***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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BeowulfShaeffer said:

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Fairly hilarious This Day in Astros History for March 14

1991 - It's March Madness time and the most popular guy at the Astros camp is rookie Kenny Lofton. During his years at the University of Arizona, Lofton was known more as a guard for the highly-ranked Wildcat basketball team than as a speedy center fielder. Lofton becomes the resident expert in tournament betting pools.
It's a great thing we got Eddie Taubensee in exchange for that Lofton dude. BTW, did Lofton's career ever amount to anything?
That 1-2 punch of that trade and giving up on Bobby Abreu to develop James Mouton really makes you wonder what the mid to late 90s Astros could have been.
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In such a small sample size, I am more concerned how you're hitting it vs did you get hits. Diaz had a 110 MPH screamer right at someone. That does down 0-1, but if he's regularly smashing the ball, I'll take that over the long haul. He led SL in EV and EV on flyballs and line drives.
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wangus12 said:

I don't think he's even a Braves fan. His SIL is a journeyman player who was with the organization just for that year. But I was definitely sitting there wondering how someone could be that naive about the sport. Doesn't bug me, but I find it hilarious that we really are this Big Bad in baseball for simply whooping up on popular media markets.

I'm sure his SIL will enjoy being on a team that doesn't break .500 again this year.
Did you congratulate him on his daughter successfully chasing cleats?
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The Porkchop Express said:

BeowulfShaeffer said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Fairly hilarious This Day in Astros History for March 14

1991 - It's March Madness time and the most popular guy at the Astros camp is rookie Kenny Lofton. During his years at the University of Arizona, Lofton was known more as a guard for the highly-ranked Wildcat basketball team than as a speedy center fielder. Lofton becomes the resident expert in tournament betting pools.
It's a great thing we got Eddie Taubensee in exchange for that Lofton dude. BTW, did Lofton's career ever amount to anything?
That 1-2 punch of that trade and giving up on Bobby Abreu to develop James Mouton really makes you wonder what the mid to late 90s Astros could have been.
A more formidable opponent to the Braves, for sure.
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Behind a paywall. What does that do to MLB's pursuit of streaming games without blackouts?
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redline248 said:

wangus12 said:

I don't think he's even a Braves fan. His SIL is a journeyman player who was with the organization just for that year. But I was definitely sitting there wondering how someone could be that naive about the sport. Doesn't bug me, but I find it hilarious that we really are this Big Bad in baseball for simply whooping up on popular media markets.

I'm sure his SIL will enjoy being on a team that doesn't break .500 again this year.
Did you congratulate him on his daughter successfully chasing cleats?
I really wanted to know who sucked off his SIL more, his daughter or him
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Quote:

"Streaming economics are negative margin economics, which is a fancy way of saying that for every dollar you spend, you lose a buck 50," said Patrick Crakes, a former executive with Fox Sports. "And it keeps getting worse, not better.

"The Astros, for example, can't go direct to consumer (streaming) because they won't ever make as much money as they're making from the current system. Even if you went through bankruptcy and the judge said to the MLB teams, you've got to take a 20 percent cut and stay in the system, or you can leave, they wouldn't leave because they can't make any money on (streaming) and they need the rights fees or they can't make payroll."
Doesn't look like we'll see a la carte Astros streaming anytime soon, especially where "The Houston teams ... have distribution contracts for their games through 2032 with Comcast, AT&T and DirecTV."

Also, my brother in law is a bankruptcy attorney and represented the MLB as an interested third-party, during the bankruptcy dispute between the Astros and Comcast back in 2013. During one of the hearings, he and Jim Crane watched the World Series on his laptop and Crane was telling him how great the Astros were going to be after the rebuild and how special things were happening with the organization.
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OKCAg2002 said:

Behind a paywall. What does that do to MLB's pursuit of streaming games without blackouts?


