***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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Farmer1906
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2:27p, 7/19/23
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Here is a pretty solid Cease comp. Cease is younger tho.

Mariners receive
  • RHP Luis Castillo (studd with 1.5 years left)
Reds receive
  • SS Noelvi Marte (#1) Age 20, A+
  • SS Edwin Arroyo (#3) Age 18, A
  • RHP Levi Stoudt (#5) Age 24, AAA
  • RHP Andrew Moore (UR) Ags 21, A

Astros would need to give:
  • OF Drew Gilbert (#1) Age 22, AA
  • OF/1B Ryan Clifford (#4) Age 19, A+
  • OF/2B Pedro Leon (#6) Age 25, AAA
  • RHP Jose Fleury (#27) Age 21, A
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In reply to Marvin • 2:28p, 7/19/23
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Marvin said:
This team needs some good news. A trade would be nice. Getting Yordan, Urquidy, and Altuve back would be nice. Dusty retiring would be nice. The Rangers going on a 10-game bender would be nice. Throwing a complete game woudl be nice.

I'll take any of those at this point.



If we could get Yordan, Tuve, Urquidy, and some starting/relief pitching via trade all around the same time that would be an enormous shot in the arm
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:28p, 7/19/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Here is a pretty solid Cease comp.

Mariners receive
  • RHP Luis Castillo (studd with 1.5 years left)
Reds receive
  • SS Noelvi Marte (#1) Age 20, A+
  • SS Edwin Arroyo (#3) Age 18, A
  • RHP Levi Stoudt (#5) Age 24, AAA
  • RHP Andrew Moore (UR) Ags 21, A

Astros would need to give:
  • OF Drew Gilbert (#1) Age 22, AA
  • OF/1B Ryan Clifford (#4) Age 19, A+
  • OF/2B Pedro Leon (#6) Age 25, AAA
  • RHP Jose Fleury (#27) Age 21, A



Maybe I'm crazy but no thanks.


Those 2 years of no picks is really showing its ugly face now
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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2:29p, 7/19/23
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Chas is in a battle
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:29p, 7/19/23
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But that's not a lot of ML ready compete next year pieces that they reportedly want.

Wonder if they'd go for Chas instead of Gilbert and France instead of Clifford
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:31p, 7/19/23
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That is indeed a decent comp, but a couple of differences:
1) Cease has 2.5 years, not 1.5 remaining (pro CWS)
2) Castillo was perceived as more dominant at time of trade (pro HOU)
3) Chicago is more likely to want to swap out a propect for a major league ready guy

Good starting point, though, which makes me think you start a package by subtracting either Gilbert or Clifford and adding one of our ML OF, plus another mid-level prospect.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:31p, 7/19/23
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Ag_07 said:
But that's not a lot of ML ready compete next year pieces that they reportedly want.

Wonder if they'd go for Chas instead of Gilbert and France instead of Clifford
I was more so matching it up to the type of player given up for the Mariners.
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2:32p, 7/19/23
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I would keep Clifford over Gilbert. Clifford might be my 1 untouchable prospect.
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2:33p, 7/19/23
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I don't know if the White Sox wanting big league ready talent has been reported or not. If it has, I missed it. I'm just repeating what I've been told when I say that.
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2:33p, 7/19/23
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Lose to this ragarm and I'll about be done. It's just ridiculous how pathetic this offense can look sometimes against weak pitching. They better light him up the second time around.

(It's not called being dramatic, it's being pissed of watching this same ****show on eternal repeat)
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
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In reply to SpaceCityAg05 • 2:33p, 7/19/23
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SpaceCityAg05 said:
That is indeed a decent comp, but a couple of differences:
1) Cease has 2.5 years, not 1.5 remaining (pro CWS)
2) Castillo was perceived as more dominant at time of trade (pro HOU)
3) Chicago is more likely to want to swap out a propect for a major league ready guy

Good starting point, though, which makes me think you start a package by subtracting either Gilbert or Clifford and adding one of our ML OF, plus another mid-level prospect.
Wow good catch. I was thinking 1.5 years.

Cease was runner-up for the Cy. I am not sure that perception is correct.

