I don't know the whole story but why did Chicago not retain him?
I assume it was a salary dump and they wanna get young.
I assume it was a salary dump and they wanna get young.
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Ag_07 said:
I don't know the whole story but why did Chicago not retain him?
I assume it was a salary dump and they wanna get young.
They have a young guy in Vaugh who's solid with some potential.
With the Abreu signing I could get on board with a buy low bet on Gallo
Yuli back?
Pretty sure Chas can be an everyday CFer. Question is what corner outfielder we can find
Astros are making inquiries on Nimmo.
the Angels know they're just trying for the last wildcardThe Porkchop Express said:
Astros sign former MVP with 6 100-RBI seasons under his belt.
Angels counterpunch with guy who had an 8.59 ERA last year.
not going to catch the 'stros
BadAggie said:
With the Abreu signing I could get on board with a buy low bet on Gallo
Pedro Leon is a better bet short term and long term.
agproducer said:
Astros are making inquiries on Nimmo.
I like Jim Crane as GM
Couple months back but man this is a feel good story
https://www.si.com/mlb/astros//news/report-former-houston-astros-pitcher-mike-fiers-contract-terminated-cpbl-club
https://www.si.com/mlb/astros//news/report-former-houston-astros-pitcher-mike-fiers-contract-terminated-cpbl-club
Did that ****ing snitch ever turn in his WS ring?
Can we stop saying "former Astros Mike Fiers" and call him "former A's Mike Fiers"?
With Abreu, I'd like the Astros to get a LHP for the bullpen, get another utility guy and address OF short term with a stop gap until Leon is ready.
I'm not sure the team needs to be in on Nimmo.
I'm not sure the team needs to be in on Nimmo.
Ag_07 said:
I've beat the drum enough but I'm by no means advocating Yuli be brought back to be a full time player.
I just think he has a role on this team if he decides he's ok with a pay cut and a reduced role.
Certainly not advocating for an everyday role, but with how much Dusty rests guys, and how fragile some of our players tend to be he's a great backup/utility option if had for cheap.
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Ag_07 said:
Maybe it's just an opinion but my opinion is I'll take Yuli over Diaz any day.
The original question was what does Yuli bring that Diaz doesn't and the answer was playoff production. Is that not accurate?
Sometimes it's not all about some deep sabermetric stat created by the nerds. They're great and all but sometimes it's not that complicated.
Agreed, I think Yuli would be good protection against injury risk too
Diaz is absolutely worthless at the plate
How much playoff production are you expecting from a bench player? 5-10 ABs in Oct is why you want to sign him?
Diaz and Yuli had almost identical averages and on base percentages. Diaz had superior power and plays as good or better at first, second, short, third, and OF.
No, I want to sign him to be the guy that can fill in a bit throughout the season on Dusty's rest days or if players get injured. He can certainly play a few positions and he has a well experienced veteran bat. Yuli was pretty damn crucial in the post season, stepping up at the plate with Michael Brantley being out. That kind of insurance is worth it, especially if we have both Brantley/Abreu who are up there in age. I realize Abreu has been a tank so far, but Brantley not so much. It may also take the heat off Brantley from having to play as much as a positional player which reduces his injury risk. You can platoon the two in the regular season.
You can compare Diaz and Yuli this season, one of Yuli's worst ever in the regular season, but it's not a fair comparison. The approach at the plate in the playoffs was night and day difference. I think we can fill in the positions that Yuli doesn't play with one of our younger guys as needed.
Diaz is a terrible at bat, swings at a ton of crap and is easily fooled. Yuli is a professional hitter in comparison and still only a year removed from a batting title. Yuli made $8M last year. I guess the question is, will he sign for $3-4M to run it back as a backup utility player? I think he MIGHT. The guy seems like he loves to play baseball and loves to win championships.
1. AgreeFarmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Ag_07 said:
Maybe it's just an opinion but my opinion is I'll take Yuli over Diaz any day.
The original question was what does Yuli bring that Diaz doesn't and the answer was playoff production. Is that not accurate?
