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Understood but I think this highlights the type of stupid petty bullsh** the HOF voters consider. If one guy isn't in because he's an arsehole why don't you think they would hold another guy back because he was on a team with the biggest "scandal" since the roid era?Farmer1906 said:
Schilling is 100% personal and political.
Why is schilling an *******?
The liberal press doesn't like free speech when it's conservative, so Schilling is considered a radical.
MaxPower said:Understood but I think this highlights the type of stupid petty bullsh** the HOF voters consider. If one guy isn't in because he's an arsehole why don't you think they would hold another guy back because he was on a team with the biggest "scandal" since the roid era?Farmer1906 said:
Schilling is 100% personal and political.
Because politics run this country most of the versus simply right or wrong decisions. How else can explain we live in a world that I have to pay a woman in a system that won't even give me equal time with my own children that I didn't decide to leave.
Money and politics is always the answers in this "free" democracy
Ag4life80 said:
The liberal press doesn't like free speech when it's conservative, so Schilling is considered a radical.
Exactly, liberal judges think I'm insane in family court for asking for equal rights with my own kids just because I have *****. All while they sit there in their robes line a king or queen violating the Constitution. It's always politics man
Altuve is going to keep being a great dude, mashing dingers and winning titles. The truth always bears itself out over time and I think his image will continue to improve year after year until the national POV matches the local one.Big Al 1992 said:
So freakin annoying. Altuve should be thought of as one of the true heroes of the game. First ballot HOF'er. A super nice and humble guy that had to work harder than most, achieved what seemed darn near impossible, and has performed greater than anyone's wildest expectations. At least Houston baseball fans see this and appreciate it. But it's going to be "controversial" and a "difficult vote" for too many idiot mouth breathers on the east and west coasts.
At least outside of NYC.
Harry Dunne said:Jeff Kent is not in because he's an ash hole. Which is a dumb reason not to be in, but that's just another reason writer shouldn't get votes.Wabs said:
Rolen getting in and Jeff Kent not is a ****ing joke.
Then of course Lance Berkman is not in and he's the nicest guy in town.
The only thing I know for sure is that by and large sports writers are idiots.
I seriously think Jeff Kent doesn't give a ****, which is why I always loved him.
Nobody likes free speech when it contradicts their own POV. The other side is just as bad as your own, no matter what side you're on.Ag4life80 said:
The liberal press doesn't like free speech when it's conservative, so Schilling is considered a radical.
No Harry, it's not the same. I'm not opposed to them having an opinion at all. I may think they're an idiot, but I'll defend their right to be one. Not so of the hypocritical left these days.
Politics on the Stros thread
Agree 100%.
This is a conversation best left for the politics forum. Let's stick to baseball.
This is a conversation best left for the politics forum. Let's stick to baseball.
The offseason is played out. Let's go defend the belt. I am really excited for pretty much all aspects of our team.
The lineup is deep. We got pop. Hit for avg. Draw walks. Can swipe a few bags. Have a good mix of L/R and guys who can hit both righties and lefties. I think Abreu's addition & Brantley's return is flying under the radar nationally or maybe even locally too.
How many rotations can lose a Cy Young and still be top 3 in baseball? Framber, Javier, or Lance could get hot and win a Cy. I think Garcia has another level to unlock. Bad bad Hunter Brown is about to have his coming out party this season. I can see Yankee, Mariners, Ranger, etc fanbases all rolling their eyes when just keep reloading.
Finally, the best bullpen in baseball returns. Pressly might finally get the respect his name deserves for being so constantly good and clutch. He hasn't given up an earned run in the postseason in the last 15 games. Montero = killer. Stanek = killer. Neris = killer. Abreu = the biggest killer of them all. Plus we have ole reliable Maton and some potential with Martinez. If Seth figures out how to get lefties out, add him to the list of killers.
(pretend that's a goat, not a llama)
The lineup is deep. We got pop. Hit for avg. Draw walks. Can swipe a few bags. Have a good mix of L/R and guys who can hit both righties and lefties. I think Abreu's addition & Brantley's return is flying under the radar nationally or maybe even locally too.
How many rotations can lose a Cy Young and still be top 3 in baseball? Framber, Javier, or Lance could get hot and win a Cy. I think Garcia has another level to unlock. Bad bad Hunter Brown is about to have his coming out party this season. I can see Yankee, Mariners, Ranger, etc fanbases all rolling their eyes when just keep reloading.
Finally, the best bullpen in baseball returns. Pressly might finally get the respect his name deserves for being so constantly good and clutch. He hasn't given up an earned run in the postseason in the last 15 games. Montero = killer. Stanek = killer. Neris = killer. Abreu = the biggest killer of them all. Plus we have ole reliable Maton and some potential with Martinez. If Seth figures out how to get lefties out, add him to the list of killers.
