***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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AustinCountyAg said:

Blaming manfred and baseballs for his struggles is one helluva stretch
Power numbers down across the league and his normalized and park-adjusted stats were better compared to the rest of the league in 2022 than in 2021. It's just a fact.

I love you idiots sometimes. I'm not even saying he is the long-term answer. But he's cheap and controllable and is an above league average hitter and plus defender at the ass-end of our lineup. Not everyone in your lineup is going to OPS over 800.
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If true, I can't believe we came that close to disaster and becoming a laughingstock for hiring a perpetual failure.
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End of the day, it just proves we have a fantastic owner in Crane who continues to make the right decisions.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


If true, I can't believe we came that close to disaster and becoming a laughingstock for hiring a perpetual failure.


Love Bags, but please keep his raggedy chin in the booth and away from the front office.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


If true, I can't believe we came that close to disaster and becoming a laughingstock for hiring a perpetual failure.


Or Crane just said it was very close to Schwab or the person Schwab spoke to in order to mollify Bagwell. Crane clearly enjoys the relationship with Bags.

No way to know for sure, but there's no downside to saying it was close even if it wasn't.
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very close sounds like they were after Brown the whole time and gave Ausmus a token interview so Bagwell would STFU
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Agreed, but not like it should have been a hard decision. A lobotomized donkey could have seen what the right choice was there.
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EastCoastAgNc said:


If true, I can't believe we came that close to disaster and becoming a laughingstock for hiring a perpetual failure.


Does anyone else not care if the GM answers question straight forward to the fans, especially at the trade deadline?

I only care about the moves.

I actually think in the case of Chas, they should stay quite. I'm with Farmer - they disrespect the hell out of Chas, and they're doing it pretty openly, which I think is a little crappy.
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Buck Compton said:

AustinCountyAg said:

Blaming manfred and baseballs for his struggles is one helluva stretch
Power numbers down across the league and his normalized and park-adjusted stats were better compared to the rest of the league in 2022 than in 2021. It's just a fact.

I love you idiots sometimes. I'm not even saying he is the long-term answer. But he's cheap and controllable and is an above league average hitter and plus defender at the ass-end of our lineup. Not everyone in your lineup is going to OPS over 800.


Ops 2021 - 107
Ops 2022 - 110

Easy to say he was better last year

Cheap and above average player

You can't have MVPs at every position
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Keep Bagwell in the room as you always need a guy not afraid to voice a dissenting opinion. The last thing Crane needs are a bunch of yes men (not implying Dana is one at all either) but I like the idea of keeping a counterpoint in discussions.

Who knows about Brad, maybe he's a hell of an interviewer...he's certainly intelligent.
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What's he gunna do? Not show up? Cry about it? I like Maldy but that's a **** attitude especially for someone who isn't even an avg hitter.
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Farmer1906 said:

What's he gunna do? Not show up? Cry about it? I like Maldy but that's a **** attitude especially for someone who isn't even an avg hitter.
Yeah, I get it, everyone has an ego and he wants to continue being the starter and feel like the team wants him.

But ffs, be a better hitter
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Farmer1906 said:

What's he gunna do? Not show up? Cry about it? I like Maldy but that's a **** attitude especially for someone who isn't even an avg hitter.

Without him, the pitching staff is not anywhere near what they were and we probably don't win the world series. Offense isn't everything
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Funny how Tucker's attitude makes you wish they had just given him the money while Maldy's makes you wish we had signed Contreras.
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42 days until Opening Day gives us a look at one of the most charismatic Astros of all time.

In April 1997, Satan Bud Selig proved that for at least 1 day, his heart was not 3 sizes too small by retiring Jackie Robinson's #42 for all teams in the majors. He then went back to carving up the bones of children to use as toothpicks.

That meant the last Astro to wear #42 was none other than the late, great Jose Lima, who wore it from 1997 to 2001 on some really fun Astros teams that remembered how to win and brought us 4 division titles in a 5-year stretch.

