***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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Farmer1906 said:

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After a few days of the pitch clock, here are my thoughts.

  • Ultimately, I think it's a good thing. The pace will be better which will make the watching experience better.
  • We lose some gamesmanship with guys calling time, controlling pace, etc.
  • It's going to hurt innovative teams initially. You're not going to be able to get the info in time for the shift, pitch tendencies, etc.
  • Innovative teams will figure out ways to overcome it.
  • I think the rule will be modified long term. Maybe it's 16 seconds, not 15. Maybe it's different for the 9th inning or postseason. I think baseball will keep it for a year and then adjust it based on feedback.
  • Stolen bases will jump. It probably won't be like the 80s, but it'll go up. And this isn't solely from the clock/pick-off rules. Larger bags helps too.


It seems rushed sometimes. I've watched four games so far (2 Astros and 2 others) and I feel like more than a few pitchers and batters would have stepped out to take a breath and settle themselves. Not sure I like that part. Every batter should be able to call time once an at bat, and same with the pitcher.


Keep in mind this is the first time for most of these guys after doing it a certain way for years. I think they'll be able to adjust. And the batter is allowed one timeout and the pitcher can step off twice. If they step off a third time they have to get the runner. So we're good there.


I like the new pace, just not a fan of the punishment if you don't pitch or get in the box on-time. I wish you would get a warning and then after that it's a ball/strike or whatever.

I also think they changed too many rules at once.
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I hope the pitch clock doesn't mess with Altuve too much. He's and in and out timeout guy. He had 3ks today
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Farmer1906 said:



How much revenue are teams losing on concessions by cutting the game down?


Cost of beer will go up… duh
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Stick to the club level and not have to worry about it.
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Would love to know the average pitches per plate appearance in Spring training so far

Feel like there are a lot of quick at bats, not by time, but by number of pitches
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I suspect that's part of what's happening
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32 days until Astros Opening Day brings us to #32 on our jersey countdown.

Only one man wore #32 in a Houston baseball jersey, and that's they way it will always be. A tragic story that largely unfolded 60 years ago.


JIm Umbricht was a late bloomer in baseball parlance. He was an all-SEC shortstop at Georgia in 1951 and briefly played in the low minors for Milwaukee but served 2 seasons in the US Army, then went on to play in several other very low pro leagues. He didn't even make it to Double A ball until 1958, and debuted in the majors with the Pittsburgh Pirates at age 28 in 1959. He pitched just 19 games in three years and was left unprotected for the 1961 expansion draft, where the Colt .45s snatched him up.

He was a ray of sunshine in 1962, going 4-0 out of the bullpen with a 2.01 ERA and 55 strikeouts in 67 innings. At the beginning of spring training 1963, Umbricht noticed a small mole on his right leg while playing golf with Houston GM Paul Richards. He ignored it until it got too big to ignore and when he got it checked out by a doctor, it was found to be cancer that had spread to his groin already.

He had surgery quickly, on March 7, 1963 and spent a month in the hospital, with both Umbricht and his doctors claiming he had beat cancer. That was a lie. The doctors didn't know if they had gotten the whole tumor. They told him his chances of survival were slim. Umbricht didn't tell the 45s and wanted to keep pitching, understanding that his days of health were going to drop rapidly.

He came back to the Colts on May 9 and was shelled by the Reds. In his next game out, he pitched 2 innings of relief and earned the win vs. the Cubs. He was somehow able to pitch 35 games that year, compiling a 2.61 ERA and a 4-3 record.

On the last day of the regular season, September 29, 1963, the 65-96 Colts hosted the 51-110 Mets at Colt Stadium in front of 3,899 people. The Mets shelled Chris Zachary for 4 runs in 3-1/3 innings to get up 4-2 and Umbricht entered the game in the top of the 4th, getting out of a jam. In the bottom of the 4th, the 45s erupted for 5 runs on 7 hits to go up 7-4. By virtue of getting 2 outs in the top of the inning and being the pitcher of record when the Astros took the lead, Umbricht was awarded the victory in his final game as a pro.

After the season, it was revealed that he had required up to 100 stitches in his leg while pitching because blood was seeping out of the scar fro his surgery, and that he was often sedated to deal with the pain. In November 1963, x-rays found that the cancer had spread to his chest and was going to be fatal. The team signed him to a scout contract so they could continue to pay him.

Umbricht died on April 8, 1964, 5 days before the start of the Astros season. His pallbearers included manager Harry Craft and teammates including Bob Lillis, Turk Farrell, and Ken Johnson, who had been Umbricht's roommate. Construction on the Dome had begun by then, and after the funeral, Umbricht's brother flew a plane over the Dome's construction sight and scattered his ashes there.

The team wore black armbands for the entire 1964 season and retired his #32 jersey immediately. That wasn't much of a thing back then, it was only the 12th number ever retired by a baseball team. On April 13, 1964, the Colts started their season against the powerful Cincinnati Reds. Johnson drew the start, dedicated the game to his fallen roommate, and went out and destroyed the Reds, giving up just 5 hits in 8-1/3 innings of a 6-3 victory.

Umbricht's shocking death did wonders for melanoma awareness in the US, and has a remarkably personal connection to all of us. In 1965, a talented linebacker for the Los Angeles Rams noticed a mole on his left arm that seemed similar to the one he had read in a newspaper article about Umbricht. He had it checked out and doctors found it was indeed malignant melanoma that had already spread to other parts of his body. Fortunately, it was caught in enough time to root it out and let him continue playing a year later. His name was Jack Pardee, Junction Boy and Class of '56.



