***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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Mr.Bond
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7:15a, 12/21/22
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From California Love to Back in the New York groove.......



Steve Cohen is an absolute dip****
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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7:15a, 12/21/22
His playoff performances really overshadowed his injury prone regular seasons.

New York is where he wanted to be all along.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 7:17a, 12/21/22
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Mr.Bond said:
From California Love to Back in the New York groove.......



Steve Cohen is an absolute dip****


Yes, most billionaires are dip****s...

He doesn't care if the Mets make money. He was a fan of them since he was little, and he makes enough money in a year, he can cover the payroll and still have money left over. Not sure why you guys are so upset with his spending...
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7:18a, 12/21/22
Looking forward to the Astros beating the Mets in the World Series.
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In reply to wangus12 • 7:18a, 12/21/22
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Harry Dunne said:
Who is going to play SS?

Unrelated and SIAP, but I was looking at defensive stats & just realized that Straw won the CF GG this year.


Sounds like Correa will be 3B
I'm sure he will be fine third baseman and that might be even better on his back… but man that seems like a lot of money to pay a guy who was supposedly the best fielder in all of baseball a year ago to learn a new position.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 7:19a, 12/21/22
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
What the **** are the Mets doing?


Lose expensively
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7:20a, 12/21/22
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All-Time San Francisco Giants starting lineup

C: Buster Posey
1B: Willie McCovey
2B: Jeff Kent
3B: Mel Ott
SS: Carlos Correa*
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Arson Judge**
P: Christy Mathewson

* = For six days in December
** - For seven minutes that same December
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7:26a, 12/21/22
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If the Mets don't win a WS this will be the biggest failure an owner has ever had.

Spending record amounts of money in free agency and not winning would be hilarious
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7:31a, 12/21/22
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How does Cohen have that kind of money?

Is he a crook or a politician?
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7:36a, 12/21/22
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Cohen really smacks of the kid who watches his 2 neighbors get the best toy in the world for Christmas (Braves & Phillies going to the World Series) and starts whining about wanting the same thing. But instead of having to beg his parents, he's got access to billions of dollars.

Now we just need the baseball equivalent of Jeff Van Gundy to come out and say, "Wow what a team, if they don't win 120 games and the World Series it will be a disaster!
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In reply to Frok • 7:42a, 12/21/22
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Frok said:
How does Cohen have that kind of money?

Is he a crook or a politician?
Hedge fund. Axelrod in the show Billions is loosely based on him. Paid the biggest fine ever of $1.8b for insider trading.
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In reply to Frok • 7:44a, 12/21/22
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Apparently made $1.7 billion in 2020 and I imagine his 2021 numbers were similar, so this is all chump change for him.
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7:44a, 12/21/22
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At least he's not with the Yankees. I can stomach the Mets.

That team though is going to be a disaster. I want the best for JV and CC, but unfortunately, I think both break down physically during their contracts.
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7:48a, 12/21/22
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Aren't the luxury taxes paid to MLB distributed evenly among all the teams that are under the tax?

If so this is another reason why if not the prefect situation Crane would want to stay under.

And I'm also seeing that the tax increases on a sliding scale based on how many consecutive years you're over. So multiple huge long contracts that aren't staggered are only going to hurt them more as time goes.
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7:49a, 12/21/22
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Why is everyone hating on Cohen? Everyone *****es about owners who aren't willing to spend, who are too cheap, who only care about making money not winning. Is this good for the game? Probably not. But that's on those teams who aren't willing to spend.
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In reply to cc10106 • 7:50a, 12/21/22
cc10106 said:
Looking forward to the Astros beating the Mets in the World Series.
Mets not even making the playoffs.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 7:51a, 12/21/22
Harry Dunne said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Correa has succeeded in becoming A-rod. Despised by every team for his bull*****

The dude is a turd.
for wanting to get paid?

what a jerk!!!
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 7:51a, 12/21/22
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No one's hating on him...We're laughing at him
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 7:52a, 12/21/22
Farmer1906 said:
Why is everyone hating on Cohen? Everyone *****es about owners who aren't willing to spend, who are too cheap, who only care about making money not winning. Is this good for the game? Probably not. But that's on those teams who aren't willing to spend.
I don't believe everyone is "hating" on him. It's more of I cant believe this guy is doing this...What he is doing/spending hasn't really been done before on this level.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 7:53a, 12/21/22

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In reply to Frok • 7:53a, 12/21/22
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Frok said:
How does Cohen have that kind of money?

