amercer said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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From California Love to Back in the New York groove.......



Steve Cohen is an absolute dip****

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Yes, most billionaires are dip****s...

He doesn't care if the Mets make money. He was a fan of them since he was little, and he makes enough money in a year, he can cover the payroll and still have money left over. Not sure why you guys are so upset with his spending...

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I know the guy is rich, like 16 billion net worth rich, but even with that kind of money I'm not sure a half billion dollar payroll is sustainable. I mean Elon doesn't seem to mind setting 100 billion on fire, but I figured a buttoned down hedge fund guy probably isn't as loose with his money.

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MLB internal revenue projections must be massive. Plus I've read a few places that the Mets have excellent young talent. Instead of waiting for them to mature, he's trying to win with JV and a couple of guys now. A few of the older guys will come off the books as their talent ages up. Correa will be their franchise infielder.

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BMX Bandit said:

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then generally a turd for what?

sticking up for teammates? pointing to a fake watch during a homerun?

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His goofy ass teeth

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What teeth?

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Michael Brantley's contract with the Astros will pay him $16 million if he reaches 525 plate appearances next season. Full breakdown, per source:

$12,000,000 base

$500k each for 400, 425 plate appearances

$750k each for 450, 475, 500, 525 plate appearances

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 21, 2022

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Even with rest and some platooning, he should be able to some of those reach those goals.

If he gets 5 PA a game, he'd only need to play a full 105 games. It doesn't exactly work like that. He played 121 games in 2021 and had 508 PA.

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it feels like the Giants dodged a major bullet here.

would not want to be tied to Correa for 13 years --- that is a very, very long time.

SF can be a major player in the Ohtani sweepstakes now

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Go ahead and get the tears in now...Ohtani will be a Met as well.

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It's Cohen's money and he can do with it as he pleases. I agree, everyone complains about cheap owners and the lack of spending. Cohen goes and spends and makes people jealous. He wants to win.

Imagine the increase in team value the Mets will have once they win a ship again. 23 seasons since their last.

Flip side is, that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy that has average 111 games played in his 8 big league years. CC wins with this contract. Cohen, Giants, and any team for that matter should have offered more money but for less years. 6yrs/$192mm or something. When teams can see how healthy he is, but the Mets are screwed with him most likely come 2027/2028 seasons.

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That is what is getting missed by some on here. Forget the years. These deals (Turner, Bogarts, Correa, Judge, etc), are essentially short term high AAV contracts that are manipulated for tax purposes. Zero chance that the signing teams think the contract will still be a good value at the end. It is pure manipulation plain and simple.

There’s something poetic about Carlos Correa overshadowing the Aaron Judge press conference day in the Bronx. @TeamCJCorrea just added more sazon to the Mets-Yankees rivalry. @OurEsquina pic.twitter.com/ATaQ2zHw5X

— Jose de Jesus Ortiz (@OrtizKicks) December 21, 2022

Furlock Bones said:

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amercer said:

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Nitro Power said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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From California Love to Back in the New York groove.......



Steve Cohen is an absolute dip****

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Yes, most billionaires are dip****s...

He doesn't care if the Mets make money. He was a fan of them since he was little, and he makes enough money in a year, he can cover the payroll and still have money left over. Not sure why you guys are so upset with his spending...

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I know the guy is rich, like 16 billion net worth rich, but even with that kind of money I'm not sure a half billion dollar payroll is sustainable. I mean Elon doesn't seem to mind setting 100 billion on fire, but I figured a buttoned down hedge fund guy probably isn't as loose with his money.

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MLB internal revenue projections must be massive. Plus I've read a few places that the Mets have excellent young talent. Instead of waiting for them to mature, he's trying to win with JV and a couple of guys now. A few of the older guys will come off the books as their talent ages up. Correa will be their franchise infielder.

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This is true. Several guys you will hear about this year or 24. The really problem is ****ty ownership prior. The farm has no pitching, with a few exceptions at the lower minor leagues. So if you have the ability to supplement the team short term, why would you do a complete rebuild. Going forward, I see the Mets as a team who develops players and still goes and gets the best to fill the holes. Think the Dodgers on steroids. The exception being that it is one mans decisions financially, not a group or organization.

So here is the big question and I know it's been discussed on here before but….

What does it take now to keep tucker and Framber?
Do y'all see any path for them to get a short term deal done like we did with breggy and Yordan to buy out the arbitration years?

Or are they looking at this market and thinking they wait it out and get massive deals?

FWIW- everything I've been told indicates Tucker wants to test the FA market and won't be signing an extension with Houston

DavysApprentice said:

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So here is the big question and I know it's been discussed on here before but….

What does it take now to keep tucker and Framber?
Do y'all see any path for them to get a short term deal done like we did with breggy and Yordan to buy out the arbitration years?

Or are they looking at this market and thinking they wait it out and get massive deals?

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You can write the book on Tucker. He is going to test free agency.

Your best bet for him staying in Houston is to cut him a massive deal of your own after this season. He is going to see how the lack of pre-aligned shift impacts his numbers this year and then play off of what is likely a banner year for him.