12 foot ladder is your friend.
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I thought the choice was Abreu vs Hidalgo?
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Tags projecting Dirden to make the opening day roster. I guess maybe this is going to be a thing.

https://www.mlb.com/news/astros-2023-opening-day-roster?partnerID=mlbapp-iOS_article-share
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Who gets DFA'd
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Someone currently on the 40 man
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Who gets DFA'd


Jake Meyers

Toronto has a waiver claim waiting for him already.
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Can guarantee that won't happen lol
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I just booked a trip to Boston to watch the Astros and Sox series at Fenway in late August. Mrs. Marvin is excited. Scratch another one off the baseball bucket list.
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Marvin said:

I just booked a trip to Boston to watch the Astros and Sox series at Fenway in late August. Mrs. Marvin is excited. Scratch another one off the baseball bucket list.
I'm stoked for you. It's a portal to another time.
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Teddy Perkins said:

Marvin said:

I just booked a trip to Boston to watch the Astros and Sox series at Fenway in late August. Mrs. Marvin is excited. Scratch another one off the baseball bucket list.
I'm stoked for you. It's a portal to another time.
Amen, brother! Took a trip in 1999 to see Cooperstown and 2 games at Fenway in one great 5-day stretch. I liken it to being in Times Square, you've seen it so many times on TV / in the movies, it's almost impossible to feel like you're actually there. That and Wrigley should be mandatory attendance for every baseball fan at some point.

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Fenway is amazing. Just make sure you're not sitting behind a column on the first level. We made that mistake once and couldn't see the pitcher.

That said, my favorite ballpark outside of MMP
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spadilly said:

Fenway is amazing. Just make sure you're not sitting behind a column on the first level. We made that mistake once and couldn't see the pitcher.

That said, my favorite ballpark outside of MMP


Good tip, thanks!
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Hit up Fenway for 2 out of 3 back in 2018 when the Texans were at Foxboro the same weekend. Was an awesome weekend for a Houston sports fan. Friday night game we sat right behind Julia on the 3rd base line.
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Hopefully the Space Cowboys will play a clean game against the Braves.
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15 little days until Opening Day gets us to the well-traveled #15 on our list



Original Colt 45 and future Astros manager Bob Lillis wore it from 1962-1967. And holy ****, he's still alive! 92 years old, born in 1930 and drafted by the Dodgers but couldn't get to the majors because he played shortstop and was stuck behind Pee Wee Reese and then Maury Wills. He was a utility infielder who was not a good hitter for the Astros, but came back to manage the team when Bill Virdon was fired late in the 1982 season, and led the squad from 1985-1985 with 2 winning records.



Pitcher Dave Roberts wore #15 from 1972-1975 and had one of the team's first really great seasons, going 17-11 with a 2.85 ERA and six shutouts in 1973.



By the late 1980s, it had found tself on the back of one-hit wonder Eric "Cool Breeze" Yelding. Cool Breeze stole 64 bases for the team in 1990, one shy of the team record set by Gerald Young a couple of years earlier. But he's most famous, and absolutely beloved in my heart, because he got thrown at by Rob Dibble during an Astros-Reds game and threw his batting helmet at him, despite Dibble probably outweighing him by 80 pounds; resulting in a brawl that had Astro coach Ed Ott get Dibble in a chokehold and give the most legendary quote in Astros' history "I watched him turn red. I watched him turn purple. I watched him turn blue. Then I let him up. Maybe now he'll value life . . . I could have given him another 45 seconds and watched him turn black, but I let him go."





After buying the team in the summer of 1992, Drayton McLane brought in arguably the Astros' biggest free agent signing since Nolan Ryan, #15 Doug Drabek who pitched in Houston from 1993-1996, ironically never making it to the playoffs. He went a terrible 9-18 his first year, then was 12-6 with a 2.84 in the strike season, but never lived up to the hype.



