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***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***
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The Dodgers announce they have released Trevor Bauer. He is free to sign with any team for $720,000.
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I know, I know...But it's funny any team can sign him at the min and he still banks all that money from the Dodgers. lolFarmer1906 said:The Dodgers announce they have released Trevor Bauer. He is free to sign with any team for $720,000.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 12, 2023
Farmer1906 said:The Dodgers announce they have released Trevor Bauer. He is free to sign with any team for $720,000.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 12, 2023
On paper, signing a player at Bauer's level for league min should be something every time should do. But who will actually do it? If none, do we consider Tyler blackballed?
If I owned a team, I would not sign him.
We traded for Osuna and it was fine. Bauer has done his time, I'd have no problem signing him to a league minimum deal and see if he can perform like he did prior to his ban.
sign him up. for cheap of course. WIN THE MOTHER****ER AGAIN. RUN IT BACK
In theory I do not disagree with this but Bauer has shown to be a clubhouse cancer everywhere he has been. If the 'Stros were lacking in the pen it might be worth the risk, as is let some other team deal with all that baggage.PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:
We traded for Osuna and it was fine. Bauer has done his time, I'd have no problem signing him to a league minimum deal and see if he can perform like he did prior to his ban.
Farmer1906 said:
On paper, signing a player at Bauer's level for league min should be something every time should do. But who will actually do it? If none, do we consider Tyler blackballed?
I'm on record. 10 teams will show interest and he signs with Texas.
If he's the same pitcher he was before the suspension you are removing your worst starter and replacing them with a CY level pitcher for $720k. That's how you win a WS.
If he has the humility to come to Houston after all the trash he talked and keep his mouth shut and do his job then I have no problem with it. At the first sign of trouble, you cut his ass. I don't think he'd come here unless he wanted to be different moving forward.
Aside from that, everyone hates us already anyway. Why not lean into it?
Aside from that, everyone hates us already anyway. Why not lean into it?
Yea, lots of angles to this.Harry Dunne said:
If he has the humility to come to Houston after all the trash he talked and keep his mouth shut and do his job then I have no problem with it. At the first sign of trouble, you cut his ass. I don't think he'd come here unless he wanted to be different moving forward.
Aside from that, everyone hates us already anyway. Why not lean into it?
1) We took a ton of heat for the Osuna trade, but beyond the optics, alot of the hysteria was unfounded. He was essentially acquitted of the charges and was a model citizen while he was here. It was a shame Taubman shined a huge light on it after the 2019 ALCS because, by then, I think it was mostly in the past. With that said, I think "the optics" alone would make Crane hesitant to sign Bauer.
2) I think our locker room is strong enough to absorb almost any personality, but Bauer is on a very short list of guys I'm not totally sure about. I think there's a decent chance he comes in and fully embraces the culture and thrives in it. Breggy and LMJ are the two that might have some reservations up front, but both those guys are pros and would move on quick if Bauer assimilates. Honestly, I'm not sure there's a better manager to integrate Bauer into our locker room than Dusty.
3) There's some tantalizing upside thinking about Bauer working with our nerds. Bauer is also one of the smartest pitchers in the game, so our nerds could probably learn a thing or two from him as well. It has the potential to be harmonious from a baseball performance perspective.
Like you hinted at, alot of it comes down to Crane. If he's still trying to make nice with the baseball establishment, we're almost certainly not going to sign Bauer. But if he's like F it, we're never going to get a fair shake anyway... why not just lean into it?
Alot of analysis for something that's a very very low probability haha.
Settle a debate for me..
If the Astros had just signed Carlos Correa for 6/200 and then traded Pena to the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds and another top tier prospect
Would you have been mad?
If the Astros had just signed Carlos Correa for 6/200 and then traded Pena to the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds and another top tier prospect
Would you have been mad?
Harry Dunne said:
If he has the humility to come to Houston after all the trash he talked and keep his mouth shut and do his job then I have no problem with it. At the first sign of trouble, you cut his ass. I don't think he'd come here unless he wanted to be different moving forward.
Aside from that, everyone hates us already anyway. Why not lean into it?
I 100% agree. I like the idea of flipping him, get the stink off him, get people used to him playing again, then trade his ass if we dont need him. Dont see much downside here, you can always just dump him if it becomes a problem.
Of course and there are some that are now mad cause you gave them a scenario to be mad aboutHarryRocket said:
Settle a debate for me..
If the Astros had just signed Carlos Correa for 6/200 and then traded Pena to the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds and another top tier prospect
Would you have been mad?
