That's what a good front office would do

thanks

TK is on the radio with Ford

Farmer1906 said:

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Angels should have burned it to the ground last year when they realized they couldn't make it happen.

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It may sound ridiculous, but they should unload Trout, Ohtani, & make someone take Rendon. And while you're at it, trade Iglesias. They have no shot of winning. Their nonexistent window is closing. After 2023 it's no Ohtani and their highest-paid players will be 32 and 34 with 361 M still owed to those 2 alone. Get out of it now. The prospect haul from those 3 with Rendon as a negative would be enough to kickstart rebuild. Lose 100 games in 23 and 24 then start trying to win in 2025/26. That is when you should start opening up the pocket book again.

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That was never happening while Arte was trying to sell the club. Devaluing the club player base would be like burning money.

Farmer1906 said:

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Angels should have burned it to the ground last year when they realized they couldn't make it happen.

From 7/22

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It may sound ridiculous, but they should unload Trout, Ohtani, & make someone take Rendon. And while you're at it, trade Iglesias. They have no shot of winning. Their nonexistent window is closing. After 2023 it's no Ohtani and their highest-paid players will be 32 and 34 with 361 M still owed to those 2 alone. Get out of it now. The prospect haul from those 3 with Rendon as a negative would be enough to kickstart rebuild. Lose 100 games in 23 and 24 then start trying to win in 2025/26. That is when you should start opening up the pocket book again.

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If the Angels trade Ohtani at the deadline (which they should), what do you think it would take to get him prospect-wise as a 3 month rental?

I don't think there's much chance the Astros will be serious bidders. I'd love to have his arm, but his presence at DH 4/5 days means Yordan to LF and Brantley becomes the best pinch hitter in baseball history. Other teams will value his bat more than we do and be willing to give up much more than us.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Angels should have burned it to the ground last year when they realized they couldn't make it happen.

From 7/22

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It may sound ridiculous, but they should unload Trout, Ohtani, & make someone take Rendon. And while you're at it, trade Iglesias. They have no shot of winning. Their nonexistent window is closing. After 2023 it's no Ohtani and their highest-paid players will be 32 and 34 with 361 M still owed to those 2 alone. Get out of it now. The prospect haul from those 3 with Rendon as a negative would be enough to kickstart rebuild. Lose 100 games in 23 and 24 then start trying to win in 2025/26. That is when you should start opening up the pocket book again.

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If the Angels trade Ohtani at the deadline (which they should), what do you think it would take to get him prospect-wise as a 3 month rental?

I don't think there's much chance the Astros will be serious bidders. I'd love to have his arm, but his presence at DH 4/5 days means Yordan to LF and Brantley becomes the best pinch hitter in baseball history. Other teams will value his bat more than we do and be willing to give up much more than us.

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This isn't a unique thought from me, but I think LA, SD, or NY will trade for Ohtani in order to convince him to sign with them, possibly, before he even hits the open market. I think the push to win a title in 2023 as well as an early shot to sign him will still mean major prospects going LAA's way. If they did it in 2022, it would have been huge like the Soto deal even with a year less of control.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Angels should have burned it to the ground last year when they realized they couldn't make it happen.

From 7/22

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It may sound ridiculous, but they should unload Trout, Ohtani, & make someone take Rendon. And while you're at it, trade Iglesias. They have no shot of winning. Their nonexistent window is closing. After 2023 it's no Ohtani and their highest-paid players will be 32 and 34 with 361 M still owed to those 2 alone. Get out of it now. The prospect haul from those 3 with Rendon as a negative would be enough to kickstart rebuild. Lose 100 games in 23 and 24 then start trying to win in 2025/26. That is when you should start opening up the pocket book again.

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That was never happening while Arte was trying to sell the club. Devaluing the club player base would be like burning money.

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Sure, and he ended up not getting the offer he wanted or having a change of heart.

Farmer1906 said:

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This isn't a unique thought from me, but I think LA, SD, or NY will trade for Ohtani in order to convince him to sign with them, possibly, before he even hits the open market. I think the push to win a title in 2023 as well as an early shot to sign him will still mean major prospects going LAA's way. If they did it in 2022, it would have been huge like the Soto deal even with a year less of control.

