***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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Pitching staff is so bad

Can't blame DeRosa...he's playing the cards he was dealt.
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Daniel Bard:
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There's bad outings, and then there's this
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Farmer1906 said:

Beau Holder said:

Thanks to every decent American pitcher who couldn't agree to toss an inning every couple days.


I kind of like this take.
Yep. Maybe if our players had as much national pride as these other countries Altuve would have just walked back to the dugout on a flyball out.
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If this shows me anything it's that it doesn't matter how good a lineup you have if your pitching is sub par you will lose.

This is why you all see me harp on more pitching every single year because you can never have enough good pitchers.
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
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Mike trout built the team. True to angels form, he forgot the pitching
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Farmer1906 said:

Beau Holder said:

Thanks to every decent American pitcher who couldn't agree to toss an inning every couple days.


I kind of like this take.


Degrom, JV, Cole, Scherzer. To name a few.
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f*** Team USA
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Pretty much. Not even just for Altuve's sake though. I love the WBC, I think it's good for the sport, and this iteration has been fantastic. It's frustrating to watch the US be the only nation who can't commit, when the rest of the world is absolutely rabid about it. To see that meltdown because a few pitchers didn't care to don Stars and Stripes when Shohei is out there throwing 102 for Japan and Alcantara pitched for the DR is just pathetic.

Just makes it particularly worse when someone like Bard is out there nailing our All-Star on the hands.
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So admittedly I haven't been paying much attention but why are field players participating but pitchers not? I know Framber declined his national team and what he said. But why the lack of pitching on the US team?
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Feels weird AF rooting for Schwarber against LuAce
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Depending how the offense goes, Tucker has at least one chance to hit for the cycle. He also has a chance to tie and maybe break the record for hits in a single game for Team USA.
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This atmosphere is electric. Relievers who have not seen this kind of action should not be in this winner take all game. Battle-tested guys should. Look at Luis. He's been there. Adam did a good job minimizing the damage.

As far as Altuve goes, it could have happened in a spring training game with a minor leaguer on the mound. If he broke his hand, we would likely see him back in June.
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because they're cowards
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Garcia dealing!
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cone said:

because they're cowards
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agproducer said:

This atmosphere is electric. Relievers who have not seen this kind of action should not be in this winner take all game. Battle-tested guys should. Look at Luis. He's been there. Adam did a good job minimizing the damage.

As far as Altuve goes, it could have happened in a spring training game with a minor leaguer on the mound. If he broke his hand, we would likely see him back in June.
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Wabs said:

Feels weird AF rooting for Schwarber against LuAce
Funny, I thought it felt weird to root against team USA with LuACE on the mound.
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You think the best players team USA could offer would mean he's safer (more control) vs what he sees in ST (guys trying stuff and lower level arms).
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Have they considered doing the WBC with AAA or college players? This way they gain valuable experience on a bigger stage and that P:ros get to stay healthy and prepare for their season properly?
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I think it's just a matter of it takes a lot more time for pitchers to ramp up to where they want to be and it's a lot higher risk of injury to push that schedule whereas hitters there's less ramp up and if not you're just gonna look bad as opposed to blowing your arm out.
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Farmer1906 said:

You think the best players team USA could offer would mean he's safer (more control) vs what he sees in ST (guys trying stuff and lower level arms).


You would think that, but in that type of atmosphere, a reliever that hasn't experienced it, is likely too amped up and starts overthrowing. That leads to loss of control.
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I take the argument but then why did the following pitchers play, play well, and play passionately?

Ohtani
Alcantara
Darvish
Diaz
Perez
Garcia
Urias
Urquidy
et al

And you know Hendriks would've been out there for the Aussies if he could. Seems to be uniquely American pitchers who are too weak to "ramp up."
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redline248 said:

Wabs said:

Feels weird AF rooting for Schwarber against LuAce
Funny, I thought it felt weird to root against team USA with LuACE on the mound.


I thought I was rooting for team USA, but the heart wants what the heart wants. When he struck out Turner I fist pumped.
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Good Lord Suarez is a K machine
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Farmer1906 said:

redline248 said:

Wabs said:

Feels weird AF rooting for Schwarber against LuAce
Funny, I thought it felt weird to root against team USA with LuACE on the mound.


I thought I was rooting for team USA, but the heart wants what the heart wants. When he struck out Turner I fist pumped.


Same
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Arenado is so damn good at 3B
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I know he's not ready yet but I'd like to see Leon take a shot there if this is an extended issue.

F*CK!


How satisfying would it be if came up and just did the damn thing. Just another bullet being fired from the magazine that just doesn't end.
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Well look at who they play for. How many of those guys are playing for a WS contender.

Also these international players are a lot more passionate to play for their country than the Americans.

Plus guys like Cole, JV, Max, Kershaw are all a bit older. They can't take the extra high leverage innings like Luis, Urquidy, Urias, etc can.

Again...I get it for pitchers.
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Well just to answer your question, Urias, Garcia, and Urquidy, to start.
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Cole isn't that old, is he? I am not that in the loop, but I imagine there are some guys in their 20s that are studs already.
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Geez almost hit Tuck
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**** that ump
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