que es • 11:49a, 6/12/23
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So... you're good with trading a guy who can help us win a championship now for... lottery tickets?
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In reply to cc10106 • 11:51a, 6/12/23
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cc10106 said:
Meanwhile most of those fans would probably trade him for an Ohtani rental.
Ill be honest, in a sign in trade type scenario id be willing to entertain it. but the trade cant contain Gilbert
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:57a, 6/12/23
texasaggie2015 said:
So... you're good with trading a guy who can help us win a championship now for... lottery tickets?
Nope, but I would expect a nice haul if we did, and not rentals. It is apparent we aren't going to be able to extend him beyond 2025 and if we choose to capitalize on his value at some point to go all in on Gilbert as his replacement then it wouldn't break my heart.

My preference would be Tucker through 25 and Gilbert through 2030 (assuming Gilbert comes up next year for some limited use.
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11:59a, 6/12/23
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FWIW- I've been told there's a "probably less than 1% chance" Tucker re-signs with Houston
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:03p, 6/12/23
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FWIW- I've been told there's a "probably less than 1% chance" Tucker re-signs with Houston
Dang. I figured it was low, but that's brutal.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:04p, 6/12/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
FWIW- I've been told there's a "probably less than 1% chance" Tucker re-signs with Houston
It will be interesting to see whether we trade him next year, in 2025, or let him walk and get nothing for him. There are probably a hundred different variables involved, but interesting nonetheless.
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In reply to spadilly • 12:09p, 6/12/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
FWIW- I've been told there's a "probably less than 1% chance" Tucker re-signs with Houston
Dang. I figured it was low, but that's brutal.
I wonder how much of his brother's experience in Houston factors into that. *(if it does at all)*


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In reply to cc10106 • 12:12p, 6/12/23
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Pretty significant factor.
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In reply to cc10106 • 12:16p, 6/12/23
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spadilly said:
texasaggie2015 said:
FWIW- I've been told there's a "probably less than 1% chance" Tucker re-signs with Houston
Dang. I figured it was low, but that's brutal.
I wonder how much of his brother's experience in Houston factors into that. *(if it does at all)*


I think it was more how long he got stuck behind Reddick and others. His time under team control was extended at minimum one year, and in his mind probably 2 years from when he thought he was ready. That is a lot of money left on the table that probably irritates him.
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12:16p, 6/12/23
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Our wide-ass open window is going to be challenged in the next 2-3 seasons. In '23, '24, or '25 the following will become FA unless extended. Altuve, Bregman, Pressly, Abreu, Montero, Maldonado, Stanek, Maton, Valdez, Tucker, Urquidy, & Taylor. I think sending out any major big leaguer that could help us win a title in the 2-3 year window would be a terrible idea.

After this window, the team is going to look very different. Much like 17 and 23 looked very different. We will still have the following in '26 with some being here even longer. Alvarez, McCullers, Javier, Dubon, Garcia, Abreu, Pena, Meyers, Martinez, Brown, & Diaz.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:17p, 6/12/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Pretty significant factor.
Really? What happened with him outside the fact he wasn't that good?
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:18p, 6/12/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Pretty significant factor.
I never understood why Preston didn't get a longer look. It seems he was treated the same way Jake and Chas are looked at right now.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:19p, 6/12/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Pretty significant factor.


He's butt hurt because his brother got DFA'd from the 40 man roster after it was clear he wasn't a major league talent. That's pretty dumb to be upset at the Astros over that.
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12:20p, 6/12/23
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Lol

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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:20p, 6/12/23
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bearkatag15 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
Pretty significant factor.


He's butt hurt because his brother got DFA'd from the 40 man roster after it was clear he wasn't a major league talent. That's pretty dumb to be upset at the Astros over that.
Yep. Brother had a career WAR of -1.0, and didn't cut it for any other teams, either
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:31p, 6/12/23
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Lol




wut...?
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12:32p, 6/12/23
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I did not have Tucker trade talk or Corey Julks All Star talk in mid June on my 2023 Astros bingo card.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 12:39p, 6/12/23
Anything to break up the incessant potbanging just 7 months after winning a title when most swore we'd never win another.
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12:43p, 6/12/23
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We should not nor will we trade Kyle Tucker.
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In reply to cc10106 • 12:49p, 6/12/23
Not to mention all the talk about another division rival that has proven nothing.
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12:50p, 6/12/23
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If Kyle Tucker was on another team, we'd be saying "wow, that's the perfect guy to trade for" given his production profile and controllability through 2025
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12:54p, 6/12/23
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speak it into existence...
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:57p, 6/12/23
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bearkatag15 said:


speak it into existence...
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:58p, 6/12/23
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speak it into existence...



Yeah right
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:01p, 6/12/23
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Ag_07 said:
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speak it into existence...



Yeah right
Maybe?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:04p, 6/12/23
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I've no doubt missed alot of Bellinger discussion over the first few months, so I ask this question humbly... are we sure that his form is back and that he's a no-brainer upgrade over Dubon/Chas/Jake?
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1:04p, 6/12/23
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Robbie Grossman being the 3rd DH in voting is more comical than Julks being 4th
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In reply to Deluxe • 1:06p, 6/12/23
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Deluxe said:
I've no doubt missed alot of Bellinger discussion over the first few months, so I ask this question humbly... are we sure that his form is back and that he's a no-brainer upgrade over Dubon/Chas/Jake?
If nothing else he is another LH bat on the team which we really need if Brantley isn't expected back.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:08p, 6/12/23
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bearkatag15 said:
Deluxe said:
I've no doubt missed alot of Bellinger discussion over the first few months, so I ask this question humbly... are we sure that his form is back and that he's a no-brainer upgrade over Dubon/Chas/Jake?
If nothing else he is another LH bat on the team which we really need if Brantley isn't expected back.

Fair
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:09p, 6/12/23
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bearkatag15 said:
Deluxe said:
I've no doubt missed alot of Bellinger discussion over the first few months, so I ask this question humbly... are we sure that his form is back and that he's a no-brainer upgrade over Dubon/Chas/Jake?
If nothing else he is another LH bat on the team which we really need if Brantley isn't expected back.
Who can play first
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In reply to Deluxe • 1:09p, 6/12/23
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Deluxe said:
I've no doubt missed alot of Bellinger discussion over the first few months, so I ask this question humbly... are we sure that his form is back and that he's a no-brainer upgrade over Dubon/Chas/Jake?


I wouldn't insert him in CF and play him there everyday. He's a lefty bat who can play OF and INF(1st). He's be an ideal platoon with Abreu or Chas/Jake vs RHP.

Edit- I'm slow.
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