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Yea, they'll still get something nice, but it was a huge missed opportunity to lure in a mega-haul.

The true Angels/Arte Moreno outcome with Ohtani would be if they're like six games back of the second wild spot at the deadline and hang onto Ohtani so they can make a run. Then fade down the stretch, miss the playoffs by 10+ games and lose him for nothing.

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You're spot on on 1 and 2 but i don't agree on 3

You can play HR derby in the street with 2 people, a whiffle ball, and plastic bat. Hell Altuve learned to play with a broom handle and a bottle cap.

But very few kids nowadays wanna play HR derby in the street acting like they're Yordan Alvarez or Mike Trout or Jose Ramirez because like you said MLB is awful at marketing their players. So it goes back to 1 and 2.

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My kids love baseball and we're Astros fans but as much as they love baseball they'd struggle to name more than a dozen other players throughout MLB who aren't Astros.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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He's a better version of Jeff Bagwell.

449 career homers, and damn near none of them came when the game was in +/- 2 runs, or at critical spots in playoff games. Zero clutchness to his game.

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Hold on. Let's not sully Bagwell's name for a misleading stat. Bagwell was a much better HR hitter in low leverage, sure. But that doesn't mean he sucked in the clutch during the regular season.

High Lev: .306 / .426 / .556
Med Lev: .302 / .406 / .537
Low Lev .288 / .400 / .536

If you prefer close games only

Tie game: .286 / .416 / .506
Within 1: .297 / .419 / .525
Within 2: .295 / .413 / .525

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Now do the playoffs. Biggio & Bagwell both stunk so bad every playoff series in the 90s. As they got older they got a little better, but it was atrocious in the 90s.

Not a good sign from old man Waino.

I'm watching the Phiilies and Red Sox on mlb.com and the announcers are saying not only that they like the new pace but the players they've been talking to like it as well. They said there was a game played somewhere yesterday (didn't catch the location) and there was no pitch clock but the game was still played in two and a half hours because they said the players are already adapting to the new pace.

They said they heard Aaron Boone tell the Yankees that this will let them get back to the bus 30 minutes earlier, and keep them off their feet 30 more minutes. They just interviewed Alec Bohm and he said that "if we get it right it will be a good thing". Christian Arroyo of the Sox said he struggled his first 8 or 9 at bats but he's adjusting now.

For me, I'm having withdrawls from not getting to watch batters adjust their gloves after every pitch, but I think I'll be ok too.

It was the yankees who played a game on tuesday I believe without the clock and finished in that time

Lee

Looks like the next tv broadcast is next Wednesday against Venezuela, then the two against Sugar Land at the end of the month.

https://www.mlb.com/astros/schedule

TarponChaser said:

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Ag_07 said:

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You're spot on on 1 and 2 but i don't agree on 3

You can play HR derby in the street with 2 people, a whiffle ball, and plastic bat. Hell Altuve learned to play with a broom handle and a bottle cap.

But very few kids nowadays wanna play HR derby in the street acting like they're Yordan Alvarez or Mike Trout or Jose Ramirez because like you said MLB is awful at marketing their players. So it goes back to 1 and 2.

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My kids love baseball and we're Astros fans but as much as they love baseball they'd struggle to name more than a dozen other players throughout MLB who aren't Astros.

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My son could. But not from watching games. He likes playing the Show and he likes watching baseball videos on YouTube kids.

I really like what I've seen from Will Wagner so far. Love his versatility and think he'll stick in the big leagues for a while as a utility guy. I think Adam Kennedy is a good comp. Lefty bat, can play second and third. Not a stud by any means but a valuable guy to have on your club.

I really hope we get Springer back at some point in his career. He and Tuve will always be my favorite two Astros of the this era.

Here is the full George story -- about 10 minutes long.

Got a little misty.

"I just saw a kid that I was... I had been in that position and knew, felt and understood exactly everything he was going through." - George Springer

The story of Mateo Sanchez and the @BlueJays star, as told by @castrovince. pic.twitter.com/XdyF70E2P2

— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) March 2, 2023

I'm sticking with my prediction that George will be back with the Astros for the final year (2026) or year-and-a-half (2025 & 2026) of his contract.

especially if negotiations don't go well with Tucker...and if Bichette / Vlad Jr. leave Toronto