I don't think it gets done without Gilbert.
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2:34p, 7/19/23
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0 runs in the last 10 innings against the worst team in the NL
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:34p, 7/19/23
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Yeah and it's a good comp/start

I would just have heartburn giving up both Gilbert and Clifford.

Wonder if Lee would or could be worked into a deal? Have to imagine he holds some kind of value.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:36p, 7/19/23
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Ag_07 said:
Yeah and it's a good comp/start

I would just have heartburn giving up both Gilbert and Clifford.

Wonder if Lee would or could be worked into a deal? Have to imagine he holds some kind of value.
His very uneventful stint in the bigs pretty much shot any value he has.
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2:37p, 7/19/23
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Lee might have some value for a franchise lacking catcher depth, but he would never really move the needle in a trade package.
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2:38p, 7/19/23
We're on the back end of a 2nd run. A 3rd is highly unlikely. Damn the torpedoes, trade the prospects away.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:39p, 7/19/23
texasaggie2015 said:
I don't know if the White Sox wanting big league ready talent has been reported or not. If it has, I missed it. I'm just repeating what I've been told when I say that.
If they are serious about a rebuild, can't imagine they'd want much ML ready talent.
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In reply to Beat40 • 2:39p, 7/19/23
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The owner doesn't want to rebuild.
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2:41p, 7/19/23
Then why would they trade a SP with 2 years left? It's all about SP.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:42p, 7/19/23
texasaggie2015 said:
The owner doesn't want to rebuild.
I would think ML ready talent would be on the table if that's the case, but I agree with HarryRocket - why trade away a guy who could compete for a CY if you aren't going to rebuild?
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2:43p, 7/19/23
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Jake from Rake Farm.
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2:43p, 7/19/23
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I hope the white Sox just saw that Meyers double
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In reply to Beat40 • 2:44p, 7/19/23
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The report said that Cease was Houston's dream acquisition. It didn't really say the White Sox were shopping him. Just something to keep in mind when we discuss all this.

Edit to add: I know there's been multiple conversations. It very well could be one of those things where we want to see what it would take in case the Sox actually decide they want to sell off some of their guys. We'll see. It's a fun time of year.
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2:45p, 7/19/23
Moved the runner. That's a positive.
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2:45p, 7/19/23
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Not mad at that
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2:45p, 7/19/23
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At least we moved a runner to 3rd!!! Baby steps!
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:46p, 7/19/23
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That was my basis for the ML talent comment. The White Sox don't want to admit a rebuild, just a retooling.

That is why I wonder if Cease + Robert might be easier to do, even if it drives the price tag way up. We have numbers and prospect value that would be easier to part with if we were locking up a long term CF: Chas, Meyers, Julks, Gilbert, Melton, Leon, etc.
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2:47p, 7/19/23
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Amazing
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2:47p, 7/19/23
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Ok. Let's note for the future. Peña can't bunt.
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2:47p, 7/19/23
AG
Yeah Pena let's bunt
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2:49p, 7/19/23
Where is the WS MVP? This has not been good.
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2:50p, 7/19/23
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Almost looks like we're having a hard time seeing the baseball
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:50p, 7/19/23
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Wow good catch. I was thinking 1.5 years.

Cease was runner-up for the Cy. I am not sure that perception is correct.

I don't think it gets done without Gilbert.


I agree that Cease is up there, which is why I said perception. Castillo was framed as an ace on tye block last year, whereas most think of Cease as a more of a 2 with ace stuff.

I am not saying I agree, just that Castillo was the must have ace on last year's block.
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2:51p, 7/19/23
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Peña is in a real life sophomore slump.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:52p, 7/19/23
texasaggie2015 said:
The report said that Cease was Houston's dream acquisition. It didn't really say the White Sox were shopping him. Just something to keep in mind when we discuss all this.

Edit to add: I know there's been multiple conversations. It very well could be one of those things where we want to see what it would take in case the Sox actually decide they want to sell off some of their guys. We'll see. It's a fun time of year.
Gotcha. Yeah, haven't read much, honestly. Just assumed some kernel of truth to it.
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