IMO he doesn't have enough pop in his bat to make him an everyday outfielder. How I would like to see Dubón utilized once Tuve returns is as a super utility man much like Bill Spiers employed by the 'Stros in the '90s.
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Mechanics might look similar but their pitching & type of contact is quite different.
Chas was much better than Dubon or Jake in his 11 games. It's probably not sustainable unless he starts hitting the ball a lot harder. But he's got 2 years of a solid history. No reason to expect him to fall off in the middle of his prime.
Jake has shown some improvement with the leg kick. But he's still striking out too much. He plays a hell of a CF tho.
Dubon's new approach (oppo) is working for now. There is nothing in his quality of contact that says he can't continue to hit for a high avg. I wonder if teams pitch or shift him different now that he's showing a new pattern.
Chas was much better than Dubon or Jake in his 11 games. It's probably not sustainable unless he starts hitting the ball a lot harder. But he's got 2 years of a solid history. No reason to expect him to fall off in the middle of his prime.
Jake has shown some improvement with the leg kick. But he's still striking out too much. He plays a hell of a CF tho.
Dubon's new approach (oppo) is working for now. There is nothing in his quality of contact that says he can't continue to hit for a high avg. I wonder if teams pitch or shift him different now that he's showing a new pattern.
Farmer1906 said:
Jake has shown some improvement with the leg kick. But he's still striking out too much. He plays a hell of a CF tho.
Please elaborate a bit on this because from what I see he plays a very meh CF.
He takes a bad route every now and then, gets caught napping where singles turn into doubles, and has an awful arm that guys run on every chance they get.
Yeah he covers lots of ground but IMO Jake is a liability on defense overall.
And man talking about Jake playing CF makes me remember how fun it was watching Jake Marisnick play defense.
You have to go all the way back to the 90s to find an Astros super-utility man? Did you not watch the 2017 season?jkag89 said:
IMO he doesn't have enough pop in his bat to make him an everyday outfielder. How I would like to see Dubón utilized once Tuve returns is as a super utility man much like Bill Spiers employed by the 'Stros in the '90s.
Don't confuse my previous post for anything other than poking fun at an old man looking at two guys and going "yeah they're the same, put Dubon out there to keep guys from going to 3rd."
Well that old man is probably right on that line of thinking.
Hell any one of us could take 3rd on Jake.
Hell any one of us could take 3rd on Jake.
Do we keep Dubon's bat in the line-up, as DH?tjack16 said:
Does Dubon become the everyday CF when Altuve comes back?
It crossed my mind but I wasn't sure. Dustylitics is something else.
You might as well file it away that if I mention Dusty then I am about to be 100% sarcastic/facetious/critical/whatever.
If it doesn't make any actual sense, it's not my actual opinion.
If it doesn't make any actual sense, it's not my actual opinion.
Ag_07 said:Farmer1906 said:
Jake has shown some improvement with the leg kick. But he's still striking out too much. He plays a hell of a CF tho.
Please elaborate a bit on this because from what I see he plays a very meh CF.
He takes a bad route every now and then, gets caught napping where singles turn into doubles, and has an awful arm that guys run on every chance they get.
Yeah he covers lots of ground but IMO Jake is a liability on defense overall.
And man talking about Jake playing CF makes me remember how fun it was watching Jake Marisnick play defense.
Of course.
Jake's jump (combo of reaction, burst, and route) is elite. He is currently 9th in baseball in feet traveled in the correct direction vs the avg OFer. He goes 2.4 feet to the average players 1 in the first 3 seconds. Then you add in his elite speed after the jump. His sprint speed is in the 96%. That combo means he gets to and makes plays most don't. He has 3 OAA which is tied for 4th for OFers even without being a full time starter. There have been 2 plays he hasn't made this season and both were potential 5* catches (0-25% probability). He's perfect on 1, 2, & 3* catches. Then we get to the "noodle" arm. I think he's finally healthy because that noodle's average is 88.2 MPH, tied with Tucker. He topped out at 97.6 which puts him 9th hardest for OFers with at least 50 throws.
He speed and jump have always been good. The arm is improving. As he gets more experience I think we'll see fewer mental mistakes. Those can be taught. His skill and talent cannot.