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FWIW- everything I've been told indicates Tucker wants to test the FA market and won't be signing an extension with Houston

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Enjoy the next 3 years and develop the hell out of Leon, Gilbert, Melton, & Barber.

He'll hit the market at the same time as Reynolds & Mullens. Except TED will be 2-3 years younger. He's gonna get one of those 12/315 deals.

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texasaggie2015 said:

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FWIW- everything I've been told indicates Tucker wants to test the FA market and won't be signing an extension with Houston

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Enjoy the next 3 years and develop the hell out of Leon, Gilbert, Melton, & Barber.

He'll hit the market at the same time as Reynolds & Mullens. Except TED will be 2-3 years younger. He's gonna get one of those 12/315 deals.

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Would the Astros give this contract at that point? We never have in the past with Crane

DavysApprentice said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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FWIW- everything I've been told indicates Tucker wants to test the FA market and won't be signing an extension with Houston

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Enjoy the next 3 years and develop the hell out of Leon, Gilbert, Melton, & Barber.

He'll hit the market at the same time as Reynolds & Mullens. Except TED will be 2-3 years younger. He's gonna get one of those 12/315 deals.

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Would the Astros give this contract at that point? We never have in the past with Crane

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Its probably dependent on the guys coming up, Yordan's ability to continue to play LF, if TED takes the next step offensively, if we keep winning titles, etc.

Right now I lean toward no, but who the hell knows?

texasaggie2015 said:

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FWIW- everything I've been told indicates Tucker wants to test the FA market and won't be signing an extension with Houston

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Correct. Only way the Astros might get him before free agency is to try and sign him to the 12-13 year deal and pay up in a big way.

Scott Boras tells me that after the Giants cancelled their press conference yesterday, they indicated they still wanted to negotiate about Correa. But he didn’t hear anything more from them. Twelve hours later, the Mets deal got worked out.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

If this was a true medical concern, it sounds a little tenuous - and if it was a matter of cold feet, that’s usually ownership. Not the front office. We won’t know what happened from their viewpoint unless or until the Giants discuss this, if they do.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

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Scott Boras tells me that after the Giants cancelled their press conference yesterday, they indicated they still wanted to negotiate about Correa. But he didn’t hear anything more from them. Twelve hours later, the Mets deal got worked out.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

If this was a true medical concern, it sounds a little tenuous - and if it was a matter of cold feet, that’s usually ownership. Not the front office. We won’t know what happened from their viewpoint unless or until the Giants discuss this, if they do.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

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not sure they are even allowed to discuss under the collective bargaining agreement

Michael Brantley said he won't start hitting or swinging a bat until mid-January

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 21, 2022

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Scott Boras tells me that after the Giants cancelled their press conference yesterday, they indicated they still wanted to negotiate about Correa. But he didn’t hear anything more from them. Twelve hours later, the Mets deal got worked out.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

If this was a true medical concern, it sounds a little tenuous - and if it was a matter of cold feet, that’s usually ownership. Not the front office. We won’t know what happened from their viewpoint unless or until the Giants discuss this, if they do.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) December 21, 2022

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not sure they are even allowed to discuss under the collective bargaining agreement

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If they never signed the deal then it's not tampering. It's allowed, it just doesn't happen.

Farmer1906 said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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W said:

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it feels like the Giants dodged a major bullet here.

would not want to be tied to Correa for 13 years --- that is a very, very long time.

SF can be a major player in the Ohtani sweepstakes now

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Why would Ohtani consider another loser?

because of $$$$ and ease of travel back to Asia. Those are two reasons I can think of.

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Dodgers, Padres, and Mariners can offer that plus winning. He's made it very clear he regrets not doing more due diligence before signing last time.

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Mariners are one to watch. They are fully commited to winning. Get Ohtani and that team could be scary.

Luxury Tax Payroll is only 166 M this year. They'll have room to add him without getting taxed.

I CANT BELIEVE IT @SFGiants ARE YOU TRYING TO COMPETE FOR A WORLD SERIES OR ARE YOU A REAL ESTATE ENTERPRISE??? HOW COULD YOU GET PLAYED TWICE IN ONE OFF-SEASON pic.twitter.com/ahTFHQ1g9I

— Joe Shasky (@ButcherBoy415) December 21, 2022

So Giants fans are taking it well

Remaining FA we might be interested in:

Just in case starter (in case we flip one, have an injury, etc) - added a bunch of former Astros to keep it spicy

• Nathan Eovaldi
• Corey Kluber
• Michael Wacha
• Danny Duffy
• Wade Miley
• Zack Greinke
• Mike Minor
• Johnny Cueto
• Rich Hill
• Chris Archer
• Dylan Bundy
• Dallas Keuchel
• Aaron Sanchez

Left Handed RP

• Taylor Rogers
• Aroldis Chapman
• Andrew Chafin
• Matt Moore
• Daniel Norris
• Ryan Borucki
• Jake McGee
• Zach Britton
• Will Smith

4th OF or UTL

• Jurickson Profar
• Brian Anderson
• AJ Pollock
• Wil Myers
• Robbie Grossman
• Donovan Solano
• Danny Mendick (what a ****ing name)
• Chad Pinder

I would take Eovaldi, just becuase we have a good track record with signing 32 year old pitchers from Alvin, TX.