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I have tix to Padres opening day that includes food and premium beer through the 6th inning. Now realizing I'm going to have to eat and drink a whole lot faster
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I like the pitch clock for the sake of pace of play and not waiting a minute 30 for the next pitch… but I also don't mind spending 3-4 hours at the ballpark.

I'd imagine as the rule gets enforced consistently it'll just feel normal by June.
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07ag said:

All I do is Nguyen said:

For some perspective





After posting my video, then watching that clip, I think the pitch clock will be good for the game overall. Maybe they extend it by 5 seconds or something but yeah waiting between 2-3 minutes for a pitch is pretty crazy.

Maybe they get rid of it for the playoffs? who knows
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Interesting that breggy hasn't played yet.
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We'll be there Thursday and Friday. Hoping to get a nice pitching debut from Framber or Javier.
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Good post. Can't believe I've never heard the full story about Umbricht.
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My problem is just being a bit too quick and the limits on the batter.

Yes I know it's longer with runners on Farmer…

But maybe something like 20 seconds regular, 24seconds with runners on. And some way for a pitcher to occasionally be allowed to step of and collect himself. But that not be abused

The batter just has to be in the box at 10 sec and if the pitch is thrown too damn bad pay attention next time.
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All I do is Nguyen said:

For some perspective


THIS is why the rules HAD to be changed and the pitch clock initiated.... This is absolutely ridiculous, and as a huge fan of baseball, even I see that this "gamesmanship" is simply a stalling tactic by a pitcher who absolutely does not feel comfortable.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Interesting that breggy hasn't played yet.
He is holding out for a trade. He reads Texags too
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What a great, heartbreaking story about Jim Umbricht, with an Aggie connection. Who knew the Astrodome contains his ashes?

And a good reminder to all of us. Don't ignore ugly looking skin growths. I had to get one removed just last month.
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40 HR season incoming
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Ag_07 said:

Stick to the club level and not have to worry about it.
I've never paid attention to it, but does club level sell beer the entire game?
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Farmer1906 said:

Could be a pretty big blow to LA. How many times have we've seen a non contact injury = ACL tear?



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Feb. 28: ESPN's Buster Olney reports that Lux is expected to miss significant time following yesterday's injury, with one source simply telling him: "It is bad."
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/gavin-lux-headed-for-mri-after-knee-injury.html
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tjack16 said:

I like the pitch clock for the sake of pace of play and not waiting a minute 30 for the next pitch… but I also don't mind spending 3-4 hours at the ballpark.

I'd imagine as the rule gets enforced consistently it'll just feel normal by June.
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I'm almost sure you are right.

If you can spare a few minutes watch this clip of Bob Gibson getting shelled (unbelievably) by the Tigers in the 1968 World Series. This series was literally my awakening as a baseball fan. This is what a baseball game looked like when I grew up learning to love the game. And this is why I'm having a hard time understanding why people who think the new rules are a bad thing are somehow threatening the sanctity of baseball. I wish we didn't need them. And I bet/hope in a few months no one will be talking about them anymore.
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Farmer1906
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More injuries across the league.



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The two situations are completely different. One is postseason where pressure is high and I expect gamesmanship to be at a higher level.

However, I will say I do think post season ABs should be shorter than that example. I bet most are and of course they are showing the hyperbole.

I hope it's more of a 25 clock in the postseason since I know they're going to use it.
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That's my CF.

Jk, but maybe.
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https://apollohou.com/2023/02/21/houston-astros-top-prospects-preview-2023/

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#22. Justin Dirden (25, OF, AAA, ETA: 2023)
Hit: 40/50, Power: 45/45, Run: 40/40, Field: 40/45, Arm: 55.

Dirden, a standout UDFA signing after the shortened 2020 draft, posted impressive production across every minor league stop until a brief stall-out in AAA at the tail end of 2022. He's got a little bit of a caveman appearance at the plate, but does display a knack for moving his barrel around the zone through his unorthodox, stabby swing and an advanced understanding on which pitches he can do damage on. Dirden creates a lot of loft when his bat head gets out front, and knows when to flip a competitive offering the other way. Similarly to Colin Barber, he makes up for mediocre exit velocity readings (86 MPH AVG EV) by pulling a ton of fly balls, which his swing is geared to generate. His game power is maximized, as Dirden can and does put his hardest contact in the air, but I'm not sold that the raw power is anything above a 50 considering a max EV below the MLB average 108 MPH (in the data I have access to). He's 25 and relegated to a corner outfield spot, so Dirden's upside as a defensively limited strong-side platoon option if he can make up for not hitting the ball that hard overall is reflected in his ranking here. Yell at me about the statline production if you must.


Reminds me of: Corey Dickerson


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His strikeout numbers in the minors are pretty ugly. 134 in 477 at bats last year.
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https://www.mlb.com/astros/tickets/promotions/2023
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What time should we get to the ballpark before a ST game to see them in the batting cages or working out on the practice fields?
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AustinCountyAg said:

Ag_07 said:

Stick to the club level and not have to worry about it.
I've never paid attention to it, but does club level sell beer the entire game?


Yup. All game
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Opening day tix secured - I will be in 235 with a cold beer in 30 days
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