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Way late to the discussion here but the exact play Bregman misplyedbit so no one is taught to play it exactly like that. But the days of old of advanced fielding veins taught by squaring up and using two hands is slowing.
Better reads on the ball and body position allows many more plays especially at third to be able to feed to second. Also there is a bigger push internationally to field more one handed and charging the ball. It allows more adjustment to hops and quicker through the ball. But relies on more hand eye coordination.
Better reads on the ball and body position allows many more plays especially at third to be able to feed to second. Also there is a bigger push internationally to field more one handed and charging the ball. It allows more adjustment to hops and quicker through the ball. But relies on more hand eye coordination.
RC_57 said:Do we keep Dubon's bat in the line-up, as DH?tjack16 said:
Does Dubon become the everyday CF when Altuve comes back?
Brantley or Yordan would be DH more than likely
AggieNiebs said:You have to go all the way back to the 90s to find an Astros super-utility man? Did you not watch the 2017 season?jkag89 said:
IMO he doesn't have enough pop in his bat to make him an everyday outfielder. How I would like to see Dubón utilized once Tuve returns is as a super utility man much like Bill Spiers employed by the 'Stros in the '90s.
Sorry I is old. For me Spiers personifies the quintessential utility player. For all Marwin contributed to the '17 World Series Championship team, he kinda sorta just gets lost in the shuffle.
I was a big Bill Spiers fan. Currently on the Clemson football coaching staff:
Bill Spiers Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site
Bill Spiers Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site
HB getting some love in MLBs Rookie Power Rankings
3. Hunter Brown, RHP, Astros (previously unranked)
So this may have been a bit of a miss on our part. Brown was a top-50 prospect entering the year, and he had a rotation spot, at least at the start of the year. And it shouldn't surprise anybody when the Astros churn out a young pitcher who can get it done at the Major League level. Brown has struck out at least five in each of his five starts, and in three of those games he's gone seven or more innings with no more than one earned run. He's impressive.
3. Hunter Brown, RHP, Astros (previously unranked)
So this may have been a bit of a miss on our part. Brown was a top-50 prospect entering the year, and he had a rotation spot, at least at the start of the year. And it shouldn't surprise anybody when the Astros churn out a young pitcher who can get it done at the Major League level. Brown has struck out at least five in each of his five starts, and in three of those games he's gone seven or more innings with no more than one earned run. He's impressive.
Ag_07 said:
HB getting some love in MLBs Rookie Power Rankings
3. Hunter Brown, RHP, Astros (previously unranked)
So this may have been a bit of a miss on our part. Brown was a top-50 prospect entering the year, and he had a rotation spot, at least at the start of the year. And it shouldn't surprise anybody when the Astros churn out a young pitcher who can get it done at the Major League level. Brown has struck out at least five in each of his five starts, and in three of those games he's gone seven or more innings with no more than one earned run. He's impressive.
He's played outfield since college. His mental mistakes in the outfield are in excusable at the big league level with the amount of experience he already has playing the position.Farmer1906 said:Ag_07 said:Farmer1906 said:
Jake has shown some improvement with the leg kick. But he's still striking out too much. He plays a hell of a CF tho.
Please elaborate a bit on this because from what I see he plays a very meh CF.
He takes a bad route every now and then, gets caught napping where singles turn into doubles, and has an awful arm that guys run on every chance they get.
Yeah he covers lots of ground but IMO Jake is a liability on defense overall.
And man talking about Jake playing CF makes me remember how fun it was watching Jake Marisnick play defense.
Of course.
Jake's jump (combo of reaction, burst, and route) is elite. He is currently 9th in baseball in feet traveled in the correct direction vs the avg OFer. He goes 2.4 feet to the average players 1 in the first 3 seconds. Then you add in his elite speed after the jump. His sprint speed is in the 96%. That combo means he gets to and makes plays most don't. He has 3 OAA which is tied for 4th for OFers even without being a full time starter. There have been 2 plays he hasn't made this season and both were potential 5* catches (0-25% probability). He's perfect on 1, 2, & 3* catches. Then we get to the "noodle" arm. I think he's finally healthy because that noodle's average is 88.2 MPH, tied with Tucker. He topped out at 97.6 which puts him 9th hardest for OFers with at least 50 throws.
He speed and jump have always been good. The arm is improving. As he gets more experience I think we'll see fewer mental mistakes. Those can be taught. His skill and talent cannot.
