***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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The fact that they're still talking about this is the sad part. I thought the Athletic was going belly up?

Yankee fans, Joe Kelly, and the Athletic are the only people who are still talking about this.
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Ag_07 said:

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The fact that they're still talking about this is the sad part. I thought the Athletic was going belly up?


NY Times bought them.
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Well fck
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The sanctimony and unbridled hypocrisy is what grinds my gears. Every damn team was doing something similar and crickets over it. Fck them all.
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I was already going to let my subscription run out in a couple of months, but I went ahead and deleted my account after seeing that this morning. Beating a dead horse was bad to start with. Running a victory lap for reporting it (without giving Fiers a book co-author credit) just tears it.
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If my math is right we only have 15/162 starting after 8pm ct. Not too bad.
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Farmer1906 said:

Athletic Offseason Grade:

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Houston Astros
Grade: B+
Nailing down the GM spot was huge for the organization, and Dana Brown is a well-regarded executive with a great background in scouting for a few successful organizations. The Astros also got better at first base by signing Jos Abreu to a three-year deal, but will his worst slugging against fastballs (by 100 points) in 2022 be more of a sign of age than the org thought? Also letting Justin Verlander go means not only losing some star power at the top of the rotation, but making Hunter Brown the one-man stop-gap if the team needs pitching depth. Last year's best starting rotation can probably handle it, though, so a good offseason writ large. Eno Sarris




I don't disagree, and I think it's the exact right call.

We were the best team in baseball going in, and we can quickly turn a B+ into and A with just one or two rentals mid-year.

Meanwhile we made a great long term GM hire with an emphasis on growing from within (same way we built this success), and we haven't broken the bank for signing all our young superstars as they come up.

The Astros continue to be the best run organization in US professional sports
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Before 2022 we let several key relievers walk. No Correa. Didn't get Marte. We signed old man JV after being injured.

I bet if you go look before 2021 and 2022 no one thought much of our offseasons. All we did was goto back to back WS and win one.

When you're the best you don't have to be drastic. We're built to stay at the top, not reach it and rebuild.
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Exactly

We are in position that sometimes less is more
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These guys own big games. They just know how to win. The Astros were 11-2 last year in the playoffs, and Verlander was the weak link in the pitching staff. Let that sink in.
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The Red Sox were officially and publicly popped for the same thing. As were the Yankees, though of course it was a "private letter" which it took some legal wrangling to uncover. Fairly clear the Dodgers did the same thing. Yet we have to live in this fantasyland where only the Astros did something which violated the sacredness of the game: winning while playing in flyover country instead of in some larger media market full of idiots in their fanbase.



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CFTXAG10 said:

If my math is right we only have 15/162 starting after 8pm ct. Not too bad.
that's amazing after recent TV schedules
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BadAggie said:

The Red Sox were officially and publicly popped for the same thing. As were the Yankees, though of course it was a "private letter" which it took some legal wrangling to uncover. Fairly clear the Dodgers did the same thing. Yet we have to live in this fantasyland where only the Astros did something which violated the sacredness of the game: winning while playing in flyover country instead of in some larger media market full of idiots in their fanbase.




I blame the commissioner. His arrogant ass claim of protecting the integrity of the game while not releasing the report is typical east coast arrogance. The report should be seen by the HOF voters, as to judge Beltran's leading role. But, better to protect the bluebloods rather than come clean on the whole mess.
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Farmer1906 said:

If anyone is curious here is the article on the reporting of the sign stealing. No Astro fan should pay them a dime.

The following is an excerpt from "Winning Fixes Everything: How Baseball's Brightest Minds Created Sports' Biggest Mess," by Evan Drellich. Used by permission of HarperCollins Publishers LLC, 2023 Evan Drellich.

one of the most irritating things about this...

the media always goes after Luhnow -- rips him to pieces.

but they won't touch or get specific with individual players.

...tell us which player was banging the trash can during Springer's at-bats or Correa's at-bats and so forth.

I'll be surprised if Drellich does either. He's afraid of the players and/or the players union
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July looks to be the month we need to feast upon. Late season also looks favorable.
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W said:

Farmer1906 said:

If anyone is curious here is the article on the reporting of the sign stealing. No Astro fan should pay them a dime.

The following is an excerpt from "Winning Fixes Everything: How Baseball's Brightest Minds Created Sports' Biggest Mess," by Evan Drellich. Used by permission of HarperCollins Publishers LLC, 2023 Evan Drellich.

one of the most irritating things about this...

the media always goes after Luhnow -- rips him to pieces.

but they won't touch or get specific with individual players.

...tell us which player was banging the trash can during Springer's at-bats or Correa's at-bats and so forth.

