I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
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We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
Was looking at Reynolds and thought he might be a CF who transitiions to corner soon, but it looks like 2022 is an outlier.
He's not really slowing down speed-wise, but how often does someone drop 92% points without some kind of crazy injury?
He's not really slowing down speed-wise, but how often does someone drop 92% points without some kind of crazy injury?
EastCoastAgNc said:We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
I'm not saying it's logical, but I assumed we would lose out to a team who who give him a 3 year deal. I get we have depth, but I'd still rather we have JV than not IF the circumstances were right.
JDUB08AG said:EastCoastAgNc said:We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
I'm not saying it's logical, but I assumed we would lose out to a team who who give him a 3 year deal. I get we have depth, but I'd still rather we have JV than not IF the circumstances were right.
Its the same feeling we all had with Correa last year. All the BS then he signs the risky dink deal with the twins we all say the money shouldn't matter, but the guy is soon to retire and barring some terrible tragedy probably has another 40 years or more of life left. If I have certain expectations foe my lifestyle for the rest of my days with my supermodel wife and young kid, I like the idea of $87 million instead of $60 million for the next 2 years too. I've got 2 rings, let me get paid ad much as possible.
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The Porkchop Express said:JDUB08AG said:EastCoastAgNc said:We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
I'm not saying it's logical, but I assumed we would lose out to a team who who give him a 3 year deal. I get we have depth, but I'd still rather we have JV than not IF the circumstances were right.
Its the same feeling we all had with Correa last year. All the BS then he signs the risky dink deal with the twins we all say the money shouldn't matter, but the guy is soon to retire and barring some terrible tragedy probably has another 40 years or more of life left. If I have certain expectations foe my lifestyle for the rest of my days with my supermodel wife and young kid, I like the idea of $87 million instead of $60 million for the next 2 years too. I've got 2 rings, let me get paid ad much as possible.
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Looks like the Texans are too embarrassed to face the press, so they are calling in audibles.
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Does a 3rd year "mutual" option mean they both have to agree to it, or that either side can opt in?
Both have to agree
The FA watchlist. Did I miss anyone?
C
Contreras
OF
Brantley
Benintendi
Bellinger
Conforto
Nimmo
Haniger
INF
Gurriel
Diaz
SP
Verlander
Kluber
RP
??? (a lefty)
C
Contreras
OF
Brantley
Benintendi
Bellinger
Conforto
Nimmo
Haniger
INF
Gurriel
Diaz
SP
Verlander
Kluber
RP
??? (a lefty)
Why wouldn't I be serious? Although my math was off. But if I'm going to be retiring soon and living the rest of my life off my investments, I'd like the option when I have $87 million instead of $70 million.Prosperdick said:The Porkchop Express said:JDUB08AG said:EastCoastAgNc said:We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
I'm not saying it's logical, but I assumed we would lose out to a team who who give him a 3 year deal. I get we have depth, but I'd still rather we have JV than not IF the circumstances were right.
Its the same feeling we all had with Correa last year. All the BS then he signs the risky dink deal with the twins we all say the money shouldn't matter, but the guy is soon to retire and barring some terrible tragedy probably has another 40 years or more of life left. If I have certain expectations foe my lifestyle for the rest of my days with my supermodel wife and young kid, I like the idea of $87 million instead of $60 million for the next 2 years too. I've got 2 rings, let me get paid ad much as possible.
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Prosperdick said:
$43.4M per year...yeah I don't think Crane will go anywhere near that nor should he. What's odd is that would be the team I hate the least out of the Dodgers/Yankees/Mets...I guess time does heal all wounds.
What's great is it's yet another NL East team we would face in the World Series and we would get to feast on World Series Justin.
Basically a 2yr deal. I can't recall too many Mutual Options being used.
Both. And they're rarely used from what I recall.amercer said:
Does a 3rd year "mutual" option mean they both have to agree to it, or that either side can opt in?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18519226/show-mind-games-mutual-options-not-moneymm98 said:Both. And they're rarely used from what I recall.amercer said:
Does a 3rd year "mutual" option mean they both have to agree to it, or that either side can opt in?