Sometimes it's not all about some deep sabermetric stat created by the nerds. They're great and all but sometimes it's not that complicated.
Agreed, I think Yuli would be good protection against injury risk too
Diaz is absolutely worthless at the plate
How much playoff production are you expecting from a bench player? 5-10 ABs in Oct is why you want to sign him?
Diaz and Yuli had almost identical averages and on base percentages. Diaz had superior power and plays as good or better at first, second, short, third, and OF.
2. He plays no where near as good of 1B but he is more than serviceable at all of those compared to what Yuli would be I believe
I think we can fill in with Dubon and Hensley though and we let them both walk. With signing Abreu I think were wasting 5-10 million signing Yuli
agproducer said:
Astros are making inquiries on Nimmo.
Why?
Can someone tell me why he's better than Chas? I don't see it. The only advantage is that he has a left handed bat and hits for slightly more average (but less power). Maybe marginally better defensively.
I dunno why we need to go after a CF. Chas is good enough given the rest of our lineup and massively underrated by our organization.
ttha_aggie_09 said:original posted by Teddy PerkinsThe Porkchop Express said:
I haven't read the last few pages because of some sad family biz, but has anyone mentioned that the Astros host the White Sox to start the 2023 season?Joe Kelly and Mike Clevingers stupid asses having to sit through the Astros banner raising ceremony on Opening Day 2023 is poetic justice.
— ⚾️ 🔥 🏆🏆 2X World Series Champ Cocky ⚾️🔥🏆🏆 (@astros_dude) November 28, 2022
That biatch Joe Kelly still deserves what's coming to him for the **** he started in 2018. Lucky Bregs didn't whip is ass…10:00 mark
Nimmo's defense leaves something to be desired in CF. It would be very plus in LF and he's a left handed bat.
Man he would make our lineup just absolutely nasty. He would have to bat 7 hole LOL
Man he would make our lineup just absolutely nasty. He would have to bat 7 hole LOL
irish pete ag06 said:
Nimmo's defense leaves something to be desired in CF. It would be very plus in LF and he's a left handed bat.
Man he would make our lineup just absolutely nasty. He would have to bat 7 hole LOL
Brantley is a much better hitter. If Brantley is healthy enough to play we should sign him. I guess it's kind of a risk since we may not know until closer to Spring training, but eh...I think if LF ends up being an issue this year and we pass on Brantley for health reasons it's possible we address it through younger talent or the trade deadline.
You go after a CFer so Yordan can DH 100% of the time.
Insert Nimmo at CF, slide Chas to left, and slide Yordan to DH.
Or yeah Nimmo to LF. Either way it gets Yordan out of LF
Insert Nimmo at CF, slide Chas to left, and slide Yordan to DH.
Or yeah Nimmo to LF. Either way it gets Yordan out of LF
Ag_07 said:
You go after a CFer so Yordan can DH 100% of the time.
Insert Nimmo at CF, slide Chas to left, and slide Yordan to DH.
Where does that fit Brantley? I guess that's my point, I think there's a good chance Brantley comes back. And honestly, Yordan looks absolutely fine in LF most of the time.
Maybe split time Brantley/Yordan in LF/DH
Here is a fun little stat on Abreu
From 2021-22
Temp 65-100 F: 138 wRC+
Temp 0-64: 113 wRC+
Vs NYY: 147 wRC+
Vs RHP: 125 wRC+
Get him out of that cold weather in Chicago and he just get get better. Plus he's a Yankee killer. It'll be fun to eliminate them for the 5th time. While not a lefty, he hits righties just fine. No hole in that match up.
I like bringing in vets that haven't won a title before. The guys seem to rally around them to get them one. The boys fought for Dusty, but also Neris & Mancini.
From 2021-22
Temp 65-100 F: 138 wRC+
Temp 0-64: 113 wRC+
Vs NYY: 147 wRC+
Vs RHP: 125 wRC+
Get him out of that cold weather in Chicago and he just get get better. Plus he's a Yankee killer. It'll be fun to eliminate them for the 5th time. While not a lefty, he hits righties just fine. No hole in that match up.