I'll be surprised if Drellich does either. He's afraid of the players and/or the players union
It wasn't the players banging the trash can. It was the guy sitting at the table in the tunnel between the dugout and clubhouse with the video feed from a center field camera decoding signs.
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Not gonna post all the tweets because it's a long thread, but I seem to remember the guy mentioned in this thread being a pretty big asshat towards Astros fans. Turns out he lied about serving in the military and having cancer. Obvious mental problems aside, I'm glad they called this guy out. Stolen valor is some straight human garbage BS. Faking cancer is just as bad.
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RED AG 98
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BOOOOO!!!!!!!! Just got official notice from YTTV. I especially hate the highlighted portion. If I had a classical DVR I would not lose access to what I recorded!

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RED AG 98 said:

BOOOOO!!!!!!!! Just got official notice from YTTV. I especially hate the highlighted portion. If I had a classical DVR I would not lose access to what I recorded!


Same here...screw these guys. Bet when they work it out none of the recordings come back.
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Get your Dana Brown fix

Sports talk 790 interview

https://sportstalk790.iheart.com/featured/the-a-team/content/2023-01-31-dana-brown-talks-time-with-braves-possible-extensions-for-tucker-valdez/

Astro Line Pod (official)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/houston-astros-podcast/id902521725?i=1000597185478

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The 790 interview is way better. Sounds like Yuli ain't happening. He did touch on Crane having special advisors, but through the ass kissing he did say "stay in your lane". He definitely says more than Click ever did. That guy could talk for 15 min and you'd know nothing more at the end of it. Best part of it all was the focus on keeping guys around. I fully expect at least one major extension to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if there were more.
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All I'm saying….is I have stayed the course with my DIRECTV, been rewarded for my loyalty, and all these streaming service keep dropping their offerings and raising their prices
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

All I'm saying….is I have stayed the course with my DIRECTV, been rewarded for my loyalty, and all these streaming service keep dropping their offerings and raising their prices
I just dropped DIRECTV, are you paying under $100 for cable? They weren't budging and I was paying close to $140 when I dropped. YouTube TV for $70/month and then Fubo for Stros season was just too much savings to ignore.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

All I'm saying….is I have stayed the course with my DIRECTV, been rewarded for my loyalty, and all these streaming service keep dropping their offerings and raising their prices


Didn't Directv drop fox a month of so back? I don't think anyone is immune.

Plus the cheapest Directv package with all these channels is 85 plus fees with a 2 year commitment.
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The extension talk got the wheels turning in my head. I found a very nice comp for Tucker that could be realistic.

Austin Riley
10/212 M
Bought out 3 years of Arb
26 before the season starts
12 WAR thru ~1800 PAs
Back to back top 10 MVP voting
138 OPS+ over the last 2 seasons (123 career OPS+)

Kyle Tucker
Needs mega extension
3 years of Arb left
Turned 26 14 days ago
12.8 WAR thru ~1500 PA
Back to back top 20 MVP voting
137 OPS+ over the last 2 seasons (129 career OPS+)

Would Crane break his 5-6 year rule? Would Tucker accept a 21.2 AAV after this last offseason? How would the rest of the clubhouse feel (see Yordan)?
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Farmer1906 said:

The extension talk got the wheels turning in my head. I found a very nice comp for Tucker that could be realistic.

Austin Riley
10/212 M
Bought out 3 years of Arb
26 before the season starts
12 WAR thru ~1800 PAs
Back to back top 10 MVP voting
138 OPS+ over the last 2 seasons (123 career OPS+)

Kyle Tucker
Needs mega extension
3 years of Arb left
Turned 26 14 days ago
12.8 WAR thru ~1500 PA
Back to back top 20 MVP voting
137 OPS+ over the last 2 seasons (129 career OPS+)

Would Crane break his 5-6 year rule? Would Tucker accept a 21.2 AAV after this last offseason? How would the rest of the clubhouse feel (see Yordan)?

I like it. Sign me up.
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Very good comp. Seems like a fair deal
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That's one of those deals where if you can get Tucker to agree, you don't worry about how others feel. Generally, players congratulate other players on their success in contracts.
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I just called in to make sure I was getting my best deals. I have the choice package I believe, so not the base. I have HBO with it so I get HBO max streaming. DIRECTV just started having a good streaming app so I can use it when the weather cuts out and on any smart tv. I beieve for TV I pay like $84

Admittedly I have a great deal but it's because I've had them over a decade now.
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Teddy Perkins said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

All I'm saying….is I have stayed the course with my DIRECTV, been rewarded for my loyalty, and all these streaming service keep dropping their offerings and raising their prices
I just dropped DIRECTV, are you paying under $100 for cable? They weren't budging and I was paying close to $140 when I dropped. YouTube TV for $70/month and then Fubo for Stros season was just too much savings to ignore.


How much do you pay for internet?
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I'd go 10-240 without even a hesitation right now for Tucker
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Directv Stream is where it's at. No contract and all the goodies for channels.
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