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I think JV is posturing on the 3-year deal talk...trying to get his max 2-year deal. Anybody signing him to a 3-year deal is some kind of stupid. (And they are probably stupid for signing him to a $75-$85 million 2-year deal.)The Porkchop Express said:Why wouldn't I be serious? Although my math was off. But if I'm going to be retiring soon and living the rest of my life off my investments, I'd like the option when I have $87 million instead of $70 million.Prosperdick said:The Porkchop Express said:JDUB08AG said:EastCoastAgNc said:We don't need him with our rotation depth, especially at that price / that many years. He's done great things here, but he's a hired assassin. This next contract is his retirement plan, and putting him in NY with the mets pretty much guarantees he won't be a playoff threat.JDUB08AG said:
I will be a bit bummed if JV signs a 2-year deal elsewhere. I get $40M+ per year is definitely high, 2 years vs. 3 years is much more palatable. 3 years is a non-starter for me.
I'm not saying it's logical, but I assumed we would lose out to a team who who give him a 3 year deal. I get we have depth, but I'd still rather we have JV than not IF the circumstances were right.
Its the same feeling we all had with Correa last year. All the BS then he signs the risky dink deal with the twins we all say the money shouldn't matter, but the guy is soon to retire and barring some terrible tragedy probably has another 40 years or more of life left. If I have certain expectations foe my lifestyle for the rest of my days with my supermodel wife and young kid, I like the idea of $87 million instead of $60 million for the next 2 years too. I've got 2 rings, let me get paid ad much as possible.
I say the Astros should not make him an embarrassing offer (2 years....$50-$60 million) and just tell him to have a nice end to his career (i.e. call his bluff). And then quickly spend that money on other guys. Oh wait...they just did.
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Need to hire Click back to analyze.Farmer1906 said:
Was looking at Reynolds and thought he might be a CF who transitiions to corner soon, but it looks like 2022 is an outlier.
He's not really slowing down speed-wise, but how often does someone drop 92% points without some kind of crazy injury?
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Right-hander Justin Verlander and the New York Mets are in agreement on a contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 5, 2022
Verlander to Mets. $86M 2 years. Vesting option 3rd year.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 5, 2022
Our first spring training game is vs. the Mets.
Host them June 19-21
Host them June 19-21
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Justin Verlander’s deal with the Mets is for two years and $86 million, per source. It includes a vesting third-year option. After losing Jacob deGrom, the Mets replace him with the American League Cy Young Award winner, who will be paired atop their rotation with Max Scherzer.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 5, 2022
Well the Astros were never going to pay him that much, especially with a 3rd year. I'm good with that, now let's go and complete our roster and move on.
Sad to see him go, but happy Crane didn't pay that.
43 million...... ****in insane
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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Looks like Hunter Brown aka Verlander 2.0 time to shine
That's a bummer but it just didn't make sense for us... best of luck to him unless he plays the Stros in the World Series
Now go get Contreras
Now go get Contreras
$43 million EACH for 2023 and 2024 to Verlander and Scherzer.Mr.Bond said:
43 million...... ****in insane
$86 million of your yearly payroll for 2 guys who will play 28-32 times a year.
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Sex Panther said:
That's a bummer but it just didn't make sense for us... best of luck to him unless he plays the Stros in the World Series
Now go get Contreras
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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It's going to be odd seeing JV as a met. I'm happy for him, it's just going to be weird
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Now that we have closure, I'm all aboard the Contreras train. Sign Brantley to a team friendly deal and allow him to be a role player as the left handed bat.
This is the way.OKCAg2002 said:
Now that we have closure, I'm all aboard the Contreras train. Sign Brantley to a team friendly deal and allow him to be a role player as the left handed bat.
How nice is it to replace JV with a younger, cheaper version of himself?
Hunter Brown vs. (his idol) Justin Verlander, Mechanics. pic.twitter.com/x8AKa1Q90C
— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) September 6, 2022
Rangers' management reacting to hearing about a team overpaying an aging pitcher with recent injury issues.
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Even though this was expected, it's still sad to see the news. When Scherzer signed his insane contract last year, it was pretty evident that JV would want the same if he had a big year (which he did). And it was pretty obvious that Crane wasn't going to give it to him.
Not worried about the Astros at all though. Looking forward to seeing our next moves.
Not worried about the Astros at all though. Looking forward to seeing our next moves.
This seems like a as good a move as possible for us. Crane held strong without a GM and didn't overpay for JV and JV isn't in the AL or with the Dodgers.