ETA: he's seemed to have made less mental mistakes the past couple weeks vs the start of the year so he has that going for him.
Honestly, I'm sure a lot has to do with trying a little too hard and overthinking. Especially when you consider his situation. Fresh off an injury, position battle with Chas. I think he's been trying a little too hard to prove himself when he just needs to play loose and play his game. It seems he's starting to do that.
Also- sorry for bickering at you the other day, brother. I was having a bad day and it spilled out over here. No hard feelings and I'll be better!
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Tucker won a gold glove last year and let a guy advance on a fly ball that a play could have been made on. It happens to everyone. And I don't think it's happening as much as you think with Jake. Playing HS ball in the OF =/ playing OF in the show.
Jake appears to finally be getting healthy and recovering from his shoulder issue. Not saying he's ever going to have a plus arm, but he sure seems more comfortable swinging a bat. He should have never been on the field last year - it was obvious he was not physically ready to be in the MLB.
Don't bring that negative attitude here SIR! You will break the streak tonightBregxit said:Ag_07 said:
HB getting some love in MLBs Rookie Power Rankings
3. Hunter Brown, RHP, Astros (previously unranked)
So this may have been a bit of a miss on our part. Brown was a top-50 prospect entering the year, and he had a rotation spot, at least at the start of the year. And it shouldn't surprise anybody when the Astros churn out a young pitcher who can get it done at the Major League level. Brown has struck out at least five in each of his five starts, and in three of those games he's gone seven or more innings with no more than one earned run. He's impressive.
I apologize for his and the Astros impending loss tonight since I will be at the game. I'm like 0-8 in my last 8 regular season games.
Off-topic, but with all the extra steals happening in baseball, I'm still blown away by how many stolen bases Ricky Henderson had in 1982. 130 stolen bases in 232 on base chances (hits-home runs-triples+walks). That is absolutely insane. He was at the late-end of his prime when I was born, so I never had a chance to watch him at his peak; but that must have been extremely annoying to play against, with him almost always in scoring position.
Ricky Henderson had like 25 years of 70+ steals. And I think 3 over 160. Completely unfathomable in the context of today's game.
I want to see Rickey run with bigger bases and being limited to only two pickoffs. He's the most prolific base stealer and run scorer in history (and also hit almost 300 HRs).RED AG 98 said:
Ricky Henderson had like 25 years of 70+ steals. And I think 3 over 160. Completely unfathomable in the context of today's game.
But all of this is wrong... he never had anything close to 160 steals. The 130 in 1982 was his high water mark.
He played 25 years total, and many of them were below 70 steals. He only had 7 years above 70 (which is still amazing).
Lol
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Rickey Henderson, Vince Coleman, and to a slightly lesser extent Tim Raines were pretty amazing in the 80s and 90s. Rickey and Vince had multiple years with 100+ SB, and Raines had a consistent run with 6 years at 70+.
I can only imagine what those guys would be doing with the new rules implemented this year.
I can only imagine what those guys would be doing with the new rules implemented this year.
I might have to look a little more into the impact the new rules have had on base stealing, so far. Today, there are only 8 players with double digit steals. Ronald Acuna is the leader with 13 (and caught only twice). 15 attempts in a month doesn't seem like a lot...but I don't have a good basis for comparison.
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Funny that Rickey Henderson is being discussed. My friends and I were debating this poll on twitter. My buddies went with Pujols and I went with Henderson. All time runs scored leader and all time base stealer plus more years of being good did it for me.
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It's Pujols easily for me.
Rickey
Albert
Jeter
Ichiro
If its their career and not MLB time swap Ichiro and Jeter
Albert
Jeter
Ichiro
If its their career and not MLB time swap Ichiro and Jeter
Digging just a bit more, using Acuna:redline248 said:
I might have to look a little more into the impact the new rules have had on base stealing, so far. Today, there are only 8 players with double digit steals. Ronald Acuna is the leader with 13 (and caught only twice). 15 attempts in a month doesn't seem like a lot...but I don't have a good basis for comparison.
Best as I can tell he's reached 1st 46 times (41 hits - 15 xBH + 16 BB + 1 IBB + 1 HBP + 1 reached by error)
So 15 attempts is a third of the time. Maybe that is a lot.
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