Do we win 2 more WS?HarryRocket said:
Settle a debate for me..
If the Astros had just signed Carlos Correa for 6/200 and then traded Pena to the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds and another top tier prospect
Would you have been mad?
Or does Correa's ankle explode and Reynolds crash down to earth while Pena plays 17 more years and goes into the HOF wearing someone else's cap?
I'll just let this speak for itself.Farmer1906 said:I don't think your NFL comparison is too far off for MLB. Both games are wildly different.McInnis said:It might not be fair but at least with baseball you can do it. Imagine trying to compare stats of a current NFL player to one in the 60s. To me the worst thing about the steroid era is how badly it distorted statistics for one small time period.Quote:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
In 1960 Dick Groat led the NL in hitting with a .325 average. In 2022 Jeff Mc Neil led the NL in batting with a .326 average.
In 1960 Johnny U led the NFL in passing yards with 3099 yards. In 2022 Patrick Mahommes led the NFL with 5250 yards..
You might say but there's a lot more games played in an NFL season now than there was then. Which would be helping make my point.
Yes
So for clarity…
Pena > Correa, Reynolds and a Top Tier Prospect
People be lovng this .250/.700 ops 25 year old
Kid was nails in post season, nails in the field, he might just get better at the plate this year… (he could soph slump it)
But That underrated to overrated happened quickly.
Pena > Correa, Reynolds and a Top Tier Prospect
People be lovng this .250/.700 ops 25 year old
Kid was nails in post season, nails in the field, he might just get better at the plate this year… (he could soph slump it)
But That underrated to overrated happened quickly.
He wouldn't have any CG because he'd get pulled after 100 pitches...Farmer1906 said:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
But he'd also have access to all of the advantages pitchers have access to (everything you mentioned for hitters) along with better nutrition, strength training, etc. and he'd be able to rear back and throw his best stuff for 6-7 innings.
It's impossible to compare and just in general humans are much bigger and stronger than they were 60 years ago so it's not a fair comparison...but I think if Gibson had been born in 1999 he'd still be a stud.
The rat has as many World Series rings as Maddux, tooPSully97 said:
No-hitters are cool, but all you really need to know is that Mike Fiers & Homer Bailey are tied for 7th all time with 2 each and Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens had none.
In 2023 Carlos + Reyolds >>>> Pena + Chas. Obviously.HarryRocket said:
So for clarity…
Pena > Correa, Reynolds and a Top Tier Prospect
People be lovng this .250/.700 ops 25 year old
Kid was nails in post season, nails in the field, he might just get better at the plate this year… (he could soph slump it)
But That underrated to overrated happened quickly.
But you're forgetting a pretty important component:
Is Carlos ($33.3M) + Reynolds $13.5M) > Pena (700K) + Chas (570K) + whatever you can get for $46M???
Isn't Reynolds asking for a quite a decent extension from whoever trades for him? I thought that was a stipulation for trading for him.
I rather roll with Pena and Chas for a lot cheaper than Correa and Reynolds.
I rather roll with Pena and Chas for a lot cheaper than Correa and Reynolds.
I thought about this a few weeks ago. Pena is one of the best assets in the game and the list of guys who wouldn't be in play if we dangled him on the trade market is very very short.HarryRocket said:
Settle a debate for me..
If the Astros had just signed Carlos Correa for 6/200 and then traded Pena to the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds and another top tier prospect
Would you have been mad?
If we signed Correa and traded Pena for a top tier CF, we'd have a 1-8 LOD for the next few years, but I think our window would tighten a bit. There's also an upside case with Pena that I'd prefer to see play out wearing a Houston uniform. He and Yordan should be the long term faces of the franchise and carry our dynasty through 2030+.
Even though it's tantalizing to think about our lineup over the next 3-4 years in the scenario you outlined, I think we did the right thing by sitting tight.
So, in an instance of right place right time, we got a call from a Long-time family friend thats on the Astros staff late last week that said the GOAT (Altuve) had a donation for our organization. The caveat was that it needed to be picked up from his home. I immediately volunteered my services! Went over to Altuve's on Tuesday afternoon and got to shoot the sh** with him for a solid 15-20 minutes. Talked a little bit about the last 2 months he spent in Venezuela, and how he is ready to get going this season. I thought he was just there in his home country a short while, but he said his whole family went to visit relatives and enjoy some quality time together. You could tell the amount of pride he had for being from there. He laughed a little when I brought up the street dancing video.