(pretend that's a goat, not a llama)
Wish MLB had that same opinion when covid took overHarry Dunne said:
Agree 100%.
This is a conversation best left for the politics forum. Let's stick to baseball.
favorite Jeff Kent stat:
career plate appearances with runners on base ---> 4,819
career plate appearances with the bases empty ---> 4,718
thank you Barry Bonds
career plate appearances with runners on base ---> 4,819
career plate appearances with the bases empty ---> 4,718
thank you Barry Bonds
I suppose I will draw some ire and I'm sure my age is a factor, but I don't really think Berkman nor several other guys belong in the Hall of Fame, but rather the hall of Very Good. For me, entry into the HOF means you have to tick some all-time surefire boxes like 3,000 hits or 500 HR or a .300 lifetime average or 300 wins.
The exceptions are that you were dominant for a shorter period of time but had something tragic happen, like Kirby Puckett or Sandy Koufax.
The Hall of Fame should be an elite standard of the upper-upper of the game. Berkman is one of my favorite Astros ever, but I don't think he qualifies. To be honest, I was surprised Bagwell got in. He had great numbers and won an MVP, but he felt slightly short of 500 HR and .300 for his career, and wasn't close to 3,000 hits.
I know those numbers have changed meaning over the years, but there are still not very many guys who have reached them. Looking back over the last 10 years of the HOF vote, I would de-shrine McGriff, Rolen, Jim Katt, Minnie Minoso, Ted Simmons - who I had no idea was in there - and Harold Baines automatically. Lance was a stud and a blast to watch, and I even got to interact with him some when I worked at RIce right out of A&M in the late 1990s, but when I think greatest to ever play the game, his name isn't on my list.
Just the ol' $0.02.
The exceptions are that you were dominant for a shorter period of time but had something tragic happen, like Kirby Puckett or Sandy Koufax.
The Hall of Fame should be an elite standard of the upper-upper of the game. Berkman is one of my favorite Astros ever, but I don't think he qualifies. To be honest, I was surprised Bagwell got in. He had great numbers and won an MVP, but he felt slightly short of 500 HR and .300 for his career, and wasn't close to 3,000 hits.
I know those numbers have changed meaning over the years, but there are still not very many guys who have reached them. Looking back over the last 10 years of the HOF vote, I would de-shrine McGriff, Rolen, Jim Katt, Minnie Minoso, Ted Simmons - who I had no idea was in there - and Harold Baines automatically. Lance was a stud and a blast to watch, and I even got to interact with him some when I worked at RIce right out of A&M in the late 1990s, but when I think greatest to ever play the game, his name isn't on my list.
Just the ol' $0.02.
There is no way in the world anyone can convince me B**** shouldn't be in the HOF. He's arguably a top 5 1B of all time behind Gehrig, Pujols, & Fox. That is a stacked position.
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You make good points, but as has been pointed out Berkman is more deserving than some who have gotten in the past few years. And I was kind of pleasantly surprised by Bagwell myself, but anyone being objective knows he would have hit 500 home runs if his shoulder hadn't have given out on him. Maybe voters shouldn't consider that but in his case I think they might have.The Porkchop Express said:
I suppose I will draw some ire and I'm sure my age is a factor, but I don't really think Berkman nor several other guys belong in the Hall of Fame, but rather the hall of Very Good. For me, entry into the HOF means you have to tick some all-time surefire boxes like 3,000 hits or 500 HR or a .300 lifetime average or 300 wins.
The exceptions are that you were dominant for a shorter period of time but had something tragic happen, like Kirby Puckett or Sandy Koufax.
The Hall of Fame should be an elite standard of the upper-upper of the game. Berkman is one of my favorite Astros ever, but I don't think he qualifies. To be honest, I was surprised Bagwell got in. He had great numbers and won an MVP, but he felt slightly short of 500 HR and .300 for his career, and wasn't close to 3,000 hits.
I know those numbers have changed meaning over the years, but there are still not very many guys who have reached them. Looking back over the last 10 years of the HOF vote, I would de-shrine McGriff, Rolen, Jim Katt, Minnie Minoso, Ted Simmons - who I had no idea was in there - and Harold Baines automatically. Lance was a stud and a blast to watch, and I even got to interact with him some when I worked at RIce right out of A&M in the late 1990s, but when I think greatest to ever play the game, his name isn't on my list.
Just the ol' $0.02.
This is a reasonable take.
The problem with the old surefire benchmarks is that the game changes and so do the benchmarks. Unless the game changes in an unpredictable way, I don't think anyone's getting to 300 wins ever again… and now that hitting for average isn't considered as important & very few guys play 150 games every season, I don't know that we are going to see guys get to 3K hits.
The problem with the old surefire benchmarks is that the game changes and so do the benchmarks. Unless the game changes in an unpredictable way, I don't think anyone's getting to 300 wins ever again… and now that hitting for average isn't considered as important & very few guys play 150 games every season, I don't know that we are going to see guys get to 3K hits.
No one GAF...Take it to F16
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Lance totally deserves to be in the HOF...also, shifting back to the 'Stros...
If Yuli doesn't come back home I'm concerned that might affect us in regards to Seattle. If memory serves me right, he absolutely killed them over his career and they are only getting better. Now I know next years schedule is different, but it would be nice to have a guy like that you could count on. What say you?
If Yuli doesn't come back home I'm concerned that might affect us in regards to Seattle. If memory serves me right, he absolutely killed them over his career and they are only getting better. Now I know next years schedule is different, but it would be nice to have a guy like that you could count on. What say you?
W said:
favorite Jeff Kent stat:
career plate appearances with runners on base ---> 4,819
career plate appearances with the bases empty ---> 4,718
thank you Barry Bonds
What's the major league average the last 40 years of % of at bats with runners on
Not sure how to look that up but Bagwell had 4688 PAs with men on and 4743 with bases empty & Yordan has 786 with men on and 751 with bases empty so I'd guess around 50/50 is normal for a cleanup type guy who hit behind good hitters most of his career.
Just hire Brown. No farting around with Ausmus. As far as I can tell, dude has absolutely 0 experience with scouting, which is probably the most important aspect of being a GM.EastCoastAgNc said:Jim Crane said he does not have a timeline for the Astros GM search. He said there are internal and external candidates. Asked what he is looking for in a GM, Crane replied “a good one.”
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Is Breggy wearing a clip on tie? Come on man...you're making almost $30M a year. Shell out for a real tie.
That's not a clip on. He tied the knot and it's around his neck. Or his wife tied it.
I bet he's better at tying ties than you are hitting fastballs.
Porkchop, good take and you have a real case for it. But I disagree.
I'd say Edgar Martinez is a fair comparison. In about 800 fewer PAs, Lance had 57 more HRs, higher OPS, higher XBH %, and only about 30 fewer RBI.
Martinez hit .312, and his OBP was just slightly higher than Berkman.
For the postseason though, Lance had a career BA that was 50 points higher than Martinez and had an OPS of .949. Lance was about 10 behind Martinez in career WAR. But he played three fewer seasons. He was a 6x all-star and in the top 5 of MVP voting 4 times -- twice in the top 3. Martinez was a 7x all-star, but only was in the top 5 of MVP voting once.
Lance's 7 year WAR is better than Frank Thomas and Jim Thome. Both are HOFers. Lance is also 6th all time for HRs by a switch hitter.
Lance's numbers are also better than Rolen's. Better BA, OBP, OPS, slugging, Walk to K ratio. That's just a few. I think what hurt Lance is WAR because he played multiple positions. He played all OF positions, even CF sometimes, then 1B. Martinez and Rolen primarily played 3B. Martinez DH.
If Martinez and Rolen are in, Lance deserves to be there.
Links to stats for review:
Lance vs Edgar:
https://stathead.com/tiny/QuoY8
Lance vs Rolen:
https://stathead.com/tiny/Un6M5
I'd say Edgar Martinez is a fair comparison. In about 800 fewer PAs, Lance had 57 more HRs, higher OPS, higher XBH %, and only about 30 fewer RBI.
Martinez hit .312, and his OBP was just slightly higher than Berkman.
For the postseason though, Lance had a career BA that was 50 points higher than Martinez and had an OPS of .949. Lance was about 10 behind Martinez in career WAR. But he played three fewer seasons. He was a 6x all-star and in the top 5 of MVP voting 4 times -- twice in the top 3. Martinez was a 7x all-star, but only was in the top 5 of MVP voting once.
Lance's 7 year WAR is better than Frank Thomas and Jim Thome. Both are HOFers. Lance is also 6th all time for HRs by a switch hitter.
Lance's numbers are also better than Rolen's. Better BA, OBP, OPS, slugging, Walk to K ratio. That's just a few. I think what hurt Lance is WAR because he played multiple positions. He played all OF positions, even CF sometimes, then 1B. Martinez and Rolen primarily played 3B. Martinez DH.
If Martinez and Rolen are in, Lance deserves to be there.
Links to stats for review:
Lance vs Edgar:
https://stathead.com/tiny/QuoY8
Lance vs Rolen:
https://stathead.com/tiny/Un6M5
Harry Dunne said:
I bet he's better at tying ties than you are hitting fastballs.
I would bet my life savings on that
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Is Breggy wearing a clip on tie? Come on man...you're making almost $30M a year. Shell out for a real tie.
Is this thing supposed to be televised somewhere?
Better host photo
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