I like bringing in vets that haven't won a title before. The guys seem to rally around them to get them one. The boys fought for Dusty, but also Neris & Mancini.
Farmer1906 said:
Here is a fun little stat on Abreu
From 2021-22
Temp 65-100 F: 138 wRC+
Temp 0-64: 113 wRC+
Vs NYY: 147 wRC+
Vs RHP: 125 wRC+
Get him out of that cold weather in Chicago and he just get get better. Plus he's a Yankee killer. It'll be fun to eliminate them for the 5th time. While not a lefty, he hits righties just fine. No hole in that match up.
I like bringing in vets that haven't won a title before. The guys seem to rally around them to get them one. The boys fought for Dusty, but also Neris & Mancini.
These guys that have proven themselves as hitters for a long time tend to age well, too. Just look at Nelson Cruz.
He really is a right handed Brantley with more power. That's an amazing addition to the lineup and I can't believe we got him. I really think he's the biggest offensive acquisition to be had in the off season outside of Judge. It's only a 3 year deal and on the unlikely chance it ends badly it's not a huge albatross contract.
Amazing signing IMHO. It probably helps that we won the WS and are competitive year-in-year out to be able to make these signings since we're an attractive team to free agents. The rich keep getting richer.
AggiEE said:irish pete ag06 said:
Nimmo's defense leaves something to be desired in CF. It would be very plus in LF and he's a left handed bat.
Man he would make our lineup just absolutely nasty. He would have to bat 7 hole LOL
Brantley is a much better hitter. If Brantley is healthy enough to play we should sign him. I guess it's kind of a risk since we may not know until closer to Spring training, but eh...I think if LF ends up being an issue this year and we pass on Brantley for health reasons it's possible we address it through younger talent or the trade deadline.
He is not a much better hitter. Nimmo is younger and has clearly passed Brantley. But Nimmo is going to get a Springer lite type deal. I have no interest in paying him. I hope Crane doesn't either. Brantley is going to be a short 1 year deal with an AAV closer to 10 M. Nimmo plays a serviceable CF. I worry Brantley can't give you the 100ish games needed to spell Alvarez in LF. The only way Nimmo makes sense is if he strikes out on the mega deal (5/125) and you sign him to a Correa type deal (3/90 with opt outs).
I agree on Yordan in LF but many others will say he's not that good.
I think the big argument is it saves the wear on the hands and knees.
And yeah Brantley can split time at DH with Yordan. Again main concern is health. We saw how hard it was for young Meyers to come back from shoulder surgery. No guarantee Mike returns to Uncle Mike we're used to.
I think the big argument is it saves the wear on the hands and knees.
And yeah Brantley can split time at DH with Yordan. Again main concern is health. We saw how hard it was for young Meyers to come back from shoulder surgery. No guarantee Mike returns to Uncle Mike we're used to.
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:irish pete ag06 said:
Nimmo's defense leaves something to be desired in CF. It would be very plus in LF and he's a left handed bat.
Man he would make our lineup just absolutely nasty. He would have to bat 7 hole LOL
Brantley is a much better hitter. If Brantley is healthy enough to play we should sign him. I guess it's kind of a risk since we may not know until closer to Spring training, but eh...I think if LF ends up being an issue this year and we pass on Brantley for health reasons it's possible we address it through younger talent or the trade deadline.
He is not a much better hitter. Nimmo is younger and has passed clearly passed Brantley. But Nimmo is going to get a Springer lite type deal. I have no interest in paying him. I hope Crane doesn't either. Brantley is going to be a short 1 year deal with an AAV closer to 10 M. Nimmo, plays a serviceable OF. I worry Brantley can't give you the 100ish games needed to spell Alvarez. The only way Nimmo makes sense is if he strikes out on the mega deal (6/150) and you sign him to a Correa type deal (3/90 with opt outs).