Richard Hidalgo wore #15 from 1997 to 2004. He had one massive year, 2000 at Enron Field, when he hit 44 homers, drove in 128, scored 118, and hit .314. but never approached any of those numbers again, and managed to get shot in the arm one off-season back home in Venezuela.



Carlos Beltran wore it after the great trade in 2004 and again in 2017, with Jason Castro donning it into the intermediary. In 2018 and again in 2020 to the present it has belonged to the Machete himself, Martin Maldonado alternately hated and rejoiced on TexAgs despite being one of the most consistent hitters (pencil him in for .180-.200 every year).
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The Porkchop Express said:

Teddy Perkins said:

Marvin said:

I just booked a trip to Boston to watch the Astros and Sox series at Fenway in late August. Mrs. Marvin is excited. Scratch another one off the baseball bucket list.
I'm stoked for you. It's a portal to another time.
Amen, brother! Took a trip in 1999 to see Cooperstown and 2 games at Fenway in one great 5-day stretch. I liken it to being in Times Square, you've seen it so many times on TV / in the movies, it's almost impossible to feel like you're actually there. That and Wrigley should be mandatory attendance for every baseball fan at some point.

This is something I really want to do...
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ChAg1799 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Teddy Perkins said:

Marvin said:

I just booked a trip to Boston to watch the Astros and Sox series at Fenway in late August. Mrs. Marvin is excited. Scratch another one off the baseball bucket list.
I'm stoked for you. It's a portal to another time.
Amen, brother! Took a trip in 1999 to see Cooperstown and 2 games at Fenway in one great 5-day stretch. I liken it to being in Times Square, you've seen it so many times on TV / in the movies, it's almost impossible to feel like you're actually there. That and Wrigley should be mandatory attendance for every baseball fan at some point.

This is something I really want to do...
In 1999, me and two buddies from A&M flew to Hartford, CT - spent the afternoon at the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA. We drove to Albany and stayed over night, then drove to Cooperstown the next day. We were at the museum from the minute it opened until the minute it closed and went to all the shops after that. Next day drove to Boston and did the touristy tour. Went to Fenway on a Friday night to see them beat the Mariners when they had Griffey Jr. A-Rod, Edgar Martinez and Buhner, and the Sox had No-mahhhh.

WEnt back the next day. Pedro was supposed to start for the Sox but he was scratched from the start because he was late getting to the ballpark. We were pretty salty, but he came in to start the fifth inning and pitched 4 innings of relief to get the win anyway.

The all-time joke among the 3 of us was that we had gotten to Boston, ditched the Rent-a-car in a parking garage and eitehr walked or taken the subway every where for the next 3 days. When it was time to drive back to Springfield to fly home that SUnday, none of us remembered where we had parked in the garage or even what the car looked like. Took about 40 minutes to find it.
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OKCAg2002 said:

Hopefully the Space Cowboys will play a clean game against the Braves.
funny. When I first saw that I looked at the Braves line-up by mistake and said to myself that I didn't know any of these guys...then I realized I was looking at the Braves. Glanced at the Astros - same result.
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That's pretty cold, but you don't keep the dynasty going by paying for nostalgia.
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Harry Dunne said:

That's pretty cold, but you don't keep the dynasty going by paying for nostalgia.


Yup. You pay for what you're going to get, not what they did. We all better remember that when it comes time for Altuve's next deal. Hopefully, he remembers too.
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Harry Dunne said:

That's pretty cold, but you don't keep the dynasty going by paying for nostalgia.
Yup, that's how the Tigers wind up paying Cabrera $38 million a year to hit .240 with 13 home runs.
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If Dirden makes the team, seriously, who does get DFA'd to get him on the 40-man?

I'd cut bait with Madris.

Also, what do the Astros see in Bielak? He's like a AAAA guy -- decent at Triple-A with no results in the bigs.
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He's our only internal SP depth with actual big league innings, outside of Blanco/Abreu moving from the bullpen. No way they cut Bielak.
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