Is he a crook or a politician?


Hedge fund manager...so both
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 7:54a, 12/21/22
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I'm talking about Cohen. Harry was talking about Correa
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:00a, 12/21/22
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BMX Bandit said:
Harry Dunne said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Correa has succeeded in becoming A-rod. Despised by every team for his bull*****

The dude is a turd.
for wanting to get paid?

what a jerk!!!


Dummy wants to make lots of money. Can you believe it?
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In reply to AustinCountyAg • 8:00a, 12/21/22
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AustinCountyAg said:
Farmer1906 said:
Why is everyone hating on Cohen? Everyone *****es about owners who aren't willing to spend, who are too cheap, who only care about making money not winning. Is this good for the game? Probably not. But that's on those teams who aren't willing to spend.
I don't believe everyone is "hating" on him. It's more of I cant believe this guy is doing this...What he is doing/spending hasn't really been done before on this level.


To farmers point...these owners (at least for the most part) are billionaires. Not all but many could spend if they were willing to supplement the team finances with their personal wealth. Probably 29 teams care about at least breaking even. 1 doesn't seem to care about anything but his real life version of MLB The Show.
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In reply to JDUB08AG • 8:02a, 12/21/22
JDUB08AG said:
I hope this all blows up in the Mets face
This kinda feels like the Mets signed the number one recruiting class of all time. What could go wrong???
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8:04a, 12/21/22
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Getting the best players doesn't always mean you are going to win., but it does improve your chances. I think all the posters jumping to the assumption that they won't be competitive (I.e not making the playoffs) is a bit shortsighted. The games are not played on paper, but on paper as it is today, the Mets are a playoff team.
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8:05a, 12/21/22
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I have zero ill will toward Correa. I do think the Mets owner is out of control, though. It will be fun to laugh at them if they don't get to the series.

12 years is insane when you already have Lindor

Chances both of them finish their contracts with the Mets?
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In reply to iamtheglove • 8:05a, 12/21/22
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iamtheglove said:
JDUB08AG said:
I hope this all blows up in the Mets face
This kinda feels like the Mets signed the number one recruiting class of all time. What could you wrong???


The difference being they are getting known commodities, not unknown kids.
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In reply to AustinCountyAg • 8:05a, 12/21/22
AustinCountyAg said:
Farmer1906 said:
Why is everyone hating on Cohen? Everyone *****es about owners who aren't willing to spend, who are too cheap, who only care about making money not winning. Is this good for the game? Probably not. But that's on those teams who aren't willing to spend.
I don't believe everyone is "hating" on him. It's more of I cant believe this guy is doing this...What he is doing/spending hasn't really been done before on this level.
The difference between someone that was a fan forever and could buy their boyhood team and an owner as a businessman. More power to him.
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8:08a, 12/21/22
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Zips predictions

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-houston-astros/


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As of right now, ZiPS projects the Astros as the second-best team in baseball, just a hair behind the Atlanta Braves. There's still a lot of offseason to go, but I'd be surprised to see that change much. Houston didn't enter the winter needing to reinvent the team, just do some maintenance around a roster that won the World Series.
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8:15a, 12/21/22
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Framber's top age comp is Tom Glavine

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:17a, 12/21/22
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Quote:
The bullpen is very good, but the system sees it just below the elites of the league. ZiPS is really not crazy about the very back of the 'pen guys like Seth Martinez and Blake Taylor
lol

Not elite?

GTFO
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In reply to Nitro Power • 8:19a, 12/21/22
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Nitro Power said:
Mr.Bond said:
From California Love to Back in the New York groove.......



Steve Cohen is an absolute dip****


Yes, most billionaires are dip****s...

He doesn't care if the Mets make money. He was a fan of them since he was little, and he makes enough money in a year, he can cover the payroll and still have money left over. Not sure why you guys are so upset with his spending...


I know the guy is rich, like 16 billion net worth rich, but even with that kind of money I'm not sure a half billion dollar payroll is sustainable. I mean Elon doesn't seem to mind setting 100 billion on fire, but I figured a buttoned down hedge fund guy probably isn't as loose with his money.
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8:22a, 12/21/22
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