I think there's a lot more consistency to Brantley's stats vs Nimmo, who has only had a few recent years of decent performance and ABs.
Maybe Nimmo continues to improve though since he's younger, but yeah....I don't feel good about signing a player like Nimmo to some kind of Springer-lite contract. Big overpay.
There just isn't much good value in the CF position out there imho. Chas is good enough. Brantley is a cheaper, shorter deal.
Curious about those numbers in his careerFarmer1906 said:
Here is a fun little stat on Abreu
From 2021-22
Temp 65-100 F: 138 wRC+
Temp 0-64: 113 wRC+
Vs NYY: 147 wRC+
Vs RHP: 125 wRC+
Get him out of that cold weather in Chicago and he just get get better. Plus he's a Yankee killer. It'll be fun to eliminate them for the 5th time. While not a lefty, he hits righties just fine. No hole in that match up.
I like bringing in vets that haven't won a title before. The guys seem to rally around them to get them one. The boys fought for Dusty, but also Neris & Mancini.
I agree that's the better course of action.
Let's be clear on Nimmo vs Brantley. Nimmo is a career 130 OPS+ with a 133 OPS+ over the last 3. Brantley is a career 117 OPS+ with a single season (2014) with an OPS+ of 130 or better. Since joining the Astros Brantley has had a very respectable 124 OPS+. They're both good. Nimmo is clearly better tho.
Let's be clear on Nimmo vs Brantley. Nimmo is a career 130 OPS+ with a 133 OPS+ over the last 3. Brantley is a career 117 OPS+ with a single season (2014) with an OPS+ of 130 or better. Since joining the Astros Brantley has had a very respectable 124 OPS+. They're both good. Nimmo is clearly better tho.
astros4545 said:Curious about those numbers in his careerFarmer1906 said:
Here is a fun little stat on Abreu
From 2021-22
Temp 65-100 F: 138 wRC+
Temp 0-64: 113 wRC+
Vs NYY: 147 wRC+
Vs RHP: 125 wRC+
Get him out of that cold weather in Chicago and he just get get better. Plus he's a Yankee killer. It'll be fun to eliminate them for the 5th time. While not a lefty, he hits righties just fine. No hole in that match up.
I like bringing in vets that haven't won a title before. The guys seem to rally around them to get them one. The boys fought for Dusty, but also Neris & Mancini.
The farther you go back, the less relevant they are.
Same categories.
133
132
135
128
Last post of the night.
Here is the first base WAR by team.
Negative & near the bottom of the league.
League Avg was 1.9.
Jose Abreu was 4.2 last year.
Here is the first base WAR by team.
Negative & near the bottom of the league.
League Avg was 1.9.
Jose Abreu was 4.2 last year.
BadAggie said:agproducer said:
Astros are making inquiries on Nimmo.
I like Jim Crane as GM
So far so good. Still wonder what he is going to do about Brantley, Verlander and Yuli. I am worried that Crane is repeating our 06-08 mistake of chasing a World Series via free agency and saddle the team w/ large contracts that won't let us re-sign young talent. See Carlos Lee .. that being said, he has plenty of cap space and right now he hasn't done some crazy 6-8 year contract.BadAggie said:BadAggie said:agproducer said:
Astros are making inquiries on Nimmo.
I like Jim Crane as GM
Based on his opening of the wallet, wonder if Crane last year would have let Correa walk and go with Pena?
What on earth gives you that idea?
Literally none of the deals he's done are long boat anchor contracts. They may be high AAV but they're 2-3 year deals that are off the books quick.
And yes Crane was heavily involved with Correa and let him walk.
I just don't see how you could be worried about him handing out long expensive deals when he has not shown any evidence of doing so.
Literally none of the deals he's done are long boat anchor contracts. They may be high AAV but they're 2-3 year deals that are off the books quick.
And yes Crane was heavily involved with Correa and let him walk.
I just don't see how you could be worried about him handing out long expensive deals when he has not shown any evidence of doing so.
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