TLDR; met the goat, as advertised he is laid back, humble, and cool as ****
TLDR; met the goat, as advertised he is laid back, humble, and cool as ****
You kind of making my point.Harry Dunne said:He wouldn't have any CG because he'd get pulled after 100 pitches...Farmer1906 said:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
But he'd also have access to all of the advantages pitchers have access to (everything you mentioned for hitters) along with better nutrition, strength training, etc. and he'd be able to rear back and throw his best stuff for 6-7 innings.
It's impossible to compare and just in general humans are much bigger and stronger than they were 60 years ago so it's not a fair comparison...but I think if Gibson had been born in 1999 he'd still be a stud.
It's not a fair comparison because so much has changed.
That…is awesome.
Do you think comparing batting avg over time is the same as passing yards?McInnis said:I'll just let this speak for itself.Farmer1906 said:I don't think your NFL comparison is too far off for MLB. Both games are wildly different.McInnis said:It might not be fair but at least with baseball you can do it. Imagine trying to compare stats of a current NFL player to one in the 60s. To me the worst thing about the steroid era is how badly it distorted statistics for one small time period.Quote:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
In 1960 Dick Groat led the NL in hitting with a .325 average. In 2022 Jeff Mc Neil led the NL in batting with a .326 average.
In 1960 Johnny U led the NFL in passing yards with 3099 yards. In 2022 Patrick Mahommes led the NFL with 5250 yards..
You might say but there's a lot more games played in an NFL season now than there was then. Which would be helping make my point.
That would be like me saying in 1981 the AL HR leader had 22 while in today's game it's 62, but if you look at completion % in 1945, 1989, & 2022 it was 70.3%, 70.2%, & 69.8%.
correct, I'm not disagreeing with you at all.Farmer1906 said:You kind of making my point.Harry Dunne said:He wouldn't have any CG because he'd get pulled after 100 pitches...Farmer1906 said:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
But he'd also have access to all of the advantages pitchers have access to (everything you mentioned for hitters) along with better nutrition, strength training, etc. and he'd be able to rear back and throw his best stuff for 6-7 innings.
It's impossible to compare and just in general humans are much bigger and stronger than they were 60 years ago so it's not a fair comparison...but I think if Gibson had been born in 1999 he'd still be a stud.
It's not a fair comparison because so much has changed.
I'm just adding that if rather than teleport or time travel or whatever we have decided it is you made him born in 1999, with all of today's advantages he'd still be a stud.
This doesn't change your point, but 1981 was a shortened season and that's why the HR totals are so low.
Were you squatting or are you just that short.CFTXAG10 said:
So, in an instance of right place right time, we got a call from a Long-time family friend thats on the Astros staff late last week that said the GOAT (Altuve) had a donation for our organization. The caveat was that it needed to be picked up from his home. I immediately volunteered my services! Went over to Altuve's on Tuesday afternoon and got to shoot the sh** with him for a solid 15-20 minutes. Talked a little bit about the last 2 months he spent in Venezuela, and how he is ready to get going this season. I thought he was just there in his home country a short while, but he said his whole family went to visit relatives and enjoy some quality time together. You could tell the amount of pride he had for being from there. He laughed a little when I brought up the street dancing video.
TLDR; met the goat, as advertised he is laid back, humble, and cool as ****
JK, That is quite awesome.
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And in this care that is Abreu, Montero, a good chance we extend Framber or Javier, flexibility at the deadline, a better chance of signing Bregman and/or Altuve in 2 years, and the benefits of being under the luxury tax (mostly to do with QO, int pool, picks, etc)Harry Dunne said:In 2023 Carlos + Reyolds >>>> Pena + Chas. Obviously.HarryRocket said:
So for clarity…
Pena > Correa, Reynolds and a Top Tier Prospect
People be lovng this .250/.700 ops 25 year old
Kid was nails in post season, nails in the field, he might just get better at the plate this year… (he could soph slump it)
But That underrated to overrated happened quickly.
But you're forgetting a pretty important component:
Is Carlos ($33.3M) + Reynolds $13.5M) > Pena (700K) + Chas (570K) + whatever you can get for $46M???
It does weaken it a little, but, yes, I can cherry-pick all sorts of stats that change and stay the same in both sports.Harry Dunne said:
This doesn't change your point, but 1981 was a shortened season and that's why the HR totals are so low.
it's easier in the NFL because the entire history of the league is their "steroid era".McInnis said:It might not be fair but at least with baseball you can do it. Imagine trying to compare stats of a current NFL player to one in the 60s. To me the worst thing about the steroid era is how badly it distorted statistics for one small time period.Quote:
As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.
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