A proud native of Santiago, DR, Lima did very little in his 5 years with the Detroit Tigers, going 17-32. He was traded to the Astros to the Tigers in one of those 90s trades we did on occasion with Detroit or San Diego where we just seemed to trade everyone who was in the clubhouse at the time for whoever was in the other team's clubhouse. This particular deal in late 1996 got us Lima, Brad Ausmus, Trever Miller, CJ Nitkowski, and Daryle Ward for Todd Jones, Orlando Miller, Doug Brocail, Brian L. Hunter and everyone's favorite player, "Cash". Everybody but Ausmus and Lima went to the minors on our side of the trade. Ausmus hit .266 in 1997, the equivalent of any other catcher hitting .783 while LIma looked like crap, going 1-6 with a 5.28 ERA in 52 games.

I can only assume he spent most of the offseason praying to Little Baby Jesus because he went 16-8 with a .370 ERA in 1998 and 21-10 with a 3.58 ERA in 1999. He was emotional, cocky as hell, brash, and we ate it up. He was the club's first really big-time Hispanic star since Jose Cruz, but was a million miles away from the humble Cruz. His Taco Ole commercials were cheesy as hell but utterly fantastic to watch. He was an All-Star in 1999.

In 2000, the Astros moved from the cavernous Astrodome to Enron Field, which for the fly-ball pitching Lima, was the equivalent of Barney Gumbel going to work at the Duff Beer Factory. He had one of the worst seasons in MLB history, going 7-16 with a 6.65 ERA and allowing 48 home runs, 2 short of the MLB record of 50 set by Bert Blyleven. He gave up 3 or more home runs in 4 of his first 7 starts, including 5 to the Cubs in 5 innings.

In 2004 while with the Dodgers, he turned back the clock in remarkable fashion, pitching a complete game shutout of the Cardinals in the NLCS.

Lima died from complications of cardiac arrest in 2010. Long-time friend David Ortiz dedicated his 2010 Home Run Derby championship to Lima.





And an unexpectedly classy tribute from Jim Rome upon Lima's death.



And Vin Scully touching on his death in 2010.

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EastCoastAgNc said:

Farmer1906 said:

What's he gunna do? Not show up? Cry about it? I like Maldy but that's a **** attitude especially for someone who isn't even an avg hitter.

Without him, the pitching staff is not anywhere near what they were and we probably don't win the world series. Offense isn't everything
prove it
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Leaving aside Maldy, the whole arbitration process is unhealthy. It leaves the club in the position of badmouthing it's own player. They toss millions upon millions at FAs and turn around and tell their own player "you aren't worth an extra $500k or $1MM and these are the reasons why".
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You left out Cash's last name Considerations
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Clearly, it's not my money, but it's really curious to quibble over 2 million dollars for Tucker. Hopefully having a true GM in place can help smooth some of this over, but I'm doubtful he stays. Less doubtful than Carlos, but pretty doubtful still.
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Maybe Dana Brown challenging Drew Gilbert to earn a spot on the roster is actually talking about him replacing Tucker if he lives as a FA, not replacing Chas. Plus Brantley's got to retire at some point and we move Yordan to DH, that's 2 open OF spots.
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Maldy is all good in my book. He was standing and squatting hundreds of times per game while needing surgery on a hernia on top of another injury (I forget). He guided the pitching staff expertly. Within a week of winning the World Series his position is in jeopardy, which is why he made the tweet "how quickly they forget".

Dude is a huge part of this team and makes every pitcher better. We had arguably the best rotation in the bigs and 100% the best bullpen in all of mlb in recent memory. He helped get Javier to throw more strikes and stop nibbling, which has dramatically reduced his pitch count. None of that happens with merely a decent catcher.

I agree, he is a black hole, but a great hitting catcher may give you 70-80 runs a season and Maldy only gave us 45 RBI in 2022. I bet his dish work saves us 3 times the run differential of a great hitter. Remember when him and JV disagreed on the mound and had to bring out pitching coach? No other catcher in the league could do that and still have the respect of JV.

Man has my full respect
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didn't Brian McCann do that for the 2017 pitching staff also?

and threw in a .759 OPS as well
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Lima time was great. He caught a lot of flak for show boating. I was carpooling with a Cubs fan at the time who hated him for it. But he wouldn't even be noticed today would he?
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McInnis said:

Lima time was great. He caught a lot of flak for show boating. I was carpooling with a Cubs fan at the time who hated him for it. But he wouldn't even be noticed today would he?


Imagine Lima pitching to Soto in today